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Seen on Canon Rumours that a new Canon body could be announced on the 18th of October...

They've given it their highest rumour rating - which means that it's very likely...

And it seems like it might be a new member of the 1 family...

The possible spec list looks interesting...

What's our guess for the price body only? If that spec was correct?

:) And who wants one?
 
The 1DS 1V must be about due I'd think.

Around 30mp I'd think. I'd expect they've had time for an upgraded version of the 7D AF system to be incorporated with screen overlays etc. I think the 1 Series is due for a big overhaul and we might just see it with this camera. it's going to be significantly different I reckon, but with a price tag to make a black hole type space in your wallet. :D
 
Flicking through the CanonRumors post and forum threads.. was there not discussion back when the 7D came out of a 2D/3D line? that would fit with the specs listed better than a re-aligning of the 1D/1DS range.
 
Good point.. Would they launch another 'new' model without refreshing or rationalising their existing range first though?
 
it is a 1DV full frame, just has a special note sent to me.
 
What kind of special note :)

1DV seems the popular choice at the moment.....
 
cymruchris said:
Seen on Canon Rumours that a new Canon body could be announced on the 18th of October...
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Keep saying the same rumour every few weeks and your going to get it right at some point. :lol:


Then again there is a Canon event in New York around that date.
 
Canon are definitely up to something. Oct 26 keeps cropping up...
 
what about the next 5D iteration being full frame and with decent focusing from the 7D.
imho canon have nothing to keep up with the Nikon D700 which is truly a jack of all trades at under £2k.
not fully studio worthy like a 20MP+ pro model but very nice and highly versatile
 
Alastair said:
Flicking through the CanonRumors post and forum threads.. was there not discussion back when the 7D came out of a 2D/3D line? that would fit with the specs listed better than a re-aligning of the 1D/1DS range.
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I hope Canon never produce a Canon 3d!!!
 
I bet it is a 1Ds IV, wild speculations aside. For those who have seen D800 rumored specs, I believe, these might be the specs of Ds IV instead. Nikon would never trash D3X with a cheaper body - D4x should come first. I doubt it is 1D V as IV is fairly recent and selling well. But I will be happy to be proved wrong, as long as they announce something I'd want.
 
daugirdas said:
I bet it is a 1Ds IV, wild speculations aside. For those who have seen D800 rumored specs, I believe, these might be the specs of Ds IV instead. Nikon would never trash D3X with a cheaper body - D4x should come first. I doubt it is 1D V as IV is fairly recent and selling well. But I will be happy to be proved wrong, as long as they announce something I'd want.
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Nikon are going to be somewhat limated as to what Sony are offering sensor wise though and the D3x is near the end of its product lifetime anyway.

Could be a bit of desperation to try and get in on some of built up 5D mk3 sales aswell.
 
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Nikon are going to be somewhat limated as to what Sony are offering sensor wise though and the D3x is near the end of its product lifetime anyway.

Could be a bit of desperation to try and get in on some of built up 5D mk3 sales aswell.
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why are they limited, nikons full frame cams have nikons own sensors in.
 
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why are they limited, nikons full frame cams have nikons own sensors in.
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Do they? the rumours I'v seen recently have claimed that the D800 sensor is going to be Sony produced.

Personally I think its a potentially smart move whoevers behind as if Canon doesnt come up with the 5D mk3 soon. Theres alot of built up demand for a body in that class and dispite all the talk about ISO I'd guess megapixels will again win out.

The D3x might end up being outspeced but really is there much demand for an upgrade there? Its out of my league camera wise but alot of what I'v heard on the net seems to suggest owners are still very happy with it. If thats the case then perhaps leaving the D4x for awhile is a good idea until more demand has built up and even better performance can be offered.
 
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I'm not sure I'd connected the new Canon DSLR rumour to the specific 1D spec list, the former does seem likely were as the latter could just be another wish list that happened to appear at the same time.
 
I never see the point of the Canon Rumors site. Seems pointless posting stuff that you predict is not going to happen it's just 6 months of rubbish before one of the 'Rumors' comes true.
I'll will be a little gutted if they replace the 7D seeing as i bought one a couple of months ago for a new project but I knew what was likely to happen going in so.... I won't be to upset.
 
pablo_paul said:
I never see the point of the Canon Rumors site. Seems pointless posting stuff that you predict is not going to happen it's just 6 months of rubbish before one of the 'Rumors' comes true.
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In this case the rumours aren't just on CR. Both of the announcements (Canon and Nikon) are being talked about in the industry as well. Given the Canon shows hosted in London, Amsterdam and the US over the next two weeks, the timing is right as well.
 
