New Legislation On Personal Identity & Face Recognition

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Further to the legislation adopted by the UK Government, after taking legal advice form the European High Court, which is that all new cars registered after January 1st 2014 will be installed with speed limiters, specifically the mandatory type models, the latest European dictate will also be adopted which directly impacts on personal identity.

The Mandatory type speed limiters work with cameras mounted on the vehicle which read the road signs dictating the required speed limit. Driving in excess of the speed limit, regardless of the circumstances, is rendered impossible as the car automatically prevents speed incursions.

The technology for reading the speed signs is not new, cameras have been able to 'read' the view ahead for years and in terms of cameras for photography 'face recognition' has been employed in cameras for a long time.

Jakob Spearhead from the Home Office spoke to us in a recent interview:

"Essentially we are specifically interested in ensuring that, so as to maintain a high degree of personal privacy for the population, that only authorised agencies have photographic records of the population. It has been of enormous concern for us over the last 100 years or so that so many individuals possess images which impose on other individual's privacy. Indeed, it has also come to light that there are very concerning ramifications for individuals who create 'self shot' photographic images of themselves, thereby imposing on their own personal privacy. At face value, it may seem incongruous, but the long term social concern that these images create have the effect of making the population very nervous. The Europeon Directive on personal privacy means that all cameras must have face recognition permanently turned on. When a potential image has an individuals face in it, the camera will turn itself off, thereby preventing an instant of personal privacy infringement. Landscape photography is unaffected, however we are looking at the impact on animal privacy so it may be the case that expert opinion deems landscape photography as a high risk animal privacy infringement ."

When challenged that this in itself impacted on the individual's personal freedom and the individual's ability to make a choice Mr Spearhead laughed and added,

"Nooo. No. No. Of course not. It is the removal of choice and all responsibility that in effect frees the individual. We only have the individual's interests and personal safety at heart."

Asked as to how this new legislation would affect the photographic industry Mr Spearhead finished by saying that

"Well, we don't think it will be detrimental, it just means that you won't be able to photograph people. If there is a downturn in sales, then maybe camera manufacturers could look at the purely ornamental markets, designing lovely looking cameras, dummy ones obviously, which could be worn as a fashion accessory. However, we do think that the safety of the individual outweighs any detrimental affect on any business sector"
 
Utter cock & bull.


Oh & this is in the wrong forum. It should be in OOF.
 
Jakobs Cracker of the Home Office said in a recent interview: "Did you know that if you shake your head too fast your face falls off?"
 
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speed limiter of 80 mph would be a good thing. shame they can't fit GPS trackers that automatically issue you with a ticket if you speed lol.
 
Late for work, blame the signs :lol:
 
speed limiter of 80 mph would be a good thing. shame they can't fit GPS trackers that automatically issue you with a ticket if you speed lol.

So.. rightly or wrongly i decide to overtake a car at 80 on a single carriageway... the speed limiter cuts in, and power goes... I hit the other car head on... how many dead??? yeah... great idea!
 
They should use GPS trackers to detect speed and if you go over 80mph, the car should automatically play AC/DC's Highway to Hell on the sound system. :D
 
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They should use GPS trackers to detect speed and if you go over 80mph, the car should automatically play AC/DC's Highway to Hell on the sound system. :D


Much better idea! :lol:



Heather
 
They should use GPS trackers to detect speed and if you go over 80mph, the car should automatically play AC/DC's Highway to Hell on the sound system. :D

It would get a bit boring on the late night drive to Scotland, maybe for each extra 5MPH you could get bonus tracks :thumbs:
 
speed limiter of 80 mph would be a good thing. shame they can't fit GPS trackers that automatically issue you with a ticket if you speed lol.
On a serious note, that is exactly what has been proposed, once the Pan-European satnav system is eventually introduced.

Using the current American-owned system, that can't be done because it isn't accurate enough - drivers could claim that they were actually driving in the field alongside the road, not on the road. The new system will apparently be accurate to within 0.02mm instead of the current 10m, so would take that defence away.

