New Canon 1D mkIV to be announced soon? - *NOW OUT*

Its all just speculation... those rumour sites are full of every possible permutation so at least in the end they will have been right... somewhere!
 
purpleclouds said:
As a pro wedding/sports photographer, yes! Weather sealing and AF are absolutely vital, neither of which I don't think the 7D comes anywhere near close to the 1D series. (Haven't tried a 7D for AF, but it's nothing ground breaking from what I've read)
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From Canon website on 7D

"The magnesium alloy body offers weather sealing equivalent to the acclaimed EOS-1N"

And the AF:
19-point cross-type AF system
A newly designed AF sensor with Zone and Spot AF modes gives the photographer new ways to select AF points. All points are cross type with the centre point offering both f/2.8 and f/5.6 sensors.
 
pearce_jj said:
From Canon website on 7D

"The magnesium alloy body offers weather sealing equivalent to the acclaimed EOS-1N"

And the AF:
19-point cross-type AF system
A newly designed AF sensor with Zone and Spot AF modes gives the photographer new ways to select AF points. All points are cross type with the centre point offering both f/2.8 and f/5.6 sensors.
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But then start adding bits on... are grips weather sealed when connected? I do believe the 1N seals are not quite up to the equivalent of a 1D either. It's not uncommon for my 1D to end up with moisture in it, so as you can see, it does go out in some horrendous conditions.

From POTN

Here is a graphic showing the weather seals of the 7D. It is missing quite a few important seals that the 1D-series has.

Weather sealing is red and the green is reinforced body strength.

http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/C...es/sealing.jpg


It's missing seals around the main click wheel and joystick on the back along with missing seals on the shutter button and main control wheel above the shutter button.
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they're quite major seals to be missing...and another...

http://photonotes.org/reviews/1-1N-3-1V/

I looked here and it's listed as "good" not extensive. Honestly everyone seems to be getting sold on the weather sealing of the 7d thinking it is on par with the 1d series cameras because it has weather sealing on par with another of the 1 series (the N)...it's just not.

Apparently the 1n series wasn't even that well sealed in comparison to the 1v/d which places it somewhere around the xxd series in so far as sealing as best I can tell. Meaning it will survive a basic drizzle just fine, but it can not be soaked..period. Sorry but I remain unsold on it until someone gets one drenched.
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Has anyone tried to compare AF performance between a 1D III and a 7D? I should imagine the former being the better..

There is a reason Getty haven't bought in a few hundred 7Ds ;)
 
Sorry dont wish to appear rude but imho this is getting out of hand!!

If you buy a car you do not compare a £15k Ford with a £30K Merc when making your buying decision so why do the exactly that with a camera?

The 7D is aimed at enthusiastic competent amateurs (eg me!!) the 1D at pro's (eg a lot of you guys)

Soorry but felt it had to be said
 
Paul Philpott said:
Sorry dont wish to appear rude but imho this is getting out of hand!!

If you buy a car you do not compare a £15k Ford with a £30K Merc when making your buying decision so why do the exactly that with a camera?

The 7D is aimed at enthusiastic competent amateurs (eg me!!) the 1D at pro's (eg a lot of you guys)

Soorry but felt it had to be said
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Bingo :)
 
cassio said:
* Images ~16MP
* ISO 50-26500
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Those two specs alone would ahve me in the que to buy the first ones available.. I would get on the pre order list straight off.. The added megapixels would mean added crop and and and.. oooer missus :)

cassio said:
* Liveview AF – not up to fast sports use, but very usable otherwise
* Video as with 5D2
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I really dont see the point.. I would like them to get rid of the video and concentrate on the camera.
 
same here, i would hate to see video on a MKIV complete waste of time for a sports shooter. If you want video buy a videocamera
 
Well at least one of the "rumour" websites linked above say video is an paid for option...

I am not saying that fact is true, but it would make sense - certain areas of "pro" photography could get really iffy if your equipment could shoot video, because you don't have the rights to shoot moving pictures, only stills.... premier football or F1 for example...
 
desantnik said:
I am not saying that fact is true, but it would make sense - certain areas of "pro" photography could get really iffy if your equipment could shoot video, because you don't have the rights to shoot moving pictures, only stills.... premier football or F1 for example...
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I did hear a story about one photographer using 5Dmk2 was told to stop as the camera had video capabilities. Not sure how true this is but I have seen people using 5Dmk2 at football league games (not the usual pro's).
 
Regards to an impending Mark 4, I am gald that they have reinvented the focusing system, much like the 1D and 1DS Mark III.

