New Car Day - Volvo C30 T5

looks like a nice car but I am amused that you complained about the cost of running your last car and now you have bought a car that will cost you a lot in parts if it goes wrong, also that exhaust you complained about will cost the same or more on this volvo...

It may be a Ford ST in ladies clothing but parts are still going to be way expensive, you have priced up pads and disks and oil but that's not representastive of real worl running costs.

oh well....

Where did I complaint about the running cost of the Toyota?

I said the cost of replacing the exhaust was uneconomical to the value of the car. The two are totally different thing.

The cost of a Toyota is lower is TO BE EXPECTED. The higher running cost of a Volvo is ALSO TO BE EXPECTED. What is amusing about that? If I come back and complaint about high costs of repair of a Volvo then by all means have a go.
 
Where did I complaint about the running cost of the Toyota?

I said the cost of replacing the exhaust was uneconomical to the value of the car. The two are totally different thing.

The cost of a Toyota is lower is TO BE EXPECTED. The higher running cost of a Volvo is ALSO TO BE EXPECTED. What is amusing about that? If I come back and complaint about high costs of repair of a Volvo then by all means have a go.

Not realy the Yaris would have been worth something if you had got it fixed after you smashed it up.
 
Not realy the Yaris would have been worth something if you had got it fixed after you smashed it up.

I got £2100 in the trade for it...if it had been perfect it's only worth £2400 at trade in. Before you say "you could get more if selling private" well I never intend to sell private because I don't have time for viewing nor want to bother with the hassle of ads and phone calls.

So....do you still think I could get it a new bumper with paint match and labour and VAT for £300?

Ps..."after you smashed it up". This is how it is smashed up it was.

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Well of course you got loads you traded it for a Volvo...
I mean blimey...
 
Well of course you got loads you traded it for a Volvo...
I mean blimey...

What does that even mean.

My intention was to change the car this year regardless. I got good value for the car. Even with hindsight I did the right thing for not fixing it, or claim on insurance.

I'm not sure where you think I've gone wrong here?

I am actually a little confused why you seem so hostile as it all unfolded well, that


1 – I came out with a nice car – LOW mileage, good spec, great condition, well looked after. A car that I wanted, not a random one that is because it's available.

2 – I got good value for my car in a trade in. (Sure it was luck, as they seem to have missed the bumper and exhaust issue completely, the price was agreed on the phone before inspection)

3 – It was all done with minimal hassle and only cost me 1 day in time off work.


As opposed to the potential of


1 – increased insurance premiums for a few years to gain £300

2 – fix it privately, but no way in hell I could do that for £300


This is before the need to replace the exhaust to pass the MOT.


The Volvo also comes with full service, MOT for 12 months and 4 brand new tyres with full tread (the little hairs are still on it). You are going to say that's something you need to do anyway for any car, but I don't have to do any of that now for 12 months. So instead of spending that on the Yaris and then let it go in the summer, meaning spending a potential £1,000 on the Yaris then let it go for £2400 = £1400 profit and use that £1,400 towards a new car, I have £2,100 towards the new car.


Which ever way you look at it, the maths worked in my favour, sure there was an element of luck that the dealer missed the bumper but hindsight is a wonderful thing…and it worked in my favour).


So I asked again, where did I go wrong and how would I have done better?

P.s. The Volvo was probably one of the cheapest car on their books, it was parked alongside a few Porsches, Lambo, the new V8 Mustang, TVR and the like. So I doubt in their mind a Volvo is anything that special.
 
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Loving the C30 and it really pops in that colour!
I think it's high time the fad of Volvo's being for older drivers is shook off. I like most of the volvo range and if i was in a position to have one at the tender age of 36 then I wouldn't think twice..........especially for the previous or new S60.

My brother in law has an S80 diesel and it's a lovely car.

Maybe it's just me that thinks that way though...........after all the second car I bought at the tender age of 19 was a Rover 214SLI and rover definitely had a stigma attached to them :D
 
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Loving the C30 and it really pops in that colour!
I think it's high time the fad of Volvo's being for older drivers is shook off. I like most of the volvo range and if i was in a position to have one at the tender age of 36 then I wouldn't think twice..........especially for the previous or new S60.

