NAS HDD drives which brand?

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My HP Micro server drives are getting on a bit, I have 4 WD 2TB Red drives in Raid 6 setup fully cloud backed up (Hubic).
They are probably 3-4 years old now. I have had one fail and one indicate failure, both were replaced by WD.
Because I use Raid 6 I lose half the storage so it gives me a 4TB array which is nice enough for my uses.

I was thinking though as this all goes via my business to replace the 2TBs with 4TBs but wonder if WD is not the best choice anymore.

Wondering about Seagate below

https://www.ebuyer.com/758036-seagate-ironwolf-4tb-3-5-nas-hard-drive-st4000vn008

or Toshiba

https://www.ebuyer.com/776379-toshi...ity-nas-hard-drive-at-ebuyer-com-hdwq140uzsva
 
Seagate seem cheaper which sometimes worries me
 
Synology.

Had a WD one and it was s***.

Heard Seagate aren't much better.

We have a Synology NAS at work and it's faultless & quick.
 
To clarify its not the housings I am looking at I have that covered with my microserver its just the HDDS
 
PaulButler said:
I wouldn't worry, not as if they are half price!! Either way, nothing wrong with sticking with WD - to me a win/win.
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that's the thing though 2 out of 4 have had issues in the 3 and a bit years and they haven't been worked to death.
 
Mr Bump said:
that's the thing though 2 out of 4 have had issues in the 3 and a bit years and they haven't been worked to death.
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Did they come from the same batch perhaps? If you are worried (or fancy a change) Seagate are fine imo/e
 
PaulButler said:
Did they come from the same batch perhaps? If you are worried (or fancy a change) Seagate are fine imo/e
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they were originally from ebuyer all on the same order.
 
All my hard drives are WD
 
personal experience for me would be stick with WD simply because i am yet to have a failure with them whereas the others i have tried have all proved problematic. That said i don't think there is a right or wrong answer with hard drives as they all have it in them to fail and it doesn't always have to be after a few years of use. Currently i have 2x3tb WD reds in my home server which has been running for about 5/6 yeas now with no trouble and i have a 640gb WD blue storage disk in my main pc that must be about 7/8 years old now and is getting a bit full but hasn't skipped a beat. It's all personal experience though as i know other people who wouldn't touch WD because they have had a bad experience with them
 
keeweeman said:
personal experience for me would be stick with WD simply because i am yet to have a failure with them whereas the others i have tried have all proved problematic. That said i don't think there is a right or wrong answer with hard drives as they all have it in them to fail and it doesn't always have to be after a few years of use. Currently i have 2x3tb WD reds in my home server which has been running for about 5/6 yeas now with no trouble and i have a 640gb WD blue storage disk in my main pc that must be about 7/8 years old now and is getting a bit full but hasn't skipped a beat. It's all personal experience though as i know other people who wouldn't touch WD because they have had a bad experience with them
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yep and I would say the same I don't think I have had a hdd fail in donkeys years full stop but 2 out of 4 of the WD 2TB Reds have failed and that has thrown me so wonder if I might just try Seagate on the next refresh.

I am on my 3rd micro server doing NAS stuff and would usually be buying a new one but the gen8 one I have is so good I am going to run it till it goes pop I think. I just don't want to run the disks much more than 4 years.
 
i have plans to rebuild my home server this year but i will probably be looking second hand at a gen 2/3 i5 build which should be powerful enough for 4k streaming when i come to upgrade my tv, it should also reduce the power output a little too compared to the current build (socket 775 quadcore), i would quite like a micro server if it wasn't for the media side of things but i have read that they are a little bit lacking in the processing power side of things for anything more than 1080p transcoding. That said when i do i suspect i will be adding to rather than replacing my current disks as so far they have been great
 
@keeweeman you can upgrade the processors in the gen8 very easy I have a xeon e3 1260l in mine runs lovely
 
keeweeman said:
can you upgrade them to one with enough oomph to cope with 4k and plex? If so then they could become a genuine option for me down the line
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its nigh on impossible to do on the fly 4k transcoding ive been there, you can directplay h.265 if your playback device supports it,
 
I have WD red drives in both my NAS 4 bays. Had one fail in 3 years which I put down to bad luck. Been using western digital drives for years and have only had one die. I've used Seagate ones in the past and had a number fail, Seagate did replace them quickly but still not good.

I used to get 2tb Seagate drives that had failed for free and just send them back for free replacements too lol
 
Whatever brand you mention someone will have a horror story. Every drive has potential for failure at day 1 so I just say use whatever brand you can find with a good rma for price and let your backup process worry about failures.

I'm still rocking 7+ year old Samsung, but they're fully backed up so meh :D

To rip off Extreme Tech on Backblaze stats..

"As always, Backblaze’s data sets should be taken as a representative sample of how drives perform in this specific workload. Backblaze’s buying practices prioritize low cost drives over any other type, and they don’t buy the enterprise drives that Western Digital, Seagate, and other manufacturers position specifically for these kinds of deployments. Whether this has any impact on consumer drive failure rates isn’t known. HDD manufacturers advertise their enterprise hardware as having gone through additional validation and being designed specifically for high-vibration environments. But there are few studies on whether or not these claims result in meaningfully better performance or reliability.

Backblaze’s operating environment has little in common with a consumer desktop or laptop, and may not cleanly match the failure rates we would see in these products. The company readily acknowledges these limitations, but continues to provide its data on the grounds that having some information about real-world failure rates and how long hard drives live for is better than having none at all. We agree. Readers often ask which hard drive brands are the most reliable, but this information is extremely difficult to come by. Most studies of real-world failure rates don’t name brands or manufacturers, which limits their real-world applicability."

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/175089-who-makes-the-most-reliable-hard-drives
 
Over time, all manufacturers have flaky models. In the mid-'80s, when HDDs in PCs were fairly new, we were using 5.25" full-height 10MB (and I do mean MB) Rodime drives that were so poor the engineers would order three replacements at a time to get one that worked. Then there was the batch of 40MB drives that wouldn't work unless we removed the anti-static spring from the spindle. I'm sure some here will remember IBM DeskStars being referred to as DeathStars and how crap Maxtor SATA drives were.

I've had no problems with WD 3TB Reds and I have a good number of them. I've had one of five 2TB Red fail and two 6TB that I've just never had any confidence in - I suspect they got severely shaken in the post. I'm probably going to replace the oldest 3TBs with 4TB Reds which got poor reviews when they were released but now seem as solid as the 3TBs.
 
Mr Bump said:
its nigh on impossible to do on the fly 4k transcoding ive been there, you can directplay h.265 if your playback device supports it,
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Nice one thanks, i had a quick look at how much a gen 10 would be after my reply yesterday and i think going with my original plan is the way forwards anyways from an affordability perspective! Bit too steep for my needs currently!
 
Get a gen8 if you can and modify it. Gen10 not so great HPE have mullered it.
 
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