My wife was mugged today!

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3, yes 3, scumbags waited till my wife had finished at the cash machine at lunchtime today, then grabbed her handbag with the £100 + cards etc.
She goolie kicked one and they were all chased by a helpful passer by, but they ditched the bag and legged it.
The police were no help. Who can identify 3 hooded yobs from the other 100 hooded yobs in towns today.
She's very upset and shaken, but unhurt. But her confidence will be shaky for a while. Meanwhile I wanna kill somebody!
When can decent people start to reclaim the streets? :bang:
 
Did she get her bag and contents and money back?

Good on her for getting one in the nuts!

Any CCTV?

Worth telling us whereabouts so we can be vigilant?

Wish you all the best and hope she is not hurt, physically or pyschologically too badly.
 
So sorry to hear about your wife's ordeal.

Thankfully she is physically okay and I'm glad to hear that there are still some helpful people about.
 
Sorry to hear that. I hope she is OK and proud of herself for giving one of them a good kick. Good on her. I hope they didnt get her money. Little hope of the poice catching them I suppose.
 
That's awful. Hope she's OK. Try to get her out to get her confidence back as soon as possible.
 
Just wrote a rant ..

I hope your wife is ok and i hope she will be ok.. please do not do anything daft ... good for her on the goolige thing...
 
Thanks for the interest. I don't normally parade problems on forums, but I'm angry enough to kill. Not because of the money, but because they've dented her confidence by 3 of the cowardly scumbags attacking her in broad daylight.
She got the bag, but they kept the purse with the money.
She'd gone into Keighley, nr Bradford for a meeting when they pounced. There's no CCTV either at the bank or the shopping centre where they ran past the front of when they escaped.
Just be careful out there!
 
:hug: Hope you've given each other a big hug. Here's one from me :hug:. Hope she carries on as normal out of spite and annoyance if not because she feels like it. Hope they get caught soon.
 
Sorry to hear this, and I hope your wife gets over this pretty quick. Good on her for having the courage to put up a stand :thumbs:

As for the cowards, what goes around comes around.
 
mercedes said:
Thanks for the interest. I don't normally parade problems on forums, but I'm angry enough to kill. Not because of the money, but because they've dented her confidence by 3 of the cowardly scumbags attacking her in broad daylight.
She got the bag, but they kept the purse with the money.
She'd gone into Keighley, nr Bradford for a meeting when they pounced. There's no CCTV either at the bank or the shopping centre where they ran past the front of when they escaped.
Just be careful out there!
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Tell her to get out there again asap. Follow her if necessary the first time so she feels supported. Dont kill any assailants, though I do understand why you would want to.
 
Even if they were caught they would no doubt be given Xboxes as they had 'deprived childhoods'
 
It is the decline of Britain today. There are subcultures emerging all over Britain where these yobs are basically feral. They have no respect for law and order, teachers or their parents if they have them. The Police don't seem interested and this reliance on CCTV is laughable.
The authorities rely on CCTV so they don't have to attend when something happens. The simple truth is they don't have the manpower to attend everything as it happens.
My Dad thought the country was going to the dogs years ago. He fought in the war and he loved his country. I'm not glad he is dead but I am glad he didn't live to see the sorry state that this country is in now.

Here is a bit of irony for you. Across the road from my studio is an old age complex. A little bit further on is a block of flats where the council, in it's wisdom, have decided to house all the junkies. The old folk living in the complex are too scared to go out because of all the junkies hanging about. So you have a situation where you have a generation who fought for the freedom of this country, being imprisoned by the very people who they fought for, to give them the freedom that they exercise today to do their drugs, rob whoever they feel like and get away with it because the Police can't do anything about it.

We have a broken and sick society in so many ways. On the other hand we have a health service and generally we have never had so many possessions and no one starves to death these days. 100 years ago you died in a workhouse if you were too sick or poor to work properly.

I hope your wife is okay. Trust me I understand your anger and frustration, but it just goes to show how close,that you, as I certainly have, and I'm usually a placid kind of person, could come to inflicting serious violence on someone if the right buttons are pushed. And that my friend is a failing civilised society.
 
