New Canon to choose. Help needed.

Phil V said:
I don’t know where you’ve got that idea from.
But the weekend hire was ‘free’ when I used it delivery should have been Friday but was Thursday, and collection was Monday. That was a clear 2 days hire with plenty of setup time.
The deposit is returned as soon as all the gear is back with the hirer and checked.
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I got the idea when I checked out at the basket and it said so in the pop up message. Why else would I say it I explained about the pop up message too. Sooo not two days.

"IMPORTANT: This item will be delivered during the first day of hire without our usual back up plan of delivery the day before hire. Please contact customer services before booking if you would like to discuss alternative options."
 
Not worth the risk of using 3rd party batteries imho but as you say you've been using them for years without incident.

Battery accidents
 
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Relkraps said:
I got the idea when I checked out at the basket and it said so in the pop up message. Why else would I say it I explained about the pop up message too. Sooo not two days.

"IMPORTANT: This item will be delivered during the first day of hire without our usual back up plan of delivery the day before hire. Please contact customer services before booking if you would like to discuss alternative options."
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I’ve just gone through the process of booking an R5 for a weekend and was given a Friday delivery date (perhaps due to couriers often charging a premium for Saturdays).
 
Back to the OP - at the present time, I can think of no Canon camera I'd rather own than the R3, bit the R6 is a bit more budget friendly.

Having spent a weekend with an R6, it's utterly brilliant, and better than any other camera I've had my hands on.
 
Relkraps said:
I got the idea when I checked out at the basket and it said so in the pop up message. Why else would I say it I explained about the pop up message too. Sooo not two days.

"IMPORTANT: This item will be delivered during the first day of hire without our usual back up plan of delivery the day before hire. Please contact customer services before booking if you would like to discuss alternative options."
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I get that message too if I book the 2 days hire as Monday and Tuesday. The reason I’m guessing is they can’t deliver on the Sunday and wont deliver on the Friday before as 2 days now becomes 4 days. Change the hire days to Tuesday and Wednesday and the message disappears and you get it delivered the day before the 2 days hire and return the day after.

edit: like you say it’s not applicable to you but it may be important to someone else reading this post in the future.
 
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Phil V said:
I’ve just gone through the process of booking an R5 for a weekend and was given a Friday delivery date (perhaps due to couriers often charging a premium for Saturdays).
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I don't know what to tell you Phil. I can only type the message entitled important. Which I cut and paste here. Its a moot point anyway because I don't want to do it. For the reasons I posted earlier today.
 
Phil V said:
Back to the OP - at the present time, I can think of no Canon camera I'd rather own than the R3, bit the R6 is a bit more budget friendly.

Having spent a weekend with an R6, it's utterly brilliant, and better than any other camera I've had my hands on.
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I'll have a look at the R3. The R6 is a no. I've looked it over and no. The R5 is the closest to the 90d and is also not 'my' budget friendly but if it was better than the 90d I would save and future proof myself if it is going the way people are certain it is. However the R5 falls very short of the 90d. Battery is arse and that's a very big thing when you rely heavily on live view. Which it does and I would too. And there is the overheating issue. It also dumbs down 4k (to UHD). To what I suspect I am pulling from my 750d in an effort to prevent overheating. You can up the quality to I assume true 4k but then it crops it to 1.5 .... for an extra several grand.

Which now brings me to the rumours of the 90d having soft 4k. It kinda does.

It too offers a dumbed down 4k uncropped but cropped at apsc 1.6
You can enable the crop feature in camera to up the quality of the 4k which brings it sharp again. But it crops it further to do so. And people have achieved overheating by filming to 38 minutes of cropped 4k. In UHD - 4 k all but I think 256 pixels no one has managed to overheat it.

Photography wise the R5 is brilliant or would be if it's battery lasted longer than 320 jpgs. It's actually only got one positive that would be good for me and that's 20/21 fps instead of the 90ds 10. The focusing is comparable.

I'll look at the R3 now.
 
The R5 does offer 4K with no crop, I believe? I've got it and don't have a crop? It also has the 8K offering oversampled 4k if you want crazy resolution...

Can you share more don't he 4K from the 750D? I'm intrigued with that, I wonder if it applies to the 760D too..

