New 5D MK3 revealed
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It will be at Focus, CPS have confirmed this, but whether there'll be any for us to actually play with I'm not sure.
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This looked to be the perfect camera... until I noticed you can not change the focusing screen any more.
That's killed it dead for me, if you use fast primes and have never changed to the super matt focusing screen, you're missing it. It's amazing.
Hmm, 5D2 for my primes, 5D3 for my 2.8 zooms. That's probably how I'll roll.
That's killed it dead for me, if you use fast primes and have never changed to the super matt focusing screen, you're missing it. It's amazing.
Hmm, 5D2 for my primes, 5D3 for my 2.8 zooms. That's probably how I'll roll.
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5dmk3 or 7d? Which one to get for someone coming from a 400d and is not a pro tog who makes a living out of this?
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jonneymendoza said:
Well cost is going to be the biggest factor, you could get 3 7Ds for one 5D3
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Adam_M said:
Sounds interesting, what's the benefits of Matthew focus screens?
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jonneymendoza said:
2 completely different cameras. The 7d is now restricted to people who need crop and good af, bird/wildlife I would suggest. The 5d3 is a money no object all rounder- it has good af, good high iso, good frame rate and a full frame sensor. If I didn't like bird photography and had lots of money I would go for the 5d3. If I were to upgrade my 7d it would only be to a 1d4 though- the only sensible progression at present for those who need more range.
I hope canon don't forget us people that want to shoot crop with decent af and half decent high iso performance! The 7d fails on the last point at present.
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Julian, Manual focus screens are useful for those shooting at apertures wider than f/2.8, in that the viewfinder will give an accurate representation of depth of field i.e. less sharp bits in the image and more bokeh. The difference is amazing IMO.
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manualfocus-g said:
Thanks, I'll look into this
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The matt screen does indeed darken the viewfinder, but I get a lot more keepers at f/1.4 and f/1.2 now 
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It will hopefully be one of the best new, and time saving features, of the camera.
No more having to blend in windows when shooting interiors and no more blending skies when shooting exteriors. the amount of time it will save me is worth the price of the camera alone, as long as it doesn't look tone mapped or HDR.
If it works....
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Allegedly 22nd March.
Scoop?
Canon 5Dii who can afford it are wetting themselves over this.
Canon users who can't afford it are disappointed about its price.
Some Nikon users are envious.
Some Nikon users don't care.
Basically, if you can afford it, it is almost a perfect camera. As far as I am concern, it is the perfect camera Canon has ever made for my purposes.
Good mega pixel size (and file size, I do not want a 75mb file ! Think of the cards and HD I will need ...)
Good FPS - 6
Fast AF - taken from none other than the 1Dx
Dual CF/SD card slots like the 1D series - very handy when working commercially
Better weather sealing - between the 7D and 1Dx
plus lots of other bits taken from the 1Dx and 7D before it.
Down side - can't change focus screen anymore, Canon could have made it with this feature like the 1Dx but i guess as part of its cost cutting (at £3,000), it feels it can't or reserve this for the 1Dx. So users of manual primes such as the T/S lenses who want to use the EG-S screen will have to resort to either get a 1Dx or a 5Dii, which is going to still be in production at the moment, selling at half the price...which brings me to the point.
If the 5Diii is selling at twice the price of the 5Dii, it has features of the 1Dx and improved upon everything of the 5Dii. AND continue to sell along side the 5Dii, they might as well label this as the 3D, just like the EOS film camera in the yesteryear. But i guess the downside is that it would create a new line and on paper it does push itself more towards the professional side and put consumers off, where as leaving the same name in, it gives consumers the feeling it is a semi-pro camera body but the professionals will still buy it in droves.
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Edtog said:It will hopefully be one of the best new, and time saving features, of the camera.
No more having to blend in windows when shooting interiors and no more blending skies when shooting exteriors. the amount of time it will save me is worth the price of the camera alone, as long as it doesn't look tone mapped or HDR.
If it works....
If it works, indeed. Combining exposures to create HDRs is one area where I think you really need to be in charge. So for now this appears more of a gimmick than serious pro feature. But looking forward to seeing examples. Would love to be proved wrong. If does then you could be right about the cost of the camera and time saving, I initially thought how crazy, but if it works you could be right (I spend around an hour working each HDR image)
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Not everybody wants Full Frame you know, and it's not just bird/wildlife photographers.
The 'money no object' all rounder is the 1DX. I mean if you are talking money no object.
Canon seem to be focused (no pun intended) on updating the xxxD range every year, and update to the 7DII will come (if it comes) will be a few years apart. There'll probably be a xxD update in the meantime.
Like the 5DIII though, it may need a raft of improvements to tempt many to upgrade, and if all it is lacking is high ISO performance, then making that the only notable improvement could be a hard sell. Canon are loving the 18MP APS-C sensor at the moment, and if they go more MP's then they would have to do it while improving high ISO performance. Something the D800 may struggle to do with such a huge increase in MP's over its predecessor. Increasing MP's whilst improving overall performance is a very fine balancing act.