Circles said:
The Police don't seem interested and this reliance on CCTV is laughable. The authorities rely on CCTV so they don't have to attend when something happens. The simple truth is they don't have the manpower to attend everything as it happens.
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It's not that the police aren't generally "interested" in crime - it's more that we're fighting a relentless battle with one hand tied behind our collective back.

Sorry as I am to hear of another street robbery (which, incidentally, I can't think of a single colleague that wouldn't like to solve such a case), on the facts presented, there simply isn't enough to make any significant headway in the investigation. The legal standard of proof we have to reach to prove a criminal case is very, very high - many would say impossibly so in a great many cases. The legal system massively favours the defendant throughout.

Casting my eye loosely over the very brief facts, you have this scenario:

1) No witnesses that can recognise the suspects' faces. This is, of course, because they were all wearing hoodies. Even if you saw the same three lads next week wearing exactly the same clothing, the defence will argue that clothing does not constitute identification, because it is easily portable and changeable.

2) There is no forensic evidence. This is because there was minimal contact between the suspects and victim.

3) There is no CCTV evidence. As the OP said, there are no cameras in the area.

4) The property stolen is impossible to trace. Cash is the most easily explained away of all stolen property.

5) The injury sustained by the suspect will not make him identifiable. Even if the suspect were stopped around the corner, assuming he had the nous to ditch his top - something a great many criminals do very quickly - clutching his nuts, he would explain it away as a cycling injury / football hit him or some other such nonsense lie. We would have to prove otherwise.

Even if the police were to receive an intel tip off (which happens more often than you might think - criminals are often very quick to squeal on each other) and the purse were recovered, with the passage of time the CPS will still not run a charge of Robbery. They would run, at best, with Handling Stolen Goods - assuming that you could positively identify the purse, and not just as a similar type. If not, the matter would be dropped. Even if "word gets around" about who is responsible, it will only constitute hearsay; it will simply be denied by anyone accused of the robbery.

Sadly, I fear that the best that might happen is that the police might eventually get to know what happened and who is behind it, but it seems very doubtful that a prosecution could follow with so little evidence left behind. Believe me, I hate criminals with a manic passion - but the system is very, very much against us. Even with a conviction, the sentence that follows is usually meaningless. This week, for example, I have charged another youth with yet another theft of a motor vehicle (aggravated, because he crashed it through someone's garden wall). Already, by the age of 15, he has racked up three convictions for residential burglary, and around 6 for various motor vehicle thefts. He also has a handful of minor drug and shoplifting convictions. In all, he has been arrested about 40 times, of which about 20-odd have resulted in a conviction. He has never done any time inside, or even come close to a Young Offenders' Institution. He won't end up serving any for this, either. I appreciate it's not Robbery, but even then the only time I have seen a youth end up with a spell in the YOI for that is on a second or third conviction.

If the general public could see the average criminal's PNC Record (criminal history), you would be shocked at how many times most of them have been arrested and convicted. You would also find that almost all of them have, at some point, received a "community order" of some sort; most are permanently under one kind of order or another. It would also make you see just how ineffective such "punishments" really are.

I will save observations on our general lack of manpower for another thread. I am, however, sorry that yet another innocent person has become a victim of crime.
 
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Photo Plod said:
It's not that the police aren't generally "interested" in crime - it's more that we're fighting a relentless battle with one hand tied behind our collective back.
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Sorry I should imagine that you must be so frustrated having to keep on arresting and releasing the same old offenders all the time. What I meant by the Police not being interested was probably a little simplistic a term to use. I think the police have so much to do with all this insane beaurocracy, that the general impression by the public is becoming increasingly that the Police aren't bothered. More and more crimes aren't even being reported anymore because there is no point. What is particularly sickening about that is that the government produce falling crime figures due to half the crimes not being reported in the first place.

No I support the police in every way and I wish they had back up of the justice system, where there was some effective punishment that would deter these yobs from doing what they are doing. But I fear it is already too late for that.

The problems are far more deep rooted than just punishing them. The parents can't look after them when they are young, they are too busy spending their social money down the pub and or buying drugs. They are popping out sproggs all over the place so they can get even more social money. They can't, nor do they even have any intention of looking after their kids. Eventually the kids become feral and by the time they are 13 they are already producing the next generation.
I honestly think that they should give these yobos as much drugs as they want for free and give them loads of social money. Then give them one proviso, if they get pregnant or father a child then their money is stopped, or at least seriously reduced.