My brother in law has an S80 diesel and it's a lovely car.

Maybe it's just me that thinks that way though...........after all the second car I bought at the tender age of 19 was a Rover 214SLI and rover definitely had a stigma attached to them :D

Actually I don't mind that there is this perception of Volvo are all driven by old people, as opposed to all BMW and Audi are all driven by "you know what" :p. Not saying that you are these people if you happen to own one.


My point is that the Volvo label of old, and perhaps slow is fine, I've also noticed I get let out of junction more as well and all these people in their BMW 118i or 320D will just see the back of my exhaust when I put down my foot that's all. :D In fact, that is the attraction of this car. I like the whole sleeper angle. Something that looks normal and with a badge that is associated with slow and driven by old people. I am also fully aware that the C30 T5 is also known as a ST in a nice dress. I've heard that before, and I know they share the same engine, same platform and many parts. But because it doesn't have the same boy racer image associated with it, it also means my insurance isn't that expensive either. It also means some parts will interchangeable with the Ford which should translate to lower running costs.

It's all win win to me.
 
I much prefer the C30 to the Focus. The C30 has style and class and character...
 
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Actually I don't mind that there is this perception of Volvo are all driven by old people, as opposed to all BMW and Audi are all driven by "you know what" :p. Not saying that you are these people if you happen to own one.

Dont own and probably wont own one when SWMBO and I eventually get a car. But if i did there would be no offence taken as not all B&A drivers are t***s just 98% of them :lol:
 
Dont own and probably wont own one when SWMBO and I eventually get a car. But if i did there would be no offence taken as not all B&A drivers are t***s just 98% of them :LOL:

My sister drives a BMW and my dad has an Audi, so I know but in general, people perception of them are not the good kind.
 
So I am also assuming but stand to be corrected you didn't declare the hefty accident damage when trading it in as well...

2 – I got good value for my car in a trade in. (Sure it was luck, as they seem to have missed the bumper and exhaust issue completely, the price was agreed on the phone before inspection)
 
So I am also assuming but stand to be corrected you didn't declare the hefty accident damage when trading it in as well...

2 – I got good value for my car in a trade in. (Sure it was luck, as they seem to have missed the bumper and exhaust issue completely, the price was agreed on the phone before inspection)

Whether declared or not it will fall down to buyer beware, more so if not picked up at inspection stage.
Going by the image of the bumper in this thread you would be hard pushed to notice anything and i guess the same applies to the exhaust.
Short of putting the car on a ramp and inspecting with a fine tooth comb the purchasing company will no doubt always factor in an element of risk.
 
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So I am also assuming but stand to be corrected you didn't declare the hefty accident damage when trading it in as well...

2 – I got good value for my car in a trade in. (Sure it was luck, as they seem to have missed the bumper and exhaust issue completely, the price was agreed on the phone before inspection)

FYI, I had called up, placed the deposit on the car WITHOUT seeing it, we agreed the price of the trade for both cars (his valuation of mine together with the total) SUBJECT TO INSPECTION.


When I got there, he took my keys, I stayed in the office whilst he drove it to the workshop from the parking bay, came back and said nothing. I was there for about 90mins, they had plenty of time to inspect the car as I do with the Volvo.


They are the expert, I am the consumer.


Does that answer your question?
 
Whether declared or not it will fall down to buyer beware, more so if not picked up at inspection stage.
Going by the image of the bumper in this thread you would be hard pushed to notice anything and i guess the same applies to the exhaust.
Short of putting the car on a ramp and inspecting with a fine tooth comb the purchasing company will no doubt always factor in an element of risk.

Humm, that depends, all the times I have traded a car in the standard questions have been asked of "are you aware if the vehicle has been in and accident?" to which you reply Yes or No....

I would be interested if the OP was asked that question and if he replied honestly.

Also when you sign the vehicle over it is usually on the form.
regardless though of that if you take a vehicle in knowing it has a significant problem and do not declare it you are at best morally bankrupt.
 
There were no such questions asked, he simply took my keys and looked, driven the car himself.

It's funny how you keep wanting to attack me or find holes in this debacle. From trying to suggest I somehow lost out financially to now accuse me of morally bankrupt.