Battery wise... never really bothered me, I have a bunch of spares but never take more than one or two extra with me. I did a wedding a few weeks back, and I only went through 3 batteries. But this was a hybrid one, with Video and photo for the whole day (11am - 8pm). In perspective - the final wedding video is over 1 hour of 4K.. so you can see how much actual shooting I did!
 
stickytape said:
The R5 does offer 4K with no crop, I believe? I've got it and don't have a crop? It also has the 8K offering oversampled 4k if you want crazy resolution...

Can you share more don't he 4K from the 750D? I'm intrigued with that, I wonder if it applies to the 760D too..

Battery wise... never really bothered me, I have a bunch of spares but never take more than one or two extra with me. I did a wedding a few weeks back, and I only went through 3 batteries. But this was a hybrid one, with Video and photo for the whole day (11am - 8pm). In perspective - the final wedding video is over 1 hour of 4K.. so you can see how much actual shooting I did!
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Yes it does offer 4 K with no crop but apparently... and I'm quoting a reviewer ... a dumbed down version. Slightly less than best. If you want pure 4k apparently you need to in camera crop button. But then it does crop to 1.5. I could be misunderstanding. I'll link the vid.

4k - 750d. - its set to PAL in the system menus for output. I assume because of region. If you go to that and select NTSC and click OK, then go to video quality ... where there wasn't under PAL there is now the option for 3840 x 2160

When you upload that quality to say stock sites it registers as 4k.
 
@Relkraps The R3 will be way over budget. R5 4K in full frame is great, I think the video you found is misleading you. Battery life using live view / lcd is comparable 90D 450 and R5 490. Suggest you get your hands on some examples to try for yourself I doubt you will find the answer in spec sheets or YouTube reviews. And as above they will all be fine for what you want anyway.
 
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TimHughes said:
@Relkraps The R3 will be way over budget. R5 4K in full frame is great, I think the video you found is misleading you. Battery life using live view / lcd is comparable 90D 450 and R5 490. Suggest you get your hands on some examples to try for yourself I doubt you will find the answer in spec sheets or YouTube reviews. And as above they will all be fine for what you want anyway.
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Thank you Tim
 
Relkraps said:
Yes it does offer 4 K with no crop but apparently... and I'm quoting a reviewer ... a dumbed down version. Slightly less than best. If you want pure 4k apparently you need to in camera crop button. But then it does crop to 1.5. I could be misunderstanding. I'll link the vid.

4k - 750d. - its set to PAL in the system menus for output. I assume because of region. If you go to that and select NTSC and click OK, then go to video quality ... where there wasn't under PAL there is now the option for 3840 x 2160

When you upload that quality to say stock sites it registers as 4k.
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Weird. I’ve just checked on my R5 abs 100 percent mo crop on 4K at 60p. Seems to be a very slight one at 8k 30p but.. nothing huge at all.
 
Relkraps said:
I'll have a look at the R3. The R6 is a no. I've looked it over and no. The R5 is the closest to the 90d and is also not 'my' budget friendly but if it was better than the 90d I would save and future proof myself if it is going the way people are certain it is. However the R5 falls very short of the 90d. Battery is arse and that's a very big thing when you rely heavily on live view. Which it does and I would too. And there is the overheating issue. It also dumbs down 4k (to UHD). To what I suspect I am pulling from my 750d in an effort to prevent overheating. You can up the quality to I assume true 4k but then it crops it to 1.5 .... for an extra several grand.

Which now brings me to the rumours of the 90d having soft 4k. It kinda does.

It too offers a dumbed down 4k uncropped but cropped at apsc 1.6
You can enable the crop feature in camera to up the quality of the 4k which brings it sharp again. But it crops it further to do so. And people have achieved overheating by filming to 38 minutes of cropped 4k. In UHD - 4 k all but I think 256 pixels no one has managed to overheat it.

Photography wise the R5 is brilliant or would be if it's battery lasted longer than 320 jpgs. It's actually only got one positive that would be good for me and that's 20/21 fps instead of the 90ds 10. The focusing is comparable.

I'll look at the R3 now.
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Well you’re clearly the expert.
I’ve no idea why you came here to ask a question:)

Because based on some criteria you’re not disclosing, and some non real world understanding of the specs; you’ve become a leading expert on things that us mere mortals couldn’t possibly fathom.
 
stickytape said:
Weird. I’ve just checked on my R5 abs 100 percent mo crop on 4K at 60p. Seems to be a very slight one at 8k 30p but.. nothing huge at all.
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yes, it's full-frame, you can choose to use a crop.
 