Canon have stuck with their xD mark 'whatever' naming strategy, and to move outside of that would have to be a radical camera update, not just in features but in styling, like the 7D was. Having the 7D as a one digit D series which is not Full Frame or APS-H sensors was a strange step imho, but they were left with no naming option if they wanted to imply that it was a professional camera, (to match the D300/S) as all their professional models have one digit.
Having both the 5DII and 5DIII on sale at the same time could cause confusion to the uninformed, and may even make the 5DIII appear more expensive to a newcomer to the range if judging only on a spec sheet. Anyone who does that deserves to learn from any expensive mistakes they make btw.
But I think the 5DII may only stay around until stocks disappear if the 5DIII takes off.
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I was lucky enough to have a CPS demo of the 5DmkIII this morning at Focus on Imaging, and took a few quick shots with my 24mm and memory card. Below are examples of the same shot taken (50% crop) at ISO3200,6400,12800,25600:-
http://www.davidsteward.co.uk/5D3/5dmkIII-beta-low-noise-performance-iso3200-25600.jpg
I was amazed with the low noise control, and all round a fantastic new camera. I will be purchasing the moment it drops to £2500ish.
p.s. I promised any pictures I posted online are quoted as taken on a 'Beta' 5DmkIII.
http://www.davidsteward.co.uk/5D3/5dmkIII-beta-low-noise-performance-iso3200-25600.jpg
I was amazed with the low noise control, and all round a fantastic new camera. I will be purchasing the moment it drops to £2500ish.
p.s. I promised any pictures I posted online are quoted as taken on a 'Beta' 5DmkIII.
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Canon have been trying to streamline their numbering system for a while, hence the new 1Dx rather than another 1Ds4 number. A well respected photographer who had input into the development of the 5Diii said on DWF that he thought the 5Diii was going to be renamed 5Dx.
Having both the 5DII and 5DIII on sale at the same time could cause confusion to the uninformed, and may even make the 5DIII appear more expensive to a newcomer to the range if judging only on a spec sheet. Anyone who does that deserves to learn from any expensive mistakes they make btw.
I agree, you have to be either really rich, and impulsive to drop that kind of money and be ill informed at the same time. The 5Dii will stay for a bit yet, it is still selling, and if the price stays at it is, it will stay even longer. Not to mention Canon is actually dropping the 5Dii's RRP by like $300 in the states so that becomes even more attractive as it creates a even bigger gap. It could be a sign that they are trying to shift the remaining stock, or that they want to sell both side by side and doing it with the significant price difference. Who knows, we'll see in 12 months i guess. One thing for sure is that the 5Dii won't stay around forever.
Although on a side note, the 5Dii with its new lower price tag is rather attractive for a certain kind of photographer, with its changeable focus screen and the very decent FF sensor it is still the perfect landscape/studio portrait body for a lot of people who does not require that newer AF system. Lets face it, that is what people were waiting for !
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I maybe wrong but, I can see quite a few people who were thinking of upgrading to a 1Dx from a 1DsMKIII choosing the 5DMKIII instead.
The new 5D is going to get the same updated AF system and other useful features. So, for those who may not need F1 like SAPS (shutter actuations per second) or the 100000 pixel intelligent AF tracking gizmo, The 5DMKIII is going to be a very tempting proposition.
For those thinking about it, a little warning.... There is no way Canon is going to allow Nikon a claim to the high Mpix crown! So, it will not surprise me for Canon to announce a 40+Mpix 1D-HR (High Resolution) in the very near future.
I for one have decided to sit tight and wait to the end of the year before I make any new 35mm purchases.
The new 5D is going to get the same updated AF system and other useful features. So, for those who may not need F1 like SAPS (shutter actuations per second) or the 100000 pixel intelligent AF tracking gizmo, The 5DMKIII is going to be a very tempting proposition.
For those thinking about it, a little warning.... There is no way Canon is going to allow Nikon a claim to the high Mpix crown! So, it will not surprise me for Canon to announce a 40+Mpix 1D-HR (High Resolution) in the very near future.
I for one have decided to sit tight and wait to the end of the year before I make any new 35mm purchases.
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The 1Dx has a Digic 4 processor dedicated for its AF, and it detects colour as well as contrast. the 5Diii only detects contrast.
1Dx also has dual Digic 5+ processor where the 5Diii only has 1.
On paper the 1Dx is at least twice as much powerful, how much difference it is in real life we can only wait to find out.
AF aside, i totally understand your sentiment, the 5Diii on paper it is so good it is going to attract a lot of sales from people who were planning to get the 1Dx. Unless you really want that full weather sealing (some pros do need it) and the even faster FPS, you would get a 5Diii.
1Dx also has dual Digic 5+ processor where the 5Diii only has 1.
On paper the 1Dx is at least twice as much powerful, how much difference it is in real life we can only wait to find out.
AF aside, i totally understand your sentiment, the 5Diii on paper it is so good it is going to attract a lot of sales from people who were planning to get the 1Dx. Unless you really want that full weather sealing (some pros do need it) and the even faster FPS, you would get a 5Diii.
Interestingly, the final slide they showed us in the CPS session this morning was a list of advantages of each of the 5D3 and 1DX, relative to each other. The 5D3 list had about four items whereas the 1DX list had about twenty.