I didn't voluntarily declare that sometimes the iPod integration will decide to play the first track on the phone as opposed to last song played either, not declare that there is a scratch on the leather on the gear knob either. At the same time I found a scratch on the rear bumper when I was waxing it too which they didn't declare.

Seriously, what is your problem?
 
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If the company didnt ask the pertinent questions yet inspected the car then to be quite frank its their problem once the deal is done.
 
Humm, that depends, all the times I have traded a car in the standard questions have been asked of "are you aware if the vehicle has been in and accident?" to which you reply Yes or No....

I would be interested if the OP was asked that question and if he replied honestly.

Also when you sign the vehicle over it is usually on the form.
regardless though of that if you take a vehicle in knowing it has a significant problem and do not declare it you are at best morally bankrupt.
Morally bankrupt. Blimey are you in your tutu with pumpkins to go along with all that drama. Jeez.
 
I just knew from the minute you opened the other thread to the end of this one where you were heading and basically congratulations are in order.

You have passed your mistakes on to some poor unsuspecting buyer, probably some poor kid who will borrow up to his left nut to buy that car, only to be told 3 months down the line when he dings it that it is badly damaged from a previously unrepaired and undeclaired accident.

I hope you are quite happy and content in that and thats my final word.

bravo..
 
No. He passed on his old car to a dealer who will have looked at it and decided what they were prepared to give him for it in part exchange against a car they were selling. Even a cursory glance would tell them that the panel gap along the front of the bonnet is iffy and a quick look underneath while it was in their workshop would have shown them the state of the exhaust (if the noise it was making wasn't already a clue [if it was noisy]). The dealer will almost certainly knock it out via auction where any potential buyers should check it out before they take it on - caveat emptor.
 
No. He passed on his old car to a dealer who will have looked at it and decided what they were prepared to give him for it in part exchange against a car they were selling. Even a cursory glance would tell them that the panel gap along the front of the bonnet is iffy and a quick look underneath while it was in their workshop would have shown them the state of the exhaust (if the noise it was making wasn't already a clue [if it was noisy]). The dealer will almost certainly knock it out via auction where any potential buyers should check it out before they take it on - caveat emptor.

The exhaust is a big give away, especially when you first start the car. Which he did, and he drove it to the workshop. Also, the bottom grill is not on properly, you can see that from the photo, he would have seen that too.

I cannot imagine for a single minute the Yaris will stay in their stock alongside Range Rovers, Porsches, Mustang, Lamborghini, TVR and the like.

I just knew from the minute you opened the other thread to the end of this one where you were heading and basically congratulations are in order.

You have passed your mistakes on to some poor unsuspecting buyer, probably some poor kid who will borrow up to his left nut to buy that car, only to be told 3 months down the line when he dings it that it is badly damaged from a previously unrepaired and undeclaired accident.

I hope you are quite happy and content in that and thats my final word.

bravo..

No, the minute you started posting is trying to find the negative in my story. From saying I could save some money by fixing it first, when I proved it to you that I wouldn't have by a long shot (which btw, you could deduct another £400 off the sums I quoted earlier for my insurance excess), you took the morality angle. I am happy to explain to you how it was not economical to repair the car.

Now when I explained that they had 90 mins to inspect the car and they also drove it, you now start to make up some hypothetical about an imaginary "poor kid" buying the car and trying to guilt trip me.
 
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You have passed your mistakes on to some poor unsuspecting buyer, probably some poor kid who will borrow up to his left nut to buy that car, only to be told 3 months down the line when he dings it that it is badly damaged from a previously unrepaired and undeclaired accident.
He had a low speed impact with a deer and reversed into a grass bank yet you write like the OP's Yaris was a CAT D right off!!!!

It must be great to be so perfect :rolleyes:
 
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Humm, that depends, all the times I have traded a car in the standard questions have been asked of "are you aware if the vehicle has been in and accident?" to which you reply Yes or No....
I've traded in all but two of fifteen cars that I have owned, I have never yet been asked if the car has been in an accident. Dealer just looks the car over, possible short test drive and makes his offer.
 
I've traded in fewer cars (most have gone to the scrapyard!) and never been asked about accidents.
 
