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it'll be interesting to see what the price points are and if the output is as good as single shot cam's. Can you imagine dealing with a raw file with all the light information that cam must have stored? Certainly seems like a huge step forward in some areas of photography, although it seems more appropriate for the consumer P+S market.
 
realspeed said:
Sounds iffy to me.

Realspeed
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To be honest yes. Underneath is a quote from the 2nd page of the thesis which is repeated 3 times on the page, each requiring a signature. The bold is my emphasis.

I certify that I have read this dissertation and that, in my opinion, it is fully adequate in scope and quality as a dissertation for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy.
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Now that doesn't inspire me with confidence, and I didn't bother reading beyond that point.

Stranger things have, nevertheless, happened.
 
Slaphead said:
To be honest yes. Underneath is a quote from the 2nd page of the thesis which is repeated 3 times on the page, each requiring a signature. The bold is my emphasis.



Now that doesn't inspire me with confidence, and I didn't bother reading beyond that point.

Stranger things have, nevertheless, happened.
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Isn't Doctor of Philosophy what PhD stands for, and what all doctorate students end up with regardless of the area they are researching?
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
the fact that it is good enough for a PhD thesis doesn't inspire you with confidence :thinking:

what would?
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you've not read my thesis then lol
 
My mistake, I read it as a PhD in philosophy completely missing the PhD aspect - ignore previous post
 
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Isn't Doctor of Philosophy what PhD stands for, and what all doctorate students end up with regardless of the area they are researching?
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Pretty much, yes. The usual progression is from Bachelors to Masters, and then to doctorate. Medical doctorates in the UK and some Commonwealth countries are referred to as the MD, which is equivalent to a PhD, but this is also the basic qualifying degree in the USA. A PhD is also referred to as a DPhil at some universities AFAIK.
 
MartynK said:
Pretty much, yes. The usual progression is from Bachelors to Masters, and then to doctorate. Medical doctorates in the UK and some Commonwealth countries are referred to as the MD, which is equivalent to a PhD, but this is also the basic qualifying degree in the USA. A PhD is also referred to as a DPhil at some universities AFAIK.
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medics in the uk only get a bachelor degree - they name themselves after their job lol
 
I see the brainy people have taken this off topic :)
 
POAH said:
medics in the uk only get a bachelor degree - they name themselves after their job lol
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Yes, I know. Most medical practitioners in the UK have MB ChB degrees, and "Doctor" is a courtesy title, unless they have an MD. That's a postgraduate qualification and makes them a "real" doctor!
 
Well that is most of the C&C on here gone out the window once people get their shots in focus :D
 
More technology enabling people taking mediocre photographs to think that they are a little better than they really are, but ultimately they are just mediocre.

But hey, it lets you boast about your latest feature rather than concentrating on learning how to take a good photo.

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk
 
MartynK said:
Pretty much, yes. The usual progression is from Bachelors to Masters, and then to doctorate. Medical doctorates in the UK and some Commonwealth countries are referred to as the MD, which is equivalent to a PhD, but this is also the basic qualifying degree in the USA. A PhD is also referred to as a DPhil at some universities AFAIK.
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I think that sums it up nicely so no need to add anymore ;-)
 
riddell said:
More technology enabling people taking mediocre photographs to think that they are a little better than they really are, but ultimately they are just mediocre.

But hey, it lets you boast about your latest feature rather than concentrating on learning how to take a good photo.

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk
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:thinking: I take it your pictures stunned many an expert when you started off then. No smilies in your comment so you must have been serious. I wonder if you have ever stopped to think that whilst their are people that produce mediocre photographs they may be mediocre for various reasons. Difficulty in learning, disability, basic equipment to name a few. But to them they see their pictures in a different light and as long as they get some enjoyment from it then they are doing you or anybody else for that matter no harm at all. Imo it is attitudes like this that make people wary of joining photography clubs. Just thought of one more reason, perhaps they could not afford to go to the " Up my own arse k******d school of photography " :shrug:
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
the fact that it is good enough for a PhD thesis doesn't inspire you with confidence :thinking:

what would?
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No. I've done a PhD and seen plenty of 'applied' projects fail to produce any useful 'product'. That doesn't mean the research done isn't valuable, knowing what doesn't work and unexpected findings during the course of a project can be useful. The work done may become the groundwork for bigger things, but a PhD student rarely has the resources needed for a big applied project. In my case I had 10k a year to spend on materials etc. I was working on gene improvement that had been tried by researchers with 5 million a year budget and 4 people working on it full time plus support staff. After 4 years their project was abandoned with no success. I was doing things a little differently and might have got lucky, but I was ****ing in the wind LOL.
 
