My illegal shennanigans from today...

How odd, I've just spent the last 2 weekends (4 days) with a couple of togs shooting a football tournament and I don't know of a single person approaching my togs and suggesting they couldn't be there. Of course that might be because my togs all wear branded Hi-Viz jackets and we all know that if you wear Hi-Viz jackets you are meant to be there.
 
How odd, I've just spent the last 2 weekends (4 days) with a couple of togs shooting a football tournament and I don't know of a single person approaching my togs and suggesting they couldn't be there. Of course that might be because my togs all wear branded Hi-Viz jackets and we all know that if you wear Hi-Viz jackets you are meant to be there.

True! I've heard of togs stopping traffic on a shoot on the strength of a Hi-Viz jacket - perhaps we should all get one!
 
i was at my daughters dance show, and was told that "due to the child protection act, any kind of photography was not allowed". Appreciate it was a theatre, and hadn't taken a camera anyway, but did make me chuckle.
 
Well it's going to be interesting for us parents with "Sports Days" coming up soon. Considering how many will be using camcorders, I wonder what their reaction will be with me turning up with a 70-200VR mounted to my camera :suspect:
 
my togs all wear branded Hi-Viz jackets and we all know that if you wear Hi-Viz jackets you are meant to be there.

They are a great way of making yourself invisible in public. You look like you are supposed to be there so you get ignored.

A camera on a bright yellow surveyor's tripod works well too.



Steve.
 
i was at my daughters dance show, and was told that "due to the child protection act, any kind of photography was not allowed". Appreciate it was a theatre, and hadn't taken a camera anyway, but did make me chuckle.
I'm normally very awkward and ask which bit of the Child Protection Act they are quoting.

Then I have the following press release printed out from the Information Commissioners office
http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/docume...list_guides/taking_photographs_in_schools.pdf



It Says (my bolding):

V2.0
01 December 2005. 1
Data Protection Good Practice Note
Taking Photographs in Schools

This Good Practice Guidance is aimed at Local Education Authorities and those
working within schools, colleges and universities. It gives advice on taking
photographs in educational institutions and whether doing so must comply with the
Data Protection Act 1998.
Recommended Good Practice
The Data Protection Act is unlikely to apply in many cases where photographs are
taken in schools and other educational institutions. Fear of breaching the provisions
of the Act should not be wrongly used to stop people taking photographs or videos
which provide many with much pleasure.

Where the Act does apply, a common sense approach suggests that if the
photographer asks for permission to take a photograph, this will usually be enough to
ensure compliance.
• Photos taken for official school use may be covered by the Act and pupils and
students should be advised why they are being taken.
• Photos taken purely for personal use are exempt from the Act.
Examples
Personal use:
• A parent takes a photograph of their child and some friends taking part in the
school Sports Day to be put in the family photo album. These images are for
personal use and the Data Protection Act does not apply.
• Grandparents are invited to the school nativity play and wish to video it. These
images are for personal use and the Data Protection Act does not apply.
Official school use:
• Photographs of pupils or students are taken for building passes. These images
are likely to be stored electronically with other personal data and the terms of
the Act will apply.
• A small group of pupils are photographed during a science lesson and the
photo is to be used in the school prospectus. This is unlikely to be personal
data and the Act wouldn’t apply.
Media use:
• A photograph is taken by a local newspaper of a school awards ceremony. As
long as the school has agreed to this, and the children and/or their guardians
are aware that photographs of those attending the ceremony may appear in the
newspaper, this will not breach the Act
Further Information
If you require any further information about this or any other aspect of Data Protection,
please contact us using the details below:
Web: www.ico.gov.uk
Email: mail@ico.gsi.gov.uk
Telephone: 01625 545700
 
Well it's going to be interesting for us parents with "Sports Days" coming up soon. Considering how many will be using camcorders, I wonder what their reaction will be with me turning up with a 70-200VR mounted to my camera :suspect:


I got a few funny looks at my sons sports day last year when i had the siggy 70-200 fitted on my D80, this coming from people using mobile phones to take pics. My sons school is pretty good regards taking pics, didnt get any complaints when i took the camera to a play he was in and i was using flash as well.
His sports day is coming up again soon and will use the 70-200 again.
 
When I was a lad we were allowed to play outside - all on our own :shake:

I don't believe you, there must have been a helicopter watching you that you couldn't see.

The estate I live on has one road in and out, I came home from work at about 3pm to see a child of about 4 walking on his own towards the main road so I stopped and watched for a minute to see if a parent was with him, they weren't so I got out and asked if he was lost, he burst into tears and said yes.

