New 5D MK3 revealed

Uneducated_Rick said:
have you found any negative reviews or people complaining about getting stung for VAT/duty, or are you worried because his business model is different to everyone else's?
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It's not Kerso's business model that's at issue per-se. The criteria for buying work tools, and the subsequent hoops that you have to jump through for tax and insurance (let alone warranty) reasons, mean that every thing has to be 100% above board. It's a very different matter if you are buying kit for personal use.

Edtog is asking some fairly reasonable questions.
 
Personally I wouldn't have any qualms buying anything from Ian for personal use, were I to do so for business use (and was VAT-registered) I'd certainly, for peace of mind, clarify the situation with him. As others have said, he's approachable and uprfront so I'm fairly confident everything is 100% kosher.

In any case, I'd also question whether Canon would would honour the warranties on his items if he wasn't totally legal, and as we know from previous posts here on TP, they do...
 
That's all I see as well. I don't think Ed is trying to say that he is dishonest or anything of the sort, it more that there may be unforeseen consequences that could have impact on him.
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
have you found any negative reviews or people complaining about getting stung for VAT/duty, or are you worried because his business model is different to everyone else's?
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Having a shop in Ebay is one thing, but once you set up legitimate website to sell, there are rules to follow, and by the sound of it, he hasn't done that. I don't think Edtog is bashing, just pointing the facts out. As he says it is potentially thousands of £'s people could be spending with Kerso, and with spending any money the phrase to keep in mind is 'buyer beware'.

I've bought from Kerso before without any problems, and would recommend him to others for very cheap prices, :thumbs: but welcome anyone drawing people's attention to all the facts before anyone spends any money. I followed peoples positive recommendations from here and made my choice to spend money with him. :)
 
I see this thread has gone off on something of a tangent again.

Here's an interesting comparison between high ISO RAW noise with the D800. Looks like when resized to the same they are roughly equal in terms of noise, the D800 possibly slightly better, despite all the extra pixels.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1160816

Still don't think I can be bothered to switch seeing as I have no need for 36MP. I just wish Canon would make their prices a bit more sensible in comparison to the D800.
 
It will come in at around £2500 in the end, just wait a few months.
 
grum said:
I see this thread has gone off on something of a tangent again.

Here's an interesting comparison between high ISO RAW noise with the D800. Looks like when resized to the same they are roughly equal in terms of noise, the D800 possibly slightly better, despite all the extra pixels.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1160816

Still don't think I can be bothered to switch seeing as I have no need for 36MP. I just wish Canon would make their prices a bit more sensible in comparison to the D800.
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ISO 25600 is a pretty extreme ISO, even by these cameras standards.
There is no way it is ever meant for pixel peeping.
However, I do kind of agree with their conclusion...
So to summarize:
- D800 has 63% more pixels
- D800 has at least 2 stops more dynamic range at ISO 100
- D800 looks equal or better than the 5D3 at ISO 25600
Sooo... exactly what did Canon gain by staying at 22 megapixels?

For me the interesting ISO is 3200.
The D800 has pronounced noise in the mid-tones that is not going to go away with resizing.
Whereas the 5DIII is completely clean.
I think that's far more telling for how these cameras will be used.
Full set of images and camera comparator are over at http://www.imaging-resource.com/

Also - I was glad to see the 5dIII has kept the rich texture in the lighter tones; this is one of the things that makes 5dII landscapes look so good.
Check out the white bundle of wool; the 5dIII has miles more texture than the D800.

Although I will admit the D800's detail on the circular dial is simply breathtaking.
Gotta hand it to Nikon, respect where it is due......
 
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The thing that troubles me with that test over on POTN is the admission "5D3 exposure is much longer than D800. We will ignore because testers admitted that light source changes between tests."

You can't ignore that as it has significant potential to increase the noise present in the image. The lighting should have been controlled.