Oh, hang on a minute....:thinking::thinking::thinking::lol:
 
chris321 said:
Edit: Actually thinking about it, if the sensor was sat further back in the camera body, could a larger sensor be used? Or does it not work like that?
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Lens Equation: 1/u + 1/v = 1/f

u= object distance
v= image distance
f= focal length

You are thinking of changing v which would put the image out of focus with the current ef lens range as it would not be able to get the image in focus on the sensor, or am I wrong :geek:
 
It is clear that Canon, and most other manufacturers are drip feeding the new technology, with the release of new bodies every year or less. As someone has already stated, the second hand value quickly depreciates, as new bodies with ' superior features' keep getting released. For most people, it is becoming a similar to buying a new car - unless you have plenty of spare cash, wait a while and pick up a second hand bargain!
 
KIPAX said:
I would like them to get rid of the video and concentrate on the camera.
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Video is here and here to stay so just get use to it :) . As the video is part of the Digic 4 processor they are not going to leave it out nor can the have it as an optional extra, as that would be a software solution which would be hacked.

I can never see why people moan about having Video, if you don't like it then don't use it. I don't use the Basic Mode Zones on my Canon but don't moan about Canon putting them on there in the first place for other to use.



Liam said:
Lens Equation: 1/u + 1/v = 1/f

u= object distance
v= image distance
f= focal length

You are thinking of changing v which would put the image out of focus with the current ef lens range as it would not be able to get the image in focus on the sensor, or am I wrong :geek:
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I don't know but is the v= image distance not different on the 1.6 crop camera, and that why we have the EF-S lenses (Short Back Focus) yet the EF lenses still work on these. Maybe it works the other way too or would we need EF-L lenses (Long Back Focus) :thinking: :)
 
I just hope they hurry up and get them on the shelves if the improvement in the 1d mk 4 is as good as the 7d improvement over the 50d then they should have a winner after 3 weeks with the 7d im impressed with that. The one thing i like about the canon range is you have the 3 different crop factors of sensors 1.6, 1.3 & full frame and this is a bonus that no other maker has ever considered take a 600mm f4 lens and 300mm f4 lens and a 1.4 x convertor you have 300,390,480,600,780,960 all at f4 then 420,546,672,840,1092,1344 at 5.6 i know what some will say you can crop image down but if you are doing prints at A2 & A1 like i do the benfits of 3 bodies in the bag are of a major benefit so come on canon hurry up
Regards
Lost
 
Video is a complete waste of time on a DSLR and as other have mentioned having a PRO body aimed at Sports Togs (And the Canon Pro bodies are aimed at Sports togs) and others wouldn't go down well if it had video. It would cause a major headache with licencing etc. As they keep them separate from stills and video :)

I just can't see where a photographer is going to have any use for video, the grounds are already saturated with video cameras
 
Have they increased the res on the main LCD screen, its damn poor as it is and pretty lazy of Canon if you ask me. I know a lot of pro's that have their fingers firmly crossed that the AF performance is going to be improved drastically, I hope for their sakes Canon have woken up.

Mark
 
hehehe i love this.....

All these tantalising specs, rumours, whisperings in the corridors of canon......

jeeez....you can have all the specs you want but if you cant see a decent picture you may as well be using a pinhole camera made from a bake bean can,LOL

Some of the best images i have ever seen are taken on Old olympus / nikon / canon etc cameras that pre date digital.:lol:

good camera doesnt mean good photographer (or largest p**is) LOL...

Still...that said.. if i had a few millions in the bank id be first in the queue.....:lol::thumbs:
 
gpc1 said:
hehehe i love this.....

All these tantalising specs, rumours, whisperings in the corridors of canon......

jeeez....you can have all the specs you want but if you cant see a decent picture you may as well be using a pinhole camera made from a bake bean can,LOL

Some of the best images i have ever seen are taken on Old olympus / nikon / canon etc cameras that pre date digital.:lol:

good camera doesnt mean good photographer (or largest p**is) LOL...

Still...that said.. if i had a few millions in the bank id be first in the queue.....:lol::thumbs:
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Know what you mean im still selling a lot of work i took with the canon eos 600 hell come to that last month i sold a landscape i took with a zenith 11 back in the seventies. That said i still want the new 1d mk 4 in the bag
Regards
Lost
 
Rovers_Andy said:
Video is a complete waste of time on a DSLR and as other have mentioned having a PRO body aimed at Sports Togs (And the Canon Pro bodies are aimed at Sports togs) and others wouldn't go down well if it had video. It would cause a major headache with licencing etc. As they keep them separate from stills and video :)

I just can't see where a photographer is going to have any use for video, the grounds are already saturated with video cameras
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Most prosumer, and even the lower end pro video cameras use a tiny chip, akin to that of a point and shoot and so without an expensive addition, it isn't possible to obtain the lovely lack of depth of field we experience as photographers.