TimHughes said:
the video linked by the OP has given him the impression that downsampling is "dumbing down" and it's better to crop to have 1:1 pixels to 4k image.
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You are right, almost. I linked to the video in relation to why the 90d has soft 4k (reported). I have no idea why it is reported to have soft 4k. Which I explain in the OP. And why I came here. Surely some expert would have the answer. Turns out they don't.

While most were trying to flog me mirrorless options instead of answering the question, I was also trying to find reasons elsewhere as to why the 90d produced soft 4k. I found the video I linked to. It explained it to a layman like me, perfectly, but according to you, incorrectly.

However as I understood the video, if I select 4k on the 90d (uncropped) that will give me a soft 4k. ("Dumbed down") his words not mine. I don't know what the 90d outputs in that mode. What version of 4k it outputs. However it is widely reported by reviewers as "soft". Their words not mine. To improve its "quality", "sharpness", "make it less soft", you enable "crop". Their words not mine. When you do this it "improves the 4k image but it still doesn't compare to some of its competitors at the same price point"

Now because I'm an uneducated turnip in the ways of 4k I have to ask. Experts like you guys. Or go and look it up. If a video explains it as dumbing down, when you select 4k without cropping it, I am bound to repeat that back, if asked. Until corrected.

Nicely done Phil btw. Why are they always called "phhhhil".

So I'll repeat what I have seen on a dpreview and various other places, of the 90d - enabling the crop function on the 90d improved the quality. Uncropped it wasn't as good. "Dumbed down" "less good" "soft" "disappointing".

So no you were incorrect I think. Downsampling I believed was enabling the crop on the 90d thereby improving the quality of the 4k it outputs not dumbing it down.

Anyway thank you all for your input and help.

Oh and Phil, please allow me to offer you some wise advice. Please scroll up to your various snippy, puerile comments, highlight them, and press print.

After that walk over to your printer and collect them. Cut them out, very ..... very ..... carefully and then roll them up into little rolls or tubes.

And then with great care and diligence .....



..... post them up your bottom.
 
@Relkraps i was commenting on R5 4K. For the 90D you can always bump up the sharpening in the picture style if you find it a bit soft. Good luck deciding
 
Relkraps said:
I'll have a look at the R3. The R6 is a no. I've looked it over and no. The R5 is the closest to the 90d and is also not 'my' budget friendly but if it was better than the 90d I would save and future proof myself if it is going the way people are certain it is. However the R5 falls very short of the 90d. Battery is arse and that's a very big thing when you rely heavily on live view. Which it does and I would too. And there is the overheating issue. It also dumbs down 4k (to UHD). To what I suspect I am pulling from my 750d in an effort to prevent overheating. You can up the quality to I assume true 4k but then it crops it to 1.5 .... for an extra several grand.

Which now brings me to the rumours of the 90d having soft 4k. It kinda does.

It too offers a dumbed down 4k uncropped but cropped at apsc 1.6
You can enable the crop feature in camera to up the quality of the 4k which brings it sharp again. But it crops it further to do so. And people have achieved overheating by filming to 38 minutes of cropped 4k. In UHD - 4 k all but I think 256 pixels no one has managed to overheat it.

Photography wise the R5 is brilliant or would be if it's battery lasted longer than 320 jpgs. It's actually only got one positive that would be good for me and that's 20/21 fps instead of the 90ds 10. The focusing is comparable.

I'll look at the R3 now.
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I get much much more than 320 jpegs out of my R5 battery in fact shooting raw for wildlife the battery always lasts all day can’t remember the amount of shots I get but it’s many hundreds
Did you say that the 90D and R5 focussing is comparable or have I misread you?
The R5 focus and focus tracking is way better than any DSLR that I’ve owned
The R5 can shoot 4K videos with no issues it’s only 8k that’s an issue
 
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Relkraps said:
You are right, almost. I linked to the video in relation to why the 90d has soft 4k (reported). I have no idea why it is reported to have soft 4k. Which I explain in the OP. And why I came here. Surely some expert would have the answer. Turns out they don't.

While most were trying to flog me mirrorless options instead of answering the question, I was also trying to find reasons elsewhere as to why the 90d produced soft 4k. I found the video I linked to. It explained it to a layman like me, perfectly, but according to you, incorrectly.