MartynK said:
Yes, I know. Most medical practitioners in the UK have MB ChB degrees, and "Doctor" is a courtesy title, unless they have an MD. That's a postgraduate qualification and makes them a "real" doctor!
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Yes, most medics aren't real doctors, just ordinary medical graduates. That gives plenty of confidence when visiting a GP, doesn't it?
 
Instead of shoot first and focus later, what's wrong with focusing first anyway? Seems to have worked quite well for the last 150-odd years. Or shoot with everything sharp and then de-focus in post processing.

Maybe there's a scientific application for this, but I can't think of anything that might interest us here. And it's only a pipedream ATM anyway... :thinking:
 
In theory I love the idea but I suspect it's a bit of a pipe dream. I know they are only flash animations of the real thing but all the demo photos only have 3 or 4 planes of focus not really infinite
 
As far as I can see, their diagram of "light fields" is simply how a lens captures the light from an object and focusses on the film/sensor. Their images show a VERY narrow dof. If they were really offering something new, then from their spiel I would have expected the images to be ultra sharp from front to back.
 
Hiya All,

Lets bring tohis back to topic. Would agree with Someller, the demo pictures I have seen seem to allow you to move the focus backward and forward or along the width of a picture, you choose whats in focus and then the rest goes out of focus. This is really great technology if you get the foucs slightly wrong but the overal sense of the picture right. One issue though that hasn't been brought up yet though is that this camera - and there is little info about whether its a point and shoot, fixed lens,DSL needs special lenses etc. could be of real interest to those of us who cannot focus a camera accurately for love nor money because we are visually impaired this might be the greatest thing since sliced bread - well ok perhaps since the Minolta 7000 hit the shelves!

It would be good to know a little more about the photography side of this camera rather than the light field technology, but I suppose most here would say that as most here enjoy photography and not so interested in the science!!!!!

Chris
 
I'll believe it when i see it, with no pictures of the camera itself (assuming it is a camera and not an app or something) and crappy small photos that could have been mocked up, it doesn't inspire confidence. The volleyball one looks odd, I've never seen a chain link fence in a gym before, also all the sample shots are square images which kind of makes me think it could be some kind of iPhone app as well.
 
:bonk: I've just managed to get to grips with modern technology....

But this sounds far too complicated :bonk::thinking:
 
Having had a look through the thesis, the prototype was a modified contax 645 partly because of its size and the ability to add in the mod between the back of the lens and the sensor and partly because of the number of the size of the sensor in it, suggesting its possible to modify exisiting designs of camera. Stnad to be correcte there though.

I don't want to dumb down the skil of photographers but this would be a great boom to sports photographers and also wildlife photographers where the focus point can change very quickly, but, you are still left with the question what will the first camera actually look like in terms of people seriously involved in photography?
 
CaptainPenguin said:
Even if its feasible it dumbs down photography in that you wont even need the skill to focus before getting a decent shot
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AF, Auto exp, IS, TTL flash...........
Not having a go at you, but focusing isn't the only skill to photography...
Everything apart from that which seperates the men from the boys - the ability to 'SEE' a shot, composition etc etc is automated.
Once we get mind control, so that the camera 'Knows' what we are trying to focus on, seems to be the ultimate quest - heaven forbid!!!
 
and how much post processing can be achieved with an "image" that moves. How hard would it be to convert it to simple B&W for example let alone what can be achieved with current photos
 
Howi said:
AF, Auto exp, IS, TTL flash...........
Not having a go at you, but focusing isn't the only skill to photography...
Everything apart from that which seperates the men from the boys - the ability to 'SEE' a shot, composition etc etc is automated.
Once we get mind control, so that the camera 'Knows' what we are trying to focus on, seems to be the ultimate quest - heaven forbid!!!
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I appreciate that but what I mean with focusing id knowing where to focus how to use the apertures to vary dof etc as you say the ability to see the shot,i doubt that any microprocessor can do that
 
Did the press release come out in early April? Like the first day of the month?

I remember seeing an x-ray filter once, it enabled photographers to photograph through womens clothing. There was a rush of orders......before people realised the timing of the release.

On the bike mag I have worked for since it began, we did one one year saying the TT was cancelled, but Anglesey Tourist Board had stepped in at the last minute and the races were going to be on the road round the coastline of Anglesey instead....that caused mass panic booking of campsites and B&Bs,before people realised.
 
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