The 5D2, 7D, 1D4 are all priced lower or (in the case of the 1D4) equally as these systems. Plus it'd be easier to use on a dSLR as it'll have autofocus, auto aperture, better noise handling due to larger chip and so on.

No product can survive with a set client base, as we have seen... hundreds, if not thousands worldwide have switched over to Nikon. Canon needs to replace these customers and if putting a chip capable of 1080p video in their high end dSLR cameras does it, then they will do it. I know at least 3 small film makers who now own and use primarily dSLRs for their video production (all Canon too!).. and a number of others who are looking to change over.

The 1D4 isn't just a sports camera, it is a wildlife camera, a photo journalist camera...to name but a few, and most of those will be able to use the video for one reason or another. I know I'd love to film a kingfisher in action... not something I'm going to be able to do with a DV camera - but something I could easily do with a 1D4 and 300mm lens... Andy Rouse for example - just think of the photos he produces, imagine what he could do with video? Quite easily match some of the BBC NHU stuff, and take photos at the same time. It'll open up an entire other market to these kind of shooters.

I don't really see it being a massive issue with licensing, much in the same way with photos - any misuse discovered and you won't be allowed in a ground countrywide again. Simples! If I were being paid to be shooting photos in a league ground then I wouldn't be fussing around with video... nor wanting to risk breaking the rules!
 
whiteflyer said:
I don't know but is the v= image distance not different on the 1.6 crop camera, and that why we have the EF-S lenses (Short Back Focus) yet the EF lenses still work on these. Maybe it works the other way too or would we need EF-L lenses (Long Back Focus) :thinking: :)
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I thought the EF-S lens's where designed to be used with a smaller sensor so only the center needed to be sharp making them cheaper, as I remember someone modifying one to fit a 5d. I don't think the focusing is different...
 
Rovers_Andy said:
same here, i would hate to see video on a MKIV complete waste of time for a sports shooter. If you want video buy a videocamera
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Yes, but Canon want to sell cameras to other people apart from you. Some people will use the video. Those that don't just have to ignore that button. It's not as if it costs them anything to add it.
 
Some new news here

They may apparently be skipping the IV and going straight to V. Much deliberation as to why in the comments on there. Also possibly shipping at the end of November?

Exciting 24 hours ahead... :D
 
I really hope the new 1D is a D3 beater...I would quite like to switch back to Canon at some stage since I much prefer Canon's lenses.

@KIPAX - So do I...but it's useful to be able to select more than 19. Not everything I photograph is in the centre of the frame...
 
12fps, fricking hell - shutter going at full chat must sound mental!
 
Will believe it when I see it. No more than rumour and conjecture at this point...

However...if it does have excellent video capability, I'll be interested in how video rights holders are going to handle this at major sporting events. We're already seeing media organisations like the BBC seamlessly interspersing their written reports with video (see today's reporting of Button's F1 world championship), and as more and more people use the internet as their primary source for news/sports, small video clips will become just as commonplace as stills photographs. I also know that BBC reporters are being trained in the use of video as well as stills, and there's bound to be more than just the BBC doing this.

Perhaps it and the D3S will result in a rewrite of the way moving image rights are handled.
 
One day and I doubt it will be in my lifetime. Newspapers will be a thing of the past and electronic news ect with video will be the norm.. On phones, internet whatever is being used to view information.. Newspapers will cease to exist..

Maybe this is the start or its already started slowly but surely?
 
Is it worth copying this into the other thread guys? I don't mind either way but there's no point in having two rumours threads :p
 
dod said:
Is it worth copying this into the other thread guys? I don't mind either way but there's no point in having two rumours threads :p
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Yes may as well :) It'll be announced tomorrow though (apparently) so await a plethora of new threads :lol:
 
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Whatever it is, I won't be buying in as early as I did last time even though I can't really say I've had any focus issues with my MkIII. The main thing I'm wanting to see is what the high ISO performance is like.
 
Another unreliable update....

CR1 Update on ISO
Native ISO 25,600 (boost to 102,400)


Full Frame? [CR1]
Another person has written in saying it will be full frame. This is the only person that has said it will be. Everyone else is saying APS-H
Cost? $4999 USD
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Getting fed up of reading but it is quite intriguing with all the possibilities..
 
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