However as I understood the video, if I select 4k on the 90d (uncropped) that will give me a soft 4k. ("Dumbed down") his words not mine. I don't know what the 90d outputs in that mode. What version of 4k it outputs. However it is widely reported by reviewers as "soft". Their words not mine. To improve its "quality", "sharpness", "make it less soft", you enable "crop". Their words not mine. When you do this it "improves the 4k image but it still doesn't compare to some of its competitors at the same price point"

Now because I'm an uneducated turnip in the ways of 4k I have to ask. Experts like you guys. Or go and look it up. If a video explains it as dumbing down, when you select 4k without cropping it, I am bound to repeat that back, if asked. Until corrected.

Nicely done Phil btw. Why are they always called "phhhhil".

So I'll repeat what I have seen on a dpreview and various other places, of the 90d - enabling the crop function on the 90d improved the quality. Uncropped it wasn't as good. "Dumbed down" "less good" "soft" "disappointing".

So no you were incorrect I think. Downsampling I believed was enabling the crop on the 90d thereby improving the quality of the 4k it outputs not dumbing it down.

Anyway thank you all for your input and help.

Oh and Phil, please allow me to offer you some wise advice. Please scroll up to your various snippy, puerile comments, highlight them, and press print.

After that walk over to your printer and collect them. Cut them out, very ..... very ..... carefully and then roll them up into little rolls or tubes.

And then with great care and diligence .....



..... post them up your bottom.
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So, 22 posts in and you become really rude and think it is 'wise advice'. :rolleyes:
 
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Relkraps said:
You are right, almost. I linked to the video in relation to why the 90d has soft 4k (reported). I have no idea why it is reported to have soft 4k. Which I explain in the OP. And why I came here. Surely some expert would have the answer. Turns out they don't.

While most were trying to flog me mirrorless options instead of answering the question, I was also trying to find reasons elsewhere as to why the 90d produced soft 4k. I found the video I linked to. It explained it to a layman like me, perfectly, but according to you, incorrectly.

However as I understood the video, if I select 4k on the 90d (uncropped) that will give me a soft 4k. ("Dumbed down") his words not mine. I don't know what the 90d outputs in that mode. What version of 4k it outputs. However it is widely reported by reviewers as "soft". Their words not mine. To improve its "quality", "sharpness", "make it less soft", you enable "crop". Their words not mine. When you do this it "improves the 4k image but it still doesn't compare to some of its competitors at the same price point"

Now because I'm an uneducated turnip in the ways of 4k I have to ask. Experts like you guys. Or go and look it up. If a video explains it as dumbing down, when you select 4k without cropping it, I am bound to repeat that back, if asked. Until corrected.

Nicely done Phil btw. Why are they always called "phhhhil".

So I'll repeat what I have seen on a dpreview and various other places, of the 90d - enabling the crop function on the 90d improved the quality. Uncropped it wasn't as good. "Dumbed down" "less good" "soft" "disappointing".

So no you were incorrect I think. Downsampling I believed was enabling the crop on the 90d thereby improving the quality of the 4k it outputs not dumbing it down.

Anyway thank you all for your input and help.

Oh and Phil, please allow me to offer you some wise advice. Please scroll up to your various snippy, puerile comments, highlight them, and press print.

After that walk over to your printer and collect them. Cut them out, very ..... very ..... carefully and then roll them up into little rolls or tubes.

And then with great care and diligence .....



..... post them up your bottom.
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I think that maybe a record, you joined just over 24 hrs ago, and decided to insult a knowledgeable long standing member
Well done, you just earned yourself 24 hours in the cooler.

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Relkraps, like people called Phil or not this particular one and other people here give advice which is very often considered and spot on.

These days there's a lot of choice and IMO one of the big choices is to go mirrorless or stick with a DSLR. Hopefully you'll take time to consider your own needs and the suggestions and advice here and make a good choice for you.
 
Let's ignore the childish behaviour and try to be helpful.

No one's trying to 'sell' you a mirrorless camera - we're simply pointing out that as far as Canon are concerned DSLR's are redundant technology, the idea that the 90d is better than the R6 is a bit weird.

The difference in usability between mirrorless and DSLR's is genuinely night and day (and I speak as someone who currently owns 6 Canon SLR's and one mirrorless).

Let's bust a couple of your misunderstandings:

Battery life?
The quoted battery life for the R6/R5 assumes it's constantly switched on and used sporadically (they're massively underreported). And the battery life on a DSLR assumes viewfinder usage and 2 second image review - but as you've said, you'll use it in live view constantly, and as the 90d and 6d use almost the same battery - it's a simple maths the battery life with the same usage will be very similar.