We'd get rid of the yob culture in one generation. They wouldn't be bringing any more kids into the world if it was going to cost them all their free drugs and cash and with a bit of luck they'll all OD on their drugs in the first six months anyway.

I know it is a ridiculous notion really, still if someone proposed in a party manifesto I'd vote for them.
No you have my full sympathy, I wouldn't want your job, that would have to be the most frustrating occupation ever.
 
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Thanks to everyone for their concern and thoughts.
Circles and photo plod both understand the motives and the state of our society well.
In years gone by our society was probably policed by far fewer bobbies than we have now, but back then the bulk of the people on the streets were law abiding, God fearing folk who in effect 'policed' their own communities.
They kept watch and the bad guys knew they were being watched, so were extremely careful how they acted in public.
The punishment was also far more severe if they were caught too.
I think it will take a mindset change in the general public to want to take back the streets and be 'out there' more often and report the law breakers who would then receive suitable punishment.
This of course won't happen until the law is changed to allow the courts to impose sentences severe enough that will deter the hardened miscreants of today's anti social world.
 
Sorry to hear what they did to your wife!

If the country had piles they would be growing out of Keighley .. Air thieves like these scum should be dealt with severely whatever the cost!

just out of imterest, which bank was it??
 
Splog said:
Sorry to hear what they did to your wife!

If the country had piles they would be growing out of Keighley .. Air thieves like these scum should be dealt with severely whatever the cost!

just out of imterest, which bank was it??
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The bank was Nat west and there were no cameras on the scenario.
A little unfair to lambast keighley, which, as I've worked and stayed in most small towns in England, Ireland and Wales, is a lot better than most.
The ferals breed in all towns now don't you know?
 
real shame to hear about your wife.. i hope she doesn't dwell too long on it. although the kick in the knackers would have had no effect whatsoever, as this sort of scum have nothing down there.

i thought all cash points had cameras over them... maybe it was only pointing at the actual cash till and not onto the street?
 
leftcurl said:
i thought all cash points had cameras over them...
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Same here.

And i also thought the were pointed at the face of the person using the machine. I seem to remember similar videos being shown on crimewatch:shrug:

In this day and age im shocked that there is no CCTV to show of it.

Someone said that people used to police the communities themselves, that is true but we cant do that anymore because if a kid breaks into someones shed and hurts himself doing it, the person who owns the shed ends up getting sued (rare i know, but it does happen). And if the victim gives the kid a slap they will get arrested and charged with assault (not so rare).

So what chance have we got if the police admit they havnt got the power or resources to police the communities, and at the same time take all the power away from the citizens to do it ourselves.

If someone breaks into my house, i'll beat the living ****** out of them, if i end spending a few weeks i jail for it, then well.... it might make me a stronger person so what the hell.

I think i do my bit when i comes to making my presence known when scumbags are lurking around, i give them a look just so they know if any ****** goes down they will have me to deal with.

Im lucky though, i now alot of people around where i live ( i work around my own housing estate as a gardener) which helps. But im also 6' 6", 16 stone and as nimble as a 9 year old gymnast.

Nobody ever seems to give me grief, i wonder why:shrug:

Waste of space cowards, thats why.

Honestly if i read a scandal in the paper that said the police had been systematically 'removing' certain members of society, then i dunno if i would be that outraged tbo.

hope your wife ok OP. If my GF can be beaten with a hammer and left for dead in an alley way and still visit where it happened, im sure your partner will find the strength within herself in good time. Just try to let her know that it is unlikely that these yobs ever intended to hurt her, i know it must of been absolutely terrifying. But she cant let that experience influence (too much) her outlook on society. Easy for me to say i know, but i just hope she dosent let it beat her thats all.

And i hope you are ok too, it cant be easy for you either.

Best wishes to both of you.
 
Well done to her for getting one in the spud sack. Like people have said she needs to get out there before it makes her not want to go out alone.

Shame there is such scum bags in the world and hopefully they'll pick on the wrong person and get taught a lesson.
 