Canon perhaps trying to emphasise that, good though it is, the 5D3 is still no substitute for a 1DX?
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I mean of course there are other features that is only found on the 1Dx but the most significant ones, for me, and ones that i always hoped would trickle down has now arrived.
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They are showing a 1Dx Vs 5DMKIII comparison because they are worried... with good reason.
Canon burned the 1Ds community when they announced the 5DMKII with better ISO, IQ and video just a year after the 1DsMKIII. (it slashed the second hand value of the 1DsMKIII to the tune of £1500...Not funny for those of us who bought the 1Ds)
1DsMKIII owners (me included) were disappointed with the 1Dx Mpix count so, they will be seriously looking at the 5DMKIIII as an upgrade path... Having said that, I am sure Canon has a 40+ Mpix high ISO beasty lurking in the background. So, I am not buying anything until all cards are on the table...
It won't be the first time Canon burns it's loyal clients. You just have to look at how little they cared when they brought the EOS system. Let me tell you... that, was a huge blow for those who bought in to the FD system. (me included)...
I am not getting burned again so, I am sitting this one out!
Canon burned the 1Ds community when they announced the 5DMKII with better ISO, IQ and video just a year after the 1DsMKIII. (it slashed the second hand value of the 1DsMKIII to the tune of £1500...Not funny for those of us who bought the 1Ds)
1DsMKIII owners (me included) were disappointed with the 1Dx Mpix count so, they will be seriously looking at the 5DMKIIII as an upgrade path... Having said that, I am sure Canon has a 40+ Mpix high ISO beasty lurking in the background. So, I am not buying anything until all cards are on the table...
It won't be the first time Canon burns it's loyal clients. You just have to look at how little they cared when they brought the EOS system. Let me tell you... that, was a huge blow for those who bought in to the FD system. (me included)...
I am not getting burned again so, I am sitting this one out!
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Had they not done that the Canon Marketing Dept. would probably be looking for a new job on Monday morning
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Damn it, ISO 25600 looks very usable.
Since it was announced I've gone from "not getting one 'cos it is too expensive", to "going to save hard and when the high street price hits <£2.5K splurge".
I just hope the second hand value of the mk2 doesn't crash too much...
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Will they follow the 1DX with a 1DX II do you think, or do they have something else planned?
What is DWF btw?
Maybe continuing to sell the 5DII (whether while stocks last or not) will keep the 5DIII price higher for longer.
I think the changeable focus screen is a very niche thing. Nice that it is an option, but for the vast majority, unimportant. :shrug:
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DWF is Digital Wedding Forum.
Changing screen is a niche thing and most people won't touch it unless they have manual lenses. I say less than 5%. Although i want a T/S lens so that part of me might cause me to keep one of my 5Dii for this purpose.
Changing screen is a niche thing and most people won't touch it unless they have manual lenses. I say less than 5%. Although i want a T/S lens so that part of me might cause me to keep one of my 5Dii for this purpose.
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3200 and 6400 are spot-on and 12,800 looks excellent. 25,600 is more than useable; I'd say that's as good as my D2X at 1600!!!
A side-by-side comparison with the competition will be nice when it comes.
The 1Dx has a huge fps advantage even with the 6 fps upgrade to the 5D3. And apparently it one-ups the 5D3 by a stop in high ISO.
There is crowd of shooters who are looking for that split second moment which turns into a big pay day ... Whether it's the goalie's face after he's let one past, a celebrity upskirt or that puff of frozen breath from a Yeti, those people will always get the 1dx over the 5D3.
For those of us who don't need that one split second nailed and sent to the agency before anyone else, the 5D3 is what we were waiting for anyway. Actually it's probably MORE than we asked for. Hence the price anguish.
It does leave canon with a perfect slot to introduce a cheaper prosumer full frame camera with a 15 point AF, 4 fps, on-camera flash and slightly crappier viewfinder to replace the 5D2.
There is crowd of shooters who are looking for that split second moment which turns into a big pay day ... Whether it's the goalie's face after he's let one past, a celebrity upskirt or that puff of frozen breath from a Yeti, those people will always get the 1dx over the 5D3.
For those of us who don't need that one split second nailed and sent to the agency before anyone else, the 5D3 is what we were waiting for anyway. Actually it's probably MORE than we asked for. Hence the price anguish.
It does leave canon with a perfect slot to introduce a cheaper prosumer full frame camera with a 15 point AF, 4 fps, on-camera flash and slightly crappier viewfinder to replace the 5D2.
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davidsteward said:
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Hmmmm only detecting contrast? Other manufacturers' high end products have been using colour and pattern database object recognition for focus accuracy for 4 years now...
Still, I guess Canon have learnt a trick or two from others commercial failure - not a good idea to undermine your flagship product that makes you such a large margin per unit!
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Did you shoot jpeg or raw? Any link to the original file if raw would be of huge benefit!
Not sure there are any 5d3 raw readers out there at present, I thought a teacher might know that?
There was a link to the new DPP on a USA site earlier today but it got pulled fairly sharply.
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Don't think there's a RAW converter available yet for 5D III files.