New 5D MK3 revealed

gman said:
Rate button? Is that some sort of ego-boost button or is there more to it?
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Depends how it carries through. I use this feature all the time in lightroom to grade my images.
 
Raymond Lin said:
From a hobbyist's point of view i can totally understand this camera is WAY too expensive.

£500 for a body - Yes please
£1,000 body - you've twisted my arm
£1,500 - Just about stomach.

£3,000 is a big fat no no. There are LOADS more things one can do with the money unless you have loads of money doing nothing. You can buy a decent run around for that. Or refurb the kitchen, new TV with Surround Sound Hifi.

Or a single SLR body with no lens.

However, from a wedding photographer's point of view, this camera's spec list reads like everything one would give his left arm for !!!

The AF is 5Dii's biggest grump and it has been addressed. Not just addressed but surpassed all expectation tbh. I would guess most would be happy to see a 7D's AF system put in there, they only gone and plugged the one from the new 1Dx's AF system into it! When the moment comes that you either get the shot or don't. This is most welcome and it is worth the extra. It is why a lot of people went for the 1D series, because of it's AF system.

Dual memory card slots - when shooting for a client it is all about back up, back up and back up.

Faster digic processor - one of 5Dii's short coming is the buffer, it fills up way too fast. This hopefully will help that. Also glad the pixel count didn't go up silly amount as that would counter this speed bump.

Faster FPS from 4 to 6. Not completely necessary but helpful.

2 stops better (allegedly)

New lock on the dial, rearrangements of the buttons, remove the print button.

Down side, no removable focus screen, this is due to the implementation of the new AF system so it had to be done but i've read a lot of people that this is one thing Canon should have kept.

In short, the 5Diii will be good for business so it's not too expensive for that purpose.
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price will come down to around £2500 quite quickly. There were enough people buying the 5D mk2 at £2300 when it first came out. I know someone at work whose 5D mk2 never leaves green square and auto iso.
 
the ghost said:
I have have money but not a pro so why upgrade.can you honestly tell me why I should upgrade there are other cameras so close and cheaper.
this is more directed to the pro photagrapher tham joe public o well I think ill get a 7d as back up or a aplha 77 both alot cheaper
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I think the 5D mk2 owners should be pleased. Some steps forward from the Mk2, some major improvements, but possibly no huge step forward to force you all to consider changing the bodies you have.

I wonder though if we'd see all these comments if this was pre recession?
 
Stumpy said:
Hmm.

No twist and turn fold out LCD. (Which is REALLY useful when videoing and tracking, or for getting a different angle with stills. Especially handy with my bad back)!
No touch screen LCD (But it has a TOUCH BUTTON, oh wow, touching a button, thats novel Canon).
No powered zooms. (Powered ALWAYS smoother and repeatable compared to manual).
All the extra focus points and better operations only work with f4 or bigger. (Doesn't affect me as I've got lots of "L's", but lots of folk don't).


I've just checked the new price of a Lumix GH2. Suddenly seems very affordable compared to this. Thanks Canon.
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Bless. You forgot to mention much smaller and lighter
 
joescrivens said:
Oh no! The customs people will be onto me any minute! I'm sure they spend every Saturday morning reading this forum!

:lol:
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I wouldn't imagine they do, I would imagine, however if they smell a rat that they're savvy enough to do a quick Google and oh look.....;)
 
Flash In The Pan said:
I wouldn't imagine they do, I would imagine, however if they smell a rat that they're savvy enough to do a quick Google and oh look.....;)
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Don't be ridiculous, it's not like his username is his real name is it?

Hang on...
 
joescrivens said:
Dont worry. The men in the white coats will come to help you soon. :lol:
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You're arguing with the mirror again, aren't you? :nuts:

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Back on topic now, please :)
 
canonjim said:
Even still sales tax doesn't take it to uk equivalent price we're being pumped over here !
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The point is that any discussion of sales tax is irrelevant.

Sales tax in the US varies but we generally pay over twice what they do, but how is that Canon's fault? If you want to compare prices then do so on the pre-tax prices, where the difference is smaller.
 
The discussion here has not really paid much attention to the alleged 'overly strong' AA filter in the 5D3.

I'm not entirely sure what the source of this is but surely this is a major concern for anyone thinking of buying the 5D3 and the claim needs to be investigated/discussed more fully.
 
Digifrog said:
The discussion here has not really paid much attention to the alleged 'overly strong' AA filter in the 5D3.

I'm not entirely sure what the source of this is but surely this is a major concern for anyone thinking of buying the 5D3 and the claim needs to be investigated/discussed more fully.
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I'm sure it will be discussed ;)
 
gman said:
Rate button? Is that some sort of ego-boost button or is there more to it?
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I would like to think it can tag the shots for program's.
I go through my shots in Lightroom and flag the ones I want to keep, if rating them does it in camera then it could save people time on their workflow.
 
Digifrog said:
The discussion here has not really paid much attention to the alleged 'overly strong' AA filter in the 5D3.