Fortunately for me, I will be dead (or at least too old to drive) by the time that system comes in:)
 
On a serious note, that is exactly what has been proposed, once the Pan-European satnav system is eventually introduced.

Using the current American-owned system, that can't be done because it isn't accurate enough - drivers could claim that they were actually driving in the field alongside the road, not on the road. The new system will apparently be accurate to within 0.02mm instead of the current 10m, so would take that defence away.

Fortunately for me, I will be dead (or at least too old to drive) by the time that system comes in:)

That's got to be a typo Garry? 0.02mm I find to hard to believe it could ever be accurate to within 2 hundredths of a millimetre, metre maybe but even that I'd be seriously doubtful :eek:,
 
That's got to be a typo Garry? 0.02mm I find to hard to believe it could ever be accurate to within 2 hundredths of a millimetre, metre maybe but even that I'd be seriously doubtful :eek:,
I may be mistaken about that, I'm not sure.
From what I read, the Pan-European satnav system will be pretty much the same in terms of features/accuracy as the native American system that we all use now. This system was developed for military use and is accurate to extremely fine limits, but the Americans only licence it for non-military use with an accuracy limitation of 10m - which is more than enough for finding a liferaft in the middle of an ocean, but not enough to put a missile through a window...
 
Sitting here with a Scotch in one hand and scratching my 'nads with the other......

Racking my brain for a urine taking smart comment which just will not come along........

Final action.... stop scratching and pour another shot of Scotland's liquid gold.

Steve
 
HJ, seems to be better than what successive Governments have done for the last fifty odd years. Why oh WHY do we keep on voting the ****-wits into power? Governments should be made up of 10-12 year olds selected at random from around the country.
Couldn't do any worse could they?
 
. Why oh WHY do we keep on voting the ****-wits into power?

That would presumably be because the very clever people such as yourself don't stand for election ;)
 
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That would presumably because the very clever people such as yourself don't stand for election ;)

Maybe, but the selection of random 10-12 year olds to form a goverment might work. Irrespective of the poitics of the shambolic adults currently in "power" I doubt the kids would do any worse!

The mind boggles but a free Hornby train set and daily lemonade deliveries to every household would work. Ring fencing conker harvesting to just boys may prove contentious though.

Hang on.... nothing would change.....

Back to the drawing board....
woul
 
They should use GPS trackers to detect speed and if you go over 80mph, the car should automatically play AC/DC's Highway to Hell on the sound system.

GPS doesn't work like that. It doesn't know where you are. Your SatNav works out where you are relative to the satellite signal.


Steve.
 
GPS doesn't work like that. It doesn't know where you are. Your SatNav works out where you are relative to the satellite signal.


Steve.

From what I've read, the new Pan European satnav system will work exactly like that, and will be a 2-way system, possibly tracking the origin of the signal in the same sort of way that the military use, or the ERB distress signals use.
 
From what I've read, the new Pan European satnav system will work exactly like that, and will be a 2-way system, possibly tracking the origin of the signal in the same sort of way that the military use, or the ERB distress signals use.

Nah, Galileo (the European navigation satellite constellation) is not about that, its about dealing with the ability for the US military (who own GPS) to switch it off or distort it if they feel like it.

Europe thought that the ever increasing commercial applications, including critical infrastructure services, relying on satellite positioning could not be at the mercy of the US of A like that.

As said above, all positioning systems use known satellite positions with a synchronised, highly accurate time clock transmitting low power pulses that a receiver listens to and can triangulate your position.

The satellites don't "track you", you track the satellites!

Anything that has the ability to report its position to another central system is simply sending the resulting coordinates to a base location, usually via mobile data networks.

A system which uses a satellite uplink (which is possible) for the reporting in is possible, but highly expensive - it requires a lot of power and a directional antenna to send it back up - have you ever seen a sat comms box?

Much easier/cheaper to use a pre-paid service from a Europe wide mobile service provider (or multiple ones) like the forthcoming Ecall system (already installed in most new cars made today, compulsory from 2015). Mind you, Ecall doesn't tack you, it just drops a dime on you when you have an accident.
 