My wife then came round the corner and asked him if he knew where he lived, with an adult as reassurance he remembered the way home and she took him there, his mum had no idea he wasn't in bed where she'd put him, it was hot so the back door was open, he'd just walked down the stairs and out of the door.

The frightening thing was there must have been 10-15 cars that had driven past him without stopping, it's a truly appalling situation when adults will ignore a child walking towards a main road because they're worried about the repercussions of talking to a small child in public.
 
Good on you Wack.

This is a great example of how the level of paranoia is actually damaging the society we live in. Poor kid.

Russ
 
Good on you Wack.

Agreed. You did exactly what anyone should have done. We shouldn't worry about repercussions (what a great word!) because if we are doing the right things for the right reasons we will be fine and our conciences will be clear.


Steve.
 
Agreed. You did exactly what anyone should have done. We shouldn't worry about repercussions (what a great word!) because if we are doing the right things for the right reasons we will be fine and our conciences will be clear.


Steve.

Sadly while your concience might be clear, the parents and police might take a very different view of a bloke approaching a strange young child.
What if he wasn't lost, and ran off and told his parents he'd been approached by you? At best you could expect to be asked questions, at worst you could be branded a risk and drummed out of your house by your neighbours (it's happened before), thats probably why others had passed him by.
While I'd probably do the same, I'd be on the phone to plod before approaching him, covering my own back, I know it's sad, but it's the world we live in now.
 
I don't believe you, there must have been a helicopter watching you that you couldn't see.

The estate I live on has one road in and out, I came home from work at about 3pm to see a child of about 4 walking on his own towards the main road so I stopped and watched for a minute to see if a parent was with him, they weren't so I got out and asked if he was lost, he burst into tears and said yes.

My wife then came round the corner and asked him if he knew where he lived, with an adult as reassurance he remembered the way home and she took him there, his mum had no idea he wasn't in bed where she'd put him, it was hot so the back door was open, he'd just walked down the stairs and out of the door.

The frightening thing was there must have been 10-15 cars that had driven past him without stopping, it's a truly appalling situation when adults will ignore a child walking towards a main road because they're worried about the repercussions of talking to a small child in public.


I think there was a TV program a little while back with Esther Ranson looking at exactly this. There were 2 small children allowed to stand about in a packed shopping centre looking lost. IIRC it took nearly 40 mins for one child to be asked if he was OK yet many people clearly were aware of the child. Most questioned about why they didn't stop were concerned that if they approached the child they would be at risk of being accused of something. It's a mad world and we are all to blame :bang:

P.S. Good on you Wack61, I'll honestly don't know if I would have done the same. I like to think I would but then I live on my own and I can see the headlines now... Sad but true :shake:
 
i was at a relaxed free music festival this weekend the kids where loving it

i saw parents with there kids enjoying the music,potentialy some lovely happy people pics.i just didnt bother not in these times.it would be great to have the innocent days back ,instead of suspicion of things so innocent and normal.
 
Ive only ever had one issue.

Which was when I had permission to shoot some guys I train with (athletics) my old coach asked me to go down and look after them (as im quite experienced in the sport) + get some pics for them if possible.

All was fine bar one of the managers at the club who is a complete arrogant arse, (who aslo takes pics) but was clearly upset by me being there, espec with L glass tried to get me to leave. Luckily the club chairman said I was fine as i was well known :D
 
Sadly while your concience might be clear, the parents and police might take a very different view of a bloke approaching a strange young child.

Perhaps initially but if he was wandering around on his own, the parent should be grateful. If not and the parent calls the police and you point out the facts then the police willl be having a serious word with the parent, not you.

Always do what you think is the correct thing to do. I don't like the "I don't want to get involved" attitude some people have.

Steve.
 
While I'd probably do the same, I'd be on the phone to plod before approaching him, covering my own back, I know it's sad, but it's the world we live in now.

Re-reading your post, that's probably the best approach.


Steve.
 
I heard a story from a togger who had a security guard saying its illegal to shoot where he had got permission,the guard insisted he stopped and threatened to call the cops. the togger told him he wasn't stopping and to call the cops. a cop car arrived with two police officers had a quick chat to the togger and left letting him carry on taking his photos. the security guard was very embarressed and had to leave the area where the guy was shooting.granted the photos weren't of kids but still it think this applies so if they says its illegal let them call the cops, none of them will and if they do i dont think you'll be getting arrested too soon.
 
Sadly while your concience might be clear, the parents and police might take a very different view of a bloke approaching a strange young child.
What if he wasn't lost, and ran off and told his parents he'd been approached by you? At best you could expect to be asked questions, at worst you could be branded a risk and drummed out of your house by your neighbours (it's happened before), thats probably why others had passed him by.
While I'd probably do the same, I'd be on the phone to plod before approaching him, covering my own back, I know it's sad, but it's the world we live in now.