Also, the presentation of test images between the two cameras would indicate that D800 image isn't a 1:1 crop as the subject appears either the same size or close to the same size. 1:1 on the Nikon should look bigger due to the extra pixel count. For the purposes of an object space comparison this is sort of valid, but for a comparison of sensor level noise it strikes me as being somewhat bogus as some of the apparent noise will have been binned off in the scaling.
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
The thing that troubles me with that test over on POTN is the admission "5D3 exposure is much longer than D800. We will ignore because testers admitted that light source changes between tests."

You can't ignore that as it has significant potential to increase the noise present in the image. The lighting should have been controlled.

Also, the presentation of test images between the two cameras would indicate that D800 image isn't a 1:1 crop as the subject appears either the same size or close to the same size. 1:1 on the Nikon should look bigger due to the extra pixel count. For the purposes of an object space comparison this is sort of valid, but for a comparison of sensor level noise it strikes me as being somewhat bogus as some of the apparent noise will have been binned off in the scaling.
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I agree about the light source! It's pretty poor practice to compare ISO performance in a studio environment and not control the light properly.

But the 1:1 crop thing doesn't seem right to me. Yes you could compare them at 100%, but then you'd be comparing images at different magnifications, you'd be printing the D800's image noticeably larger if you're relating it to the real world. In practice, the D800's images are always going to be viewed at smaller percentages when used for the same thing as the 5DIII, so it makes sense to compare in this way.
 
Was thinking the same thing, if you want say a 10x8" print then whether it's the MkIII or the D800 they'll both be reduced to that equal size accordingly so how they both perform at that equal size is what's important I guess?
 
gman said:
Was thinking the same thing, if you want say a 10x8" print then whether it's the MkIII or the D800 they'll both be reduced to that equal size accordingly so how they both perform at that equal size is what's important I guess?
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I agree, but the test was framed in a sensor noise perspective. What ultimately matters is what it looks like when the whole image is viewed either on screen or in print.

Bottom line is, the mkIII and the D800 both look exceedingly capable at producing great images. I don't think there is enough of a performance difference either way to make many people jump systems though.

In my view, the mkIII has answered most, if not all, of the short comings of the mkII and then some. Let's just hope that the street price settles down to something sensible.
 
danmon_81 said:
currently i'm 90% leaning towards a mark ii and some new glass as my foray into FF....unless price drops closer to 2k.
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Yup, I'll be picking up the next used mk II I see at a decent price for this years weddings, then maybe by next yer the mk III might be more sensibly priced.
 
Dexy101 said:
No it doesnt.
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I want it to be 2K or less! But I accept that it will be a while before it is.

To be honest, I don't need one at all. I get along fine with my mkII and strangely enough it hasn't stopped working since the mkIII has been announced.

However, I'm a "shiny things make it better" sort of guy and sort of want one anyway. Sad I know but isn't that sort of what hobbies are about?
 
@ChrisJ_SLH Fully understand that. I've never found that my MKII hasn't been able to do something I've needed it to & can't justify fancying myself with a MKIII. I think part of it is curiosity? I've not come across any faults with the MKII so I'm wondering just how amazing this MKIII is to work with. Not that I'll even be considering upgrading cameras over the coming years, I need glass & funds are rather sparse!
 
If you want a cheaper price, talk your significant other into going to Hong Kong for your next holiday ;) - the Canon showroom has it priced at around £2.2k and I imagine the shops will do it a little cheaper and with memory cards and spare batteries thrown in.
 
Bunch of articles on the new features on Canon USA

here
 
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Rod.F said:
If you want a cheaper price, talk your significant other into going to Hong Kong for your next holiday ;) - the Canon showroom has it priced at around £2.2k and I imagine the shops will do it a little cheaper and with memory cards and spare batteries thrown in.
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You're better off going further south. It's closer to £2,000 in Malaysia.
 
in HK its 2200!! that is a bargain of the century! but no worldwide warranty! Say if something does break, how much would it cost to repair?
 
jonneymendoza said:
in HK its 2200!! that is a bargain of the century! but no worldwide warranty! Say if something does break, how much would it cost to repair?
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£2,200 in HK equals £2,800 here once you've imported it legally.