AF?
The animal eye AF on the 6d is more suited to your intended use than any DSLR Canon has ever made (possible exception of 1dxIII). They might all use dual pixel AF - but the latest R's are a generation newer than the 90d, 2 generations better than the 5dIV
watch here

Resolution?
Whilst the R6 is only 20mpix, if your intended use is largely video - all that means is that you're throwing away less pixels than you would be from the 90d. The R5 has more pixels, but you don't need them whilst you're shooting video - frankly 20mpix is plenty unless you're cropping heavily.

Macro?
The R6 and R5 do focus stacking in camera

Image stabilisation?
The built in IS means all of a sudden your EF non stabilised lenses become stabilised (very welcome for wildlife and Macro).

Video?
All will give you trouble free 4k video - the R5 starts to become questionable only when shooting 8k

High speed shooting?
The R6 will max out at 20fps if you use the electronic shutter, using the mechanical shutter you're down to 12 fps - whereas the 90d will b down to 7fps if you use live view.

I do hope you can take a few minutes to have a read through this - if not I'm sure it'll be of use to someone else
 
Phil V said:
Let's ignore the childish behaviour and try to be helpful.

No one's trying to 'sell' you a mirrorless camera - we're simply pointing out that as far as Canon are concerned DSLR's are redundant technology, the idea that the 90d is better than the R6 is a bit weird.

The difference in usability between mirrorless and DSLR's is genuinely night and day (and I speak as someone who currently owns 6 Canon SLR's and one mirrorless).

Let's bust a couple of your misunderstandings:

Battery life?
The quoted battery life for the R6/R5 assumes it's constantly switched on and used sporadically (they're massively underreported). And the battery life on a DSLR assumes viewfinder usage and 2 second image review - but as you've said, you'll use it in live view constantly, and as the 90d and 6d use almost the same battery - it's a simple maths the battery life with the same usage will be very similar.

AF?
The animal eye AF on the 6d is more suited to your intended use than any DSLR Canon has ever made (possible exception of 1dxIII). They might all use dual pixel AF - but the latest R's are a generation newer than the 90d, 2 generations better than the 5dIV
watch here

Resolution?
Whilst the R6 is only 20mpix, if your intended use is largely video - all that means is that you're throwing away less pixels than you would be from the 90d. The R5 has more pixels, but you don't need them whilst you're shooting video - frankly 20mpix is plenty unless you're cropping heavily.

Macro?
The R6 and R5 do focus stacking in camera

Image stabilisation?
The built in IS means all of a sudden your EF non stabilised lenses become stabilised (very welcome for wildlife and Macro).

Video?
All will give you trouble free 4k video - the R5 starts to become questionable only when shooting 8k

High speed shooting?
The R6 will max out at 20fps if you use the electronic shutter, using the mechanical shutter you're down to 12 fps - whereas the 90d will b down to 7fps if you use live view.

I do hope you can take a few minutes to have a read through this - if not I'm sure it'll be of use to someone else
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While I agree with all of this, it's a lot of effort for a banned/suspended person. That's some dedication to cause :D
 
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nandbytes said:
While I agree with all of this, it's a lot of effort for a banned/suspended person. That's some dedication to cause :D
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If you read my post it is just 24 hours.

No idea if he'll be doing an Arnie or not, we'll find out soon enough :)
 
nandbytes said:
While I agree with all of this, it's a lot of effort for a banned/suspended person. That's some dedication to cause :D
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These threads are often helpful to others , I couldn’t see any benefit to me replacing my 7D 2 with a canon mirrorless until Phil explained to me on another thread about how well the animal eye focus tracking works on the R5 and 6 .
I took the advice and haven’t looked back and haven’t used my 7D 2 since :)
 
LCPete said:
These threads are often helpful to others , I couldn’t see any benefit to me replacing my 7D 2 with a canon mirrorless until Phil explained to me on another thread about how well the animal eye focus tracking works on the R5 and 6 .
I took the advice and haven’t looked back and haven’t used my 7D 2 since :)
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Off to the classifieds with it!
 
Chipper said:
Off to the classifieds with it!
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I should have done but to be honest it wouldn’t be worth much as the shuttercount is high for what I’d get I may as well keep it :)
 
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