Maybe the dealer made so much profit on the Volvo he wasn't really interested in what the Yaris was worth! :)
 
Maybe the dealer made so much profit on the Volvo he wasn't really interested in what the Yaris was worth! :)

It would be the 3rd time the car was sold there as the original owner bought it there, took it in for a trade for a Land Rover and the 2nd owner bought it 2 years ago and sold it back. They've made money off the same car 3 times now.
 
Maybe the dealer made so much profit on the Volvo he wasn't really interested in what the Yaris was worth! :)
Possibly; as long as all parties involved in the deal are happy does it actually matter?

I must admit that I'm surprised how this thread has gone, someone shows off their new motor and all some seem to be cable of doing it is the online equivalent of keying it. Most peculiar behaviour.
 
Possibly; as long as all parties involved in the deal are happy does it actually matter?

I must admit that I'm surprised how this thread has gone, someone shows off their new motor and all some seem to be cable of doing it is the online equivalent of keying it. Most peculiar behaviour.

What's that saying again.......oh yeah - "if you have nothing nice to say don't say it"
Too many people on here are happy to p*** on other people's parades

Like you say, if all parties are happy then there is no issue
 
Possibly; as long as all parties involved in the deal are happy does it actually matter?

I must admit that I'm surprised how this thread has gone, someone shows off their new motor and all some seem to be cable of doing it is the online equivalent of keying it. Most peculiar behaviour.


Totally agree. I am sure Raymond will have done his homework on the price of the car he was looking to buy before settling on this one. Dealer may well have contacts to take the part ex off their hands. They will have a profit margin in mind and probably met it or surpassed it. Chances are they had about £2k or more added to the price they paid for the Volvo. As you say if the parties involved are happy that's all that matters.
Raymond has done well. He took on board the advice given on not wasting his time and money on the repairs and has come out of it very well indeed.

People who key cars should be castrated.
 
Cracking car! "Volvos are for old men".....well I'm happy to be an old man at 34 with my V50 D5 R Design.....and as you'll find, everything under that C30, as is the case with my V50, is Focus ST. A prettier, better screwed together car all round, with the benefits of having the underpinnings of an ST Focus.

Had my V50 D5 R Design a year now, yes, it's diesel, yes it's an estate car.....but it's without doubt the best car I've ever had...and I've had all sorts over the years from Ford RS's to big power Imprezas....and with a decent remap, it's amazing how many people are surprised by it, y' know, for "an old mans car"!

Enjoy the new motor, as you will not regret buying a Volvo....I'll be buying another when I get bored of my V50 for sure!
 
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Totally agree. I am sure Raymond will have done his homework on the price of the car he was looking to buy before settling on this one. Dealer may well have contacts to take the part ex off their hands. They will have a profit margin in mind and probably met it or surpassed it. Chances are they had about £2k or more added to the price they paid for the Volvo. As you say if the parties involved are happy that's all that matters.
Raymond has done well. He took on board the advice given on not wasting his time and money on the repairs and has come out of it very well indeed.

People who key cars should be castrated.

Well, we can look at it all now with the benefit of hindsight.


The MOT for the Yaris runs out on 21/04/2016.


I have been looking at C30 for over 3 years on and off, and I know a bit about them, know the platform that they are based on and of any known problems from owners, the car has been out since 2007 so most problems or defects are well known, which there are not many.

I know roughly the current going rate for one, depending on engine, pre-post facelift, age and mileage and kit, private or dealer. I would say mine is at the top end of the bracket (£10,500). Generally even a 11 or 12 plate with say a slower 2.0L Diesel engine (most popular) or the 2.0L Petrol engine goes for between 8-9k, so a T5 (2011) for £10,500 isn't too bad considering it's also R-Design with Geartronic which were like £3,000 option combined. Also, I have not been any facelift C30 T5 on Autotrader right now, and not been for about 10 days. When there was, 90% of them have over 50k in mileage, since they were discontinued since 2013. So one with 16k miles with full dealer stamped history that I can trade my car against was pretty much the perfect scenario given the time constraints that I have, hence the deposit down without even seeing the car in person (but subject to inspection).


I am also away on holiday for the next 10 days so unable to look at cars too.