Blimey. Meant the post as a small laugh, didn't expect a satnav education. Useful to know though!!
 
Blimey. Meant the post as a small laugh, didn't expect a satnav education. Useful to know though!!

oh. Failed to see anything funny in it.
 
Then don't try an overtake at 80! It's oh so simple.

In theory yes, but what if I overtake at 70 and just need that little boost to pass safely. Surely we have all been there when we misjudged slightly?

What about if the guy overtaking is coming towards me? If his limiter kicks in I face a head on crash!!
 
In theory yes, but what if I overtake at 70 and just need that little boost to pass safely. Surely we have all been there when we misjudged slightly?

Then you'd still be 10mph above the max National Speed limit for that road. Why would you be overtaking?
 
So.. rightly or wrongly i decide to overtake a car at 80 on a single carriageway... the speed limiter cuts in, and power goes... I hit the other car head on... how many dead??? yeah... great idea!

with 80mph being 20mph over the maximum possible speed for a single carriage way road I don't see that as an issue tbh. if you can't get past doing 80mph then you've not got enough time to do it.
 
Then you'd still be 10mph above the max National Speed limit for that road. Why would you be overtaking?

Ok, I forgot the limit but regardless of whether the limit is 40,50 or 60, something that cuts speed when overtaking is dangerous and will cost lives.
 
with 80mph being 20mph over the maximum possible speed for a single carriage way road I don't see that as an issue tbh. if you can't get past doing 80mph then you've not got enough time to do it.

And that's fine for me doing that, but doesn't help if the guy overtaking is coming towards me!!!
 
Ok, I forgot the limit but regardless of whether the limit is 40,50 or 60, something that cuts speed when overtaking is dangerous and will cost lives.


That's a different argument entirely.
 
A limiter would not as such kick it.


The limiter would stop you going past 80, which would then infant mean you cars top speed would be 80mph

Like lorries which are limited to 56mph I've even seen some limited to 50mph, infact a lot of company vans are limited to 70 these days to save fuel.

If your stupid enough to try and over take someone doing the speed limit for that road and you cause an accident due to not getting fast enough then it's your stupid fault for trying.

And before someone says anything I know that doesn't stop anyone hitting you by trying to over take.
 
On following thid thread there is a drift into technical possibilities and theories of what might or could happen if or when the necessary European legislation is ratified.

Given the parlous economic situation perhaps the Germans may need to be quizzed on whether they want to not just bail out the failed economies, support the emerging economies and also fork out for 23 countries to pay for their shares of the infrastructure to manage the technology and policing and and and...

Given the sheer scale of the tax regimes in the UK again another level osf service, road licencing, fuel duty and VAT yet another policing/enforcement charge to deal with indolent drivers when (within hours) the means to thwart the new technology will be available from a "bloke down the pub" for a tenner...

In amongst it all the retards in Parliament will be robbing our spare change bottles for HS2 to launch people from London to Birmingham on a business level high speed rail service that even a train spotter like me cannot, in an electronic world where business exists mainly in the cloud, find any justification for.

The roads are too congested for a level of speeding that does not justify the "wrap" the suggested system will manage and at 3am in the morning who gives a flying ****?

So where is this thread actually going?
 
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On a serious note, that is exactly what has been proposed, once the Pan-European satnav system is eventually introduced.

Using the current American-owned system, that can't be done because it isn't accurate enough - drivers could claim that they were actually driving in the field alongside the road, not on the road. The new system will apparently be accurate to within 0.02mm instead of the current 10m, so would take that defence away.

Fortunately for me, I will be dead (or at least too old to drive) by the time that system comes in:)

The EU already clarified the other night, some think tank put the idea forward, but it isn't being considered as EU policy.

I think it was the Sun Newspaper report that made 1+1 = 666, just becos iz euro madness yeah?

And to add, the new system is only accurate to 3m

The European Geostationary Navigation Overlay Service (EGNOS) increases the accuracy of the Global Positioning System (GPS) by providing positioning accuracy within three metres – GPS alone is only reliable to within 17 metres.
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/magazine/articles/industrial-competitiveness/article_11085_en.htm
 
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