I'm not entirely sure what the source of this is but surely this is a major concern for anyone thinking of buying the 5D3 and the claim needs to be investigated/discussed more fully.
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The proof is in the pudding, I think once a range of raw files are available to study the AA filter discussion becomes irrelevant.
 
Digifrog said:
The discussion here has not really paid much attention to the alleged 'overly strong' AA filter in the 5D3.

I'm not entirely sure what the source of this is but surely this is a major concern for anyone thinking of buying the 5D3 and the claim needs to be investigated/discussed more fully.
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Alleged indeed. What's the basis for it? Sometimes photo forums fit my imagination of what a homeopathy forum would look like...
 
joescrivens said:
Oh no! The customs people will be onto me any minute! I'm sure they spend every Saturday morning reading this forum!

:lol:
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They don't necessarily have forums, but software or tip-offs. Someone on here could e-mail customs to be aware of you. You've given name, date, country from and so on.

Pretty easy to pick out to be honest.
 
Digifrog said:
The discussion here has not really paid much attention to the alleged 'overly strong' AA filter in the 5D3.

I'm not entirely sure what the source of this is but surely this is a major concern for anyone thinking of buying the 5D3 and the claim needs to be investigated/discussed more fully.
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Any more info on this? Not seen anything on Canon Rumors and I've been geeking out there pretty heavily. There's also people whining about almot every aspect of the camera, but not that.

Personally I think some of the samples on Canon's website are a bit poor, there's one of a bride that doesn't even look in focus! Seen a few elsewhere though and the IQ at high ISOs look stunning.

Also, not sure why tax evasion seems to be acceptable. I don't think a discussion of how to fiddle the benefits system would go down too well on here. ;)
 
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I think it looks like a cracking camera. The mark II was excellent, never had an issue with focus from my perspective, so should be more than happy with this.
 
ISO 51200 - the shot on that link looks 'acceptable' for the conditions.. Not saying it's a great shot - but would certainly pass if shooting in considerably low light....
 
I can't understand how people are not seeing this as a brilliant upgrade :shrugs:

I understand a lot of people won't use video but did they buy their mkii for video? Probably not, they bought it because it was an awesome camera.

For me the improved autofocus is a MAJOR benefit, being able to focus in low light with an AF point other than the centre one would be nice and with 61 AF points it will make shooting outdoor portraits of kids playing etc a dream. Couple this with a ridiculous ISO where I imagine images @ 12800 would come out fairly clean would mean a world of new photos in churches.

I also really liek the dual card slot as I wouldn't have the need to backup my files on hdd while at a wedding, I would personally buy a new sd card for each wedding as they are so cheap and keep them as a raw backup.

All this said, I was hoping it would be priced around the 2.3-2.5k price range and would be stretching to pay that, £3k means i won't be getting one for a while but definitely looking forward to when i do :)

Hope they're at Focus to play with!
 
Eighth Avenue said:
I can't understand how people are not seeing this as a brilliant upgrade :shrugs:

I understand a lot of people won't use video but did they buy their mkii for video? Probably not, they bought it because it was an awesome camera.

For me the improved autofocus is a MAJOR benefit, being able to focus in low light with an AF point other than the centre one would be nice and with 61 AF points it will make shooting outdoor portraits of kids playing etc a dream. Couple this with a ridiculous ISO where I imagine images @ 12800 would come out fairly clean would mean a world of new photos in churches.

I also really liek the dual card slot as I wouldn't have the need to backup my files on hdd while at a wedding, I would personally buy a new sd card for each wedding as they are so cheap and keep them as a raw backup.

All this said, I was hoping it would be priced around the 2.3-2.5k price range and would be stretching to pay that, £3k means i won't be getting one for a while but definitely looking forward to when i do :)

Hope they're at Focus to play with!
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Its the price mate
 
Digifrog said:
The discussion here has not really paid much attention to the alleged 'overly strong' AA filter in the 5D3.

I'm not entirely sure what the source of this is but surely this is a major concern for anyone thinking of buying the 5D3 and the claim needs to be investigated/discussed more fully.
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Where's this come from, the claim of an overly strong anti alias filter? I've seen it mentioned on a POTN thread, but nothing from any official sources or any reviews as yet.

Mind you, the 5D mk2 was said to have an overly strong AA filter when it first came out, but here is everyone singing it's praises.
 
Has anyone mentioned the on chip noise reduction?

It'll be interesting to see the effect of this and how it compares to the usual post capture PC software NR.
 
jpwild said:
They don't necessarily have forums, but software or tip-offs. Someone on here could e-mail customs to be aware of you. You've given name, date, country from and so on.

Pretty easy to pick out to be honest.
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Thanks for caring so much about my well being. I appreciate your concerns!
 
woof woof said:
Has anyone mentioned the on chip noise reduction?

It'll be interesting to see the effect of this and how it compares to the usual post capture PC software NR.
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At the moment there's just the jpegs, not seen any raws as I'm guessing the raw convertors aren't updated yet?