Cheers guys.
My wife went into the bank straight away to cancel the credit cards and asked about cameras. Nope, and they ran down a pathway with no cameras too.
She also spent 2hours down the cop shop running through their mug shot portfolio. No joy there and even if they were caught no real deterrent to stop.
I'd do the same as you adey, give em a good hiding and risk the punishment for the benefit of the satisfaction I'd get.
She's been out in town again today, so she's getting over it. Just a shock to have it happen in broad daylight.
 
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Photo Plod said:
This week, for example, I have charged another youth with yet another theft of a motor vehicle (aggravated, because he crashed it through someone's garden wall). Already, by the age of 15, he has racked up three convictions for residential burglary, and around 6 for various motor vehicle thefts. He also has a handful of minor drug and shoplifting convictions. In all, he has been arrested about 40 times, of which about 20-odd have resulted in a conviction. He has never done any time inside, or even come close to a Young Offenders' Institution. He won't end up serving any for this, either.
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I've just watched Traffic cops, they showed a 48 year old rider acting like an idiot on the public road, power sliding his bike at speed and having a flip up numberplate.

He was convicted of dangerous driving and perverting the course of justice, his sentence a 2 year ban and 3 months in prison.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve prison and they didn't mention if it was his 1st offence but how can someone with 40 arrests and 20 convictions for theft and burglary not have done any time but this guy is straight in.

Could it be anything to do with making an example, a lot of bikers and drivers act like idiots, 99% of the population will never steal a car or burgle a house so by imprisoning the motorist on national TV they make a few people think about their actions.
 
wack61 said:
I've just watched Traffic cops, they showed a 48 year old rider acting like an idiot on the public road, power sliding his bike at speed and having a flip up numberplate.

He was convicted of dangerous driving and perverting the course of justice, his sentence a 2 year ban and 3 months in prison.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve prison and they didn't mention if it was his 1st offence but how can someone with 40 arrests and 20 convictions for theft and burglary not have done any time but this guy is straight in.

Could it be anything to do with making an example, a lot of bikers and drivers act like idiots, 99% of the population will never steal a car or burgle a house so by imprisoning the motorist on national TV they make a few people think about their actions.
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It's to do with starting points for sentencing. Perverting the Course of Justice almost always carries a prison sentence, regardless of previous convictions, so this would definitely have tipped it over the edge. DD also carries a minimum 12-month ban, usually accompanied with a prison sentence. Bear in mind that his prison sentence will be automatically halved, so he will only actually serve 6 weeks.

Also, my suspect was a juvenile - just like the suspects that beat up the OP's wife. They very, very rarely go to Young Offenders' Institutions (though we have managed to fill them up as well, despite the best efforts of the courts to keep them empty) unless it's for a very serious offence. As I said, even Robbery would only tend to result in a prison sentence (for a juvenile) on a second offence. For an adult, it would be prison on a first offence.
 
wack61 said:
I've just watched Traffic cops, they showed a 48 year old rider acting like an idiot on the public road, power sliding his bike at speed and having a flip up numberplate.

He was convicted of dangerous driving and perverting the course of justice, his sentence a 2 year ban and 3 months in prison.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve prison and they didn't mention if it was his 1st offence but how can someone with 40 arrests and 20 convictions for theft and burglary not have done any time but this guy is straight in.

Could it be anything to do with making an example, a lot of bikers and drivers act like idiots, 99% of the population will never steal a car or burgle a house so by imprisoning the motorist on national TV they make a few people think about their actions.
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I watched the same programme. Did you see the cyclist the police pulled over for riding without lights and ignoring a red-light? I was aghast at his punishment, which was a £700 fine and £215 costs! I couldn't believe it. Of course he should be prosecuted but FFS, punishments are just not fitting the crimes :bang:
 
Probably not the thing to say, but if this happened to my missus I would now be under arrest for manslaughter.............not a nice thing to happen and she will remember the scum that did it and they will eventually go down for it..........keep faith they will be caught
 
Along with everyone else on here, I would hope that your wife gets over it as soon as possible.
Unfortunately the punishment would seem to make little difference to these scumbags.
For what it is worth IMO, I would have them punished in what ever way PLUS I would have each of these thugs given a compulsory vasectomy. At least then they would not then be able to produce / reproduce any more, and as a bonus it would help the country by not wasting money on benefits.
Best wishes,
Bob.
 