It is sad, very sad. Society seems to have got this issue totally out of proportion. The best way to protect kids from perverts is to jail the perverts for LIFE when they are caught, not try to "rehabilitate" them into the community.
 
It is sad, very sad. Society seems to have got this issue totally out of proportion. The best way to protect kids from perverts is to jail the perverts for LIFE when they are caught, not try to "rehabilitate" them into the community.

:plusone:
 
It is sad, very sad. Society seems to have got this issue totally out of proportion. The best way to protect kids from perverts is to jail the perverts for LIFE when they are caught, not try to "rehabilitate" them into the community.

Whilst I generally agree with punishment rather than rehabilitation there has been a study in the US where some convicted sex offenders voluntarily had a form of chemical castration which has had far greater affects on recidivism that any kind of punishment or rehabilitation as it acts to remove the impulse and urge.

This study was then the basis for several states utilising it as an eforcable act of the courts - in fact Poland are also considering using it
 
If I was going to do a lot of local kid's sport photography I would probably have a meeting with the Police Community Officer.

I'd explain whats going on for the season and ask if any complaints can be forwarded to him, get his details and print them on a card to give anybody who has concerns.

On a personal level, I'll take shots of my son wherever I want and would verbally and physically fight for this right, within the law though :naughty:
 
On a personal level, I'll take shots of my son wherever I want and would verbally and physically fight for this right, within the law though

I agree. Although the physically fighting bit is not within the law!


Steve.
 
It is sad, very sad. Society seems to have got this issue totally out of proportion. The best way to protect kids from perverts is to jail the perverts for LIFE when they are caught, not try to "rehabilitate" them into the community.

and cut their cocks off

same with thieves, chop off their hands - won't be doing that again
 
You need to have someone with a video camera follow you around as evedence of self defence!


Steve.

By the sounds of it, if there was a heated discussion, all the P&S, cameraphones and video cameras will be pointing at us, I don't start arguments but If I feel in danger of real physical attack or get attacked then the person causing this distress will very shortly realize this was a bad idea.

I work hard, strive to bring up my family in an responsible manner, choose (and pay for) to enjoy my free time as I wish and will not put up with AH's FULL STOP, I don't suffer ignorance lightly.
 
By the sounds of it, if there was a heated discussion, all the P&S, cameraphones and video cameras will be pointing at us, I don't start arguments but If I feel in danger of real physical attack or get attacked then the person causing this distress will very shortly realize this was a bad idea.

I work hard, strive to bring up my family in an responsible manner, choose (and pay for) to enjoy my free time as I wish and will not put up with AH's FULL STOP, I don't suffer ignorance lightly.

good call
 
I'm a parent of two young lads and if I'm at a sporting event and see people taking photos I don't have a problem with it. Perhaps I don't assume everyone is of heinous character. It's been blown immensely out of proportion imo.
 
A little simple piece of advice... get a High Vis vest that say's "Photographer" as a football tornament Tog it stops the silly questions..
 
I'm quite lucky being young, as I hardly get any trouble wherever I go, the occasional "chav" calls me wierd or a geek or whatever, and then they soon realise I'm not wierd just for having a camera though :lol:
 
I'm afraid "sensible" doesn't appear in many peoples vocabulary these days? :shrug: Just PC (politically correct) and how do I make a fast buck and make someone pay!

This isn't anything to do with political correctness, it's massive paranoia that everyone with a camera is a potential kiddie fiddler.
 
World has gone mad!!

Who was it that said if you can instill fear in people, then you can then control them???

When i venture out with my camera i get people come and ask what I'm doing (so fed up of it i cannot bring myself to even talk to them) I've a camera in hand and more often that not a bulky tripod, along with a bag with filters and extra glass, still they have to ask what i am doing.

For what it's worth i mostly shoot landscapes and low-light shots along the coast
 
I read these legal threads with interest, especially because of what I do for a living. It seems that most people (if not all) here have a healthy attitude to photography, and it's an attitude we need to keep up.

It's very easy to believe that "perverts are everywhere". I've met quite a few in my time, and I work in a very busy Central London borough. Thankfully, I can't think of any of them that were wandering the streets or taking long-distance photos of kiddies in parks. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it really isn't as common as people think. Most paedophiles I have met - including those with images - didn't take pictures themselves, and those that did didn't generally do it "out & about".

I can't change general attitudes, but I try to do my bit to reassure people.
 
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