It'll be interesting to see if there's NR menu settings etc to change to get best quality, similar to previous cameras.
 
I wonder if it is just JPEG's. DPR isn't 100% clear IMVHO as they mention RAW and then go on to mention JPEG.

"Finally there's a newly-developed on-chip noise reduction system to improve the quality of the information coming off the chip.

Canon isn't making specific claims for how much of an improvement these changes make to the raw output but, once subjected to the Digic 5+'s processing, it will claim a 2-stop improvement in the JPEG images."

To me the way that's worded implies that RAW's are affected. Maybe things will be clarified in the near future.

This is much clearer...

"In addtion, the extra processing power allows the 5D Mark III to apply chromatic aberation correction to its JPEGs."
 
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The problem is now, and for the foreseeable future, is that there will be the same small amount of information being churned over in blogs (cheap way to get blog hits) and rumours, both good and bad, will fly around.

Unfortunately until RAW files, full reviews etc. come out it is all speculation. Hopefully all images will be shot on the 5D3 at least, but hey you never can tell.

I would imagine Nikon and Canon have people on every forum spreading rumours about AA filters, or too many pixels etc. All spin until we get hard evidence.

That said, to me it looks like it has what I need, better AF and low light. Perfect. Price will drop over the next 6-12 months which is when I will look to purchase.
 
I've downloaded some full size Jpegs to my desktop and the IQ at 12,800 ISO is incredible probably equivalent to my 1Ds MkII at 1600 ISO.

I could almost certainly get a virtually noiseless image after processing it in Neat Image.

It's only at 51,200 ISO that some Chroma noise is apparent but even then NR would yield perfectly acceptable images especially when downsized.

I can see a great many people buying this camera simply because of the low light abilities.

And for weddings etc you could easily offset the cost against the fact that large aperture lenses could be replaced by cheaper alternatives.

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No big sell off of current 5D2 stock as according to this hands on preview from Bob Atkins it will be running alongside the MK3 for the time being.
 
I've read that even with vat receipt the body guarantee is still only with the country you buy it and that's a bit of a killer. A body so early in its release might be too much of a risk.

I think I might get another mark 2 and a lens instead and then upgrade 1 of them this time next year when hopefully the price will be £500 cheaper. It will allow me to buy back the lens I have always missed having the 100mm 2.8l IS
 
Anyone else remember when we were young rotating our cycle pedals the opposite way?
No?
Just me then....::)
 
Another thing nobody seems to mention is that it has "In-camera HDR. 3 images taken at +/- 3 stop intervals. In-camera image alignment"

Not sure if that means you get a single combined image, if it did it could massively increase the dynamic range for static subjects.

Apparently not:

"The EOS 5D MkIII has both in-camera HDR and multiple exposure capability. The HDR function combines 3 images shot at different exposures (up to +/- 3 stops) and aligns the images (as long as the camera doesn't move too much between exposures). Various HDR "effects" can be selected. Multiple exposures can be combined in several ways, but they do not form an HDR image. The multiple exposure mode is the same as that found in the EOS 1D-X."

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petersmart said:
Another thing nobody seems to mention is that it has "In-camera HDR. 3 images taken at +/- 3 stop intervals. In-camera image alignment"

Not sure if that means you get a single combined image, if it did it could massively increase the dynamic range for static subjects.

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Unless I'm missing something, see no point in this at all, I'd rather process HDR myself (Photomatix etc). I have seen that the 5D3 will still save the separate exposures too.
 
ding76uk said:
...Unfortunately until RAW files, full reviews etc. come out it is all speculation... All spin until we get hard evidence...
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Well said Carl!

There seem to be an awful lot of armchair experts knocking about... Like you, I'll make a decision on whether to upgrade based on hard evidence rather than hearsay!

I'm still a bit underwhelmed with it all at the moment but hopefully the actual proof of its capabilities will win me over. :)
 
Personally, the decision is made.

There is no way the noise capability is worse than the mkii so that is good enough for me. I am buying it for the AF and dual cards slots mainly, couldn't really care less for most other features.
 
I'm going to have a good look at one in Focus on Monday - assuming I can get close enough...
 
Spiritflier said:
You shoot a 50D so I would imagine the change for you would be quite startling but from someone who already shoots a full-frame 21mp Canon, I don't see that the new MKIII is all that much of an upgrade!

I'd have loved to see Canon make two versions... One without video to complement this one!
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I can see that some of the improvements will appeal to the professional user who is using the camera to its maximum but for an enthusiast like me the difference is not worth the considerable extra cost that an upgrade from my MKII would require.

Currently I shoot Raw + smallest jpeg on my MKII. Yesterday I printed a 1050mm x 650mm colour print on a Hewlett Packard Large Format printer of one of my smallest jpegs straight from the CF card and the detail was spectacular. I then did a test strip from the same image but using a TIFF file produced from the RAW file and this was even more spectacular.

I didn't buy the MKII for the video (I aready have an HD 1080 camcorder)and so the video capability is not something I use very often.
 
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