Sloper said:
I watched the same programme. Did you see the cyclist the police pulled over for riding without lights and ignoring a red-light? I was aghast at his punishment, which was a £700 fine and £215 costs! I couldn't believe it. Of course he should be prosecuted but FFS, punishments are just not fitting the crimes :bang:
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He got the fine for failing to stop when asked

I think he got exactly what he deserved, there's not enough respect for the Police, his attitude was disgraceful, what was laughable was he talked himself into all that, a few more £700 fines and perhaps people wouldn't be so lippy.

A guy at work was shocked one of his mates was arrested for burping but when he explained what had happened I agreed with the Police officer, they'd been walking through a shopping centre towards a Police officer, as they passed his mate burped in the officers face and got arrested for it.

There has to be respect for the law, he was released with a caution if he'd been fined £500 I bet he wouldn't do it again.

A guy I know got banned about 5 years ago for DUI, got his licence back then about a year later did it again 3x the limit, the maximum fine was £5000 and 6 months in prison.

all they did was fine him £500 and ban him for 3 years, everybody at work was gobsmacked he was on 30k+

If they'd fined him £5000 it may have made him think i'm not doing that again, the courts are way too soft IMO
 
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He did stop eventually; he could hardly evade a police car on a main road. And yes he was lippy, but having a bad attitude is not against the law... yet! He ws fined a total of £915. I wonder how much the three muggers would be fined if caught? Certainly nothing like that amount.

Your last example, the DUI guy, illustrates the point I was making, which is that punishments are not consistent and are not fitting crimes. It suggests that a cyclist riding without lights is as dangerous as a drunk motorist.
And, in the same programme, the police stopped a woman driver who turned out not to have a driiving license or insurance. IIRC, she was fined £40!
 
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wack61 said:
He got the fine for failing to stop when asked

I think he got exactly what he deserved, there's not enough respect for the Police, his attitude was disgraceful, what was laughable was he talked himself into all that, a few more £700 fines and perhaps people wouldn't be so lippy.

A guy at work was shocked one of his mates was arrested for burping but when he explained what had happened I agreed with the Police officer, they'd been walking through a shopping centre towards a Police officer, as they passed his mate burped in the officers face and got arrested for it.

There has to be respect for the law, he was released with a caution if he'd been fined £500 I bet he wouldn't do it again.

A guy I know got banned about 5 years ago for DUI, got his licence back then about a year later did it again 3x the limit, the maximum fine was £5000 and 6 months in prison.

all they did was fine him £500 and ban him for 3 years, everybody at work was gobsmacked he was on 30k+

If they'd fined him £5000 it may have made him think i'm not doing that again, the courts are way too soft IMO
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I do agree with the 'sentiment' of your post! .. but, if some ******** belched in my face and i reported him to the police? ... would they bother to do anything? .. somehow I doubt it :shrug: Unfortunately the law is not applied evenly and equally :thinking: .... Get rid of the barristers, lawyers, et al and save a fortune :D
 
Sorry to hear about your wife's ordeal :shake:

Unfortunately most of the time I think its down to the parents why their children end up this way. If the child is a minor the parents should be held responsible and be given a heavy fine. The attitude of this country needs to change.
 
DpM said:
Sorry to hear about your wife's ordeal :shake:

Unfortunately most of the time I think its down to the parents why their children end up this way. If the child is a minor the parents should be held responsible and be given a heavy fine. The attitude of this country needs to change.
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My sentiments entirely. Society will only change when ordinary people vastly outnumber the dipsticks on the streets. They feel dominant when they are in the majority but don't have much to say when not.
The same with drunks - How lippy are they when surrounded by their 'mates' get them on their own and sober - Zilch!
 
Gary said:
surprised this thread took as many as 11 posts before it got daily mailed... things are looking up!
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'Daily mailed' ...... Excellent! :thumbs:
 
cambsno said:
Even if they were caught they would no doubt be given Xboxes as they had 'deprived childhoods'
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Or was it "depraved" childhoods. They certainly are that now.
 
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