Moreorless said:
Do they? the rumours I'v seen recently have claimed that the D800 sensor is going to be Sony produced.

Personally I think its a potentially smart move whoevers behind as if Canon doesnt come up with the 5D mk3 soon. Theres alot of built up demand for a body in that class and dispite all the talk about ISO I'd guess megapixels will again win out.

The D3x might end up being outspeced but really is there much demand for an upgrade there? Its out of my league camera wise but alot of what I'v heard on the net seems to suggest owners are still very happy with it. If thats the case then perhaps leaving the D4x for awhile is a good idea until more demand has built up and even better performance can be offered.
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the only sensor that nikon have in there line up at the moment is the d7000, rumor is that nikon will use the sony sensor in the d800, but who knows, but i cant see it.
 
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pablo_paul said:
I never see the point of the Canon Rumors site. Seems pointless posting stuff that you predict is not going to happen it's just 6 months of rubbish before one of the 'Rumors' comes true.
I'll will be a little gutted if they replace the 7D seeing as i bought one a couple of months ago for a new project but I knew what was likely to happen going in so.... I won't be to upset.
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Me neither. Can anyone point to a launch they actually predicted correctly? I don't think any one of the last few lenses Canon has introduced they even got a sniff of - 70-200L Mk2, 100L macro, all those new Mk2 super-primes, 200-400L x1.4, that fish-eye thing... :shrug:
 
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DizMatt said:
what about the next 5D iteration being full frame and with decent focusing from the 7D.
imho canon have nothing to keep up with the Nikon D700 which is truly a jack of all trades at under £2k.
not fully studio worthy like a 20MP+ pro model but very nice and highly versatile
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Hi Yes the 5D mark 3 would be what I am looking for we will just have to wait and see . will it or won't it:cuckoo:

All the best
 
For a bit of fun on a Friday, these are my predictions:

I think Canon will be releasing a full set of full frame cameras over the next 12 months, with the APS-H disapearing for the line up. I can see the full frame 1D5 coming out with enough time to sell for the Olympics, an all singing all dancing 1DS4 with 40+MP and 4K video (announced in Hollywood).

I can see a 5D3 being released with 30+MP, this will be later in 2012.

I also have a feeling that the much rumoured 5d-lite might not be a DSLR and may be a mirrorless. This would be aimed to compete with the upcoming Fuji X1 and will share the 5D3 sensor.
 
Could be Dave :)

I just think that Canon might be the ones to pick up the mirrorless thing and shake it hard, after Nikon's spineless effort. We know it's the future, sooner or later... :D
 
HoppyUK said:
Could be Dave :)

I just think that Canon might be the ones to pick up the mirrorless thing and shake it hard, after Nikon's spineless effort. We know it's the future, sooner or later... :D
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If, and that is IF, Canon do they will have competition. The rumours are that Fuji are going to bring out a full frame (or near full frame) X-1 interchangable lens camera.
 
DaveKing said:
For a bit of fun on a Friday, these are my predictions:

I think Canon will be releasing a full set of full frame cameras over the next 12 months, with the APS-H disapearing for the line up. I can see the full frame 1D5 coming out with enough time to sell for the Olympics, an all singing all dancing 1DS4 with 40+MP and 4K video (announced in Hollywood).

I can see a 5D3 being released with 30+MP, this will be later in 2012.

I also have a feeling that the much rumoured 5d-lite might not be a DSLR and may be a mirrorless. This would be aimed to compete with the upcoming Fuji X1 and will share the 5D3 sensor.
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This is what I would love to see! I expect the 5D may inherit the 7D autofocus as well.
 
Andy_S_T said:
This is what I would love to see! I expect the 5D may inherit the 7D autofocus as well.
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Would be good if they moved the sensors out wider to cover the full frame rather than just dumping the 7D autofocus system in a 5D3
 
DaveKing said:
If, and that is IF, Canon do they will have competition. The rumours are that Fuji are going to bring out a full frame (or near full frame) X-1 interchangable lens camera.
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That's the dilemma for both Canon and Nikon, and it's a classic. New technology comes along and levels the playing field. The big players either can't or won't adopt it because they have such a large vested interest in the old way - like Canikon's 75% market share of DSLRs between them.