Is losing your warranty really worth 5% of the value of your camera; ie £200?
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
I agree, but the test was framed in a sensor noise perspective. What ultimately matters is what it looks like when the whole image is viewed either on screen or in print.

Bottom line is, the mkIII and the D800 both look exceedingly capable at producing great images. I don't think there is enough of a performance difference either way to make many people jump systems though.

In my view, the mkIII has answered most, if not all, of the short comings of the mkII and then some. Let's just hope that the street price settles down to something sensible.
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Agreed. For me the price difference isn't that important because anyone buying a D800 will soon find themselves needing a serious PC upgrade. I know mine isn't quick enough and it's got 8gigs and a quad core.
 
Interesting pricing. They say it's not to replace the mk2, but to fill a gap between the mk2 and the 1ds range. Should have called it something different then? That a side, I'd probably still go for another mk2, as the differences are not that great (for me, anyway). I don't need extra speed or the few more pixels it offers (well, not at that increase in price anyway). In fact, I'd probably consider a used mk3 1ds for a similar price??
 
Dayve said:
Interesting pricing. They say it's not to replace the mk2, but to fill a gap between the mk2 and the 1ds range. Should have called it something different then? That a side, I'd probably still go for another mk2, as the differences are not that great (for me, anyway). I don't need extra speed or the few more pixels it offers (well, not at that increase in price anyway). In fact, I'd probably consider a used mk3 1ds for a similar price??
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"for the time being" were the words I read.

Note that the new EOS 5D MkIII is an addition to the Canon EOS lineup. For the time being, the EOS 5D MkII will not be discontinued, but the price listed will be reduced.
 
pmac said:
jessops are n ow showing they have them ready for delivery...but only the 24-105 kits at £3700 :O
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Gave them a call to find out and after some umming and Ahhing got told well they are not actually in stock its an error on the website. (Seems strange as its still on there several hours later and still taking orders), suppose its a good way to generate some funds then try and convince the customer to wait a while for delivery!!!
 
pmac said:
jessops are n ow showing they have them ready for delivery...but only the 24-105 kits at £3700 :O
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Hum that's a shame.
The 24-105 is £900 to buy normally (i.e. say WEX price). I thought they were bundling it for an extra £500, which would have meant you could have bought both and flogged the lens for say £700 - everyones happy.
 
501cards said:
Gave them a call to find out and after some umming and Ahhing got told well they are not actually in stock its an error on the website. (Seems strange as its still on there several hours later and still taking orders), suppose its a good way to generate some funds then try and convince the customer to wait a while for delivery!!!
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another great show from jessops....
theres got to be something ilegal in doing that though,especialy if they charge for it and cant deliver.

i realy dont trust them at all after being sold display iteams as new when i spent over £3000 with them.
 
Byker28i said:
Hum that's a shame.
The 24-105 is £900 to buy normally (i.e. say WEX price). I thought they were bundling it for an extra £500, which would have meant you could have bought both and flogged the lens for say £700 - everyones happy.
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Nope, it's a kit and therefore the 24-105 is a WB version. Exactly the same lens, but £150-200 or so cheaper as a stand alone retail unit.
 
Byker28i said:
Hum that's a shame.
The 24-105 is £900 to buy normally (i.e. say WEX price). I thought they were bundling it for an extra £500, which would have meant you could have bought both and flogged the lens for say £700 - everyones happy.
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The 24-105's are normally £800 not £900 and the prices for mint s/h are sometimes as low as £550 so no way will you find a buyer for the lens at £700, not on here or AV forums anyway.
 
amazon have the D800 for £2099

for me who is currently not tied into a system why would I spend an extra £900 on the 5D3. the cost of the 5D3 is going to have to come down a heck of a lot in price
 
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