The Volvo was £10,500, I didn't try to haggle them down from that, just got value for my car. If I had paid cash outright I would have offered £10k flat and that is probably their margin too being £500 over £10k. My car goes for £2900 private on AT in good condition, if one were sold through a dealer, it would probably go for £3500 or £4000. The Yaris has low mileage relatively speaking, 65k on the clock from 08 is much lower than the national average. For all I know the dealer could just replace the bumper (£200 genuine part from Toyota + respray, which they could no doubt do it in-house for cheap) and fix the exhaust by their mechanic then it would be fine. Anyway, that is a lot of speculation on what they could or couldn't do. But from my maths, they have the £500 margin and then another £1400 (£3500-£2100) to fix the car and sell on. That's £1900 margin to play with, without even thinking about the profit on the sale of the Volvo, I would imagine they bought that for £8k or there abouts, and it would be the 3rd time they made money from the same car.


Like I said in the other thread, I purchased the Yaris for £6,500, driven it for 5 years and by all accounts I have had my money's worth from it and if I had to scrap it, part of me wouldn't care that much because £6,500 depreciation in 5 years is low cost of motoring on the grand scheme of things. By that I mean when I gave the guy the keys to check my car out, if he had come back and want to adjust the price of the trade in, I was fully prepared to lower it, in fact, I had pretty much made up my mind to take the Volvo home pretty much no matter what because in part I wanted it (I know it was my best shot at getting a good one) and also I know if I didn't then there is a good chance I could be stuck with the Yaris on my drive SORN for months come 21st April. Basically the closer I get to 21st April, the more desperate I will get to get rid of the Yaris and the lower price I would accept.


Also, on the days leading up to picking up the car from deposit taken to viewing (there was a 5 day gap), I did some more last minute research on what else I could get, looked at BMW, Audi etc, I just could not find a car matches that C30 in spec and condition and mileage.


In terms of the possibility of running into the same problem as my Yaris for rare parts. I researched into that too.


The difference is that my particular model Yaris was not a UK production car, it was sold in this country for 6 months only and they were imported, and I think they sold only about 500 of such model total, hence spare parts needed to be imported from Japan and why they are expensive.


Volvo C30 however is based on the P1 platform that the Focus shared (and another car which escapes me now), along with the fact that the C30 ran from 2007 to 2013 so had 6 years of production and Volvo stocks spare parts in the UK for 15 years after production ends. So I still have 12 years of spare parts of stock left from Volvo. Add to the fact that because of the same Focus platform, they share quite a lot of the parts which means cheaper repair through an indy.


I went into this eyes open, done my initial research way back as far as 2012, kept my eye on the market value, I know what spec are rare and what defects to look out for (foggy headlights is a common one, mine are not), I got a decent deal in a trade in, the dealer had ample time and opportunity to check out my car in the workshop and they had driven it.


So, given that what had happened, would anyone have done anything different? (short of just buy a cheap Civic as a run-around!)
 
Volvo C30 however is based on the P1 platform that the Focus shared (and another car which escapes me now), along with the fact that the C30 ran from 2007 to 2013 so had 6 years of production and Volvo stocks spare parts in the UK for 15 years after production ends. So I still have 12 years of spare parts of stock left from Volvo. Add to the fact that because of the same Focus platform, they share quite a lot of the parts which means cheaper repair through an indy.
Quite a few cars shared the platform.
  • 2003–2008 Mazda Axela/Mazda 3 (BK) (Note: production continued in China through 2013)
  • 2005–2010 Mazda Premacy/Mazda 5 (BK) (and related Ford i-Max)
So like you say, finding parts should never be a problem,
 
Quite a few cars shared the platform.
  • 2003–2008 Mazda Axela/Mazda 3 (BK) (Note: production continued in China through 2013)
  • 2005–2010 Mazda Premacy/Mazda 5 (BK) (and related Ford i-Max)
So like you say, finding parts should never be a problem,

Well, even better! (Though the only spare part I can't find is that god damn parcel shelf lol) mine came with the curtain rail cover which looks like an afterthought.
 
It's a modern version of the Volvo 480
I agree and rather well done. Which in itself was a modern version of the P1800ES, used to love that car....And my Volvo Amazon Estate.
 
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