Sony, Samsung, Panasonic and Olympus, and Fuji, don't have this problem. They have seen the rabbit and are already chasing it down with nothing to lose - and they can all run fast and hard and long if the prize is right. If Canon are half-hearted about it, like Nikon have been, in a few years time they will have 75% of nothing.
 
I can't really see the Canon 5D getting a 7D autofocus system, as this would eat into the 1D5 sales. I think the 5D3 will just be a basic refresh as the 5D2 is still selling well.

Regarding the mirrorless I think this is the way the market is heading. I definitely see a Canon Mirrorless, and I think Canon will utilise their DSLR sensors. At the end of the day if a few less 'Rebels' are sold due to a mirrorless, it is better for them to be sold to a Canon Mirrorless system. If the Canon Mirrorless can use EF / EFS lenses it would also be a massive benefit
 
DaveKing said:
I can't really see the Canon 5D getting a 7D autofocus system, as this would eat into the 1D5 sales. I think the 5D3 will just be a basic refresh as the 5D2 is still selling well.

Regarding the mirrorless I think this is the way the market is heading. I definitely see a Canon Mirrorless, and I think Canon will utilise their DSLR sensors. At the end of the day if a few less 'Rebels' are sold due to a mirrorless, it is better for them to be sold to a Canon Mirrorless system. If the Canon Mirrorless can use EF / EFS lenses it would also be a massive benefit
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If Canon falls into the trap of only producing cameras that it wants to sell, as opposed to what the market demands and wants to buy, they'll be in trouble very quickly. I think a 5D3 with the 7D's AF system is a no brainer - or something along those lines to fill that slot.

But there's a bigger game being played with mirrorless. If we accept that this is the type of camera that mainstream consumers will all be buying in say five years time, then the question becomes what steps will Canon take, and when, to get them there? Each step will be critical, very expensive in terms of R&D and new production, and will have very little room for error given how competitive this sector already is.

Edit: Nikon's CE recently went on record as saying their new mirrorless 1-series cameras were the most important launch since entering digital. It might not be an enthusiast's camera, but it's huge for Nikon as a business.
 
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The thing is where do Canon make most of their profit from relative to the R&D required for that product, bulk sales of a perceived new whizzy to Joe Public or the smaller niche professional market.
 
I'm seeing a few rumours now saying its not going to be a DSLR at all so perhaps that explains the low megapixel FF rumours? An 18 megapixel FF mirrorless does seem to make more sense than an 18 megapixel FF 1D.

Seems like a smaller market than crop or m43 unless the price is supprizingly low but I spose theres alot more to be made from secondary lens sales at the higher end.
 
It would make sense if they were to amalgamate the 1DS and the 1D ...same spec sensor but full frame ...Hi Frame rate ... Plus HDVideo... why have two High end bodies....Make it so 1 body could be used in the studio a la the 1DS or on the sports field akin to the 1DMKIV....
 
Tugster said:
It would make sense if they were to amalgamate the 1DS and the 1D ...same spec sensor but full frame ...Hi Frame rate ... Plus HDVideo... why have two High end bodies....Make it so 1 body could be used in the studio a la the 1DS or on the sports field akin to the 1DMKIV....
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If they did that though wouldnt they give it enough megapixels to allow a cropping mode that was at least as good as the 1D mk4? 18 megapixels full frame would be less than the current 16 megapixels cropped to ASPH.
 
Don't know if there is any strenght in the rumours, but if they were aiming for high FPS (between 12 to 14) then perhaps 18 megapixels is the best they could do - be it a bottleneck with the processor or the write speed of current memory cards. A +30 megapixel sensor would be pushing out half a gig a second, which seems beyond current technology.
 
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Rod.F said:
Don't know if there is any strenght in the rumours, but if they were aiming for high FPS (between 12 to 14) then perhaps 18 megapixels is the best they could do - be it a bottleneck with the processor or the write speed of current memory cards. A +30 megapixel sensor would be pushing out half a gig a second, which seems beyond current technology.
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It does seem strange that they'd drop the pixel density though, from what I'v read alot of sports/wildlife photographers depend on the extra reach ASPH gives their tele's.

Perhaps some kind of foveon tech like the SD1 without the dishoniest pixel numbers?
 
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