Music gig in small pub

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Hello,

I've worked on the photography for a couple of charity gigs the past couple of months. They take place in a small pub, so it's quite dark. The first time I had my 400d, kit lens and a nifty 50, and I found I was struggling without my flashgun, so the majority of the shots were taken with the flash which i'm not a fan of as it looses the atmosphere. I was also getting bad noise at high ISOs. I went in the second time with some new equipment, a 5D, 70-200 2.8, and a Tamron 28-70 2.8. I was hoping with these 2.8 lenses I wouldn't have to rely on the flash, but unfortunately the light was really bad again. There wasn't any light on the subject's face, there were only a couple of lamps on the floor and that was pretty much it. I had to resort to my flashgun again.

Is there any way around this? I was up to 1600 ISO, but even the H setting it was telling me at 2.8 a suitable shutter was about 1/20th and I really didn't want to shoot that low handheld. As well as that, because it was so dark I had difficulty focusing, so all the shots were manual focused, and I found a lot were out of focus, despite trying my best focusing. It was difficult to tell when it was in focus and when it wasn't because it was so dark. I hear there's a focus beam that helps to focus? I find this will be really distracting though, the flashgun going off all through the night was bad enough!
 
If lighting is that bad, flash is the only option. Have you the chance to get it off camera? That may help and make things a little more natural.

If you have to keep the flash on cam, underexpose your flash, start with as low as it goes under the exposure (this is TTL btw) and then gradually increase until it gives just enough light to give you the result you want. Also flashgun could be tried on an angle, e.g. pointing upwards a little to stop it being so direct.

I have done this before, took a while to get a decent setting, but it did do the job. Someone might have a better solution, but it is worth a shot.
 
Hi. Yes I aimed my flash up towards the ceiling with the diffuser and card out to soften the light. I could try to set it up off camera, I have the equipment.
 
I recently shot a local gig in a small pub too. I found just putting the flash down to minimum power (1/64 in my case) and just going from there was enough to expose single members of the band without killing the atmosphere.
Obviously experimenting at the location will probably be best.
 
You said you started with a nifty 50 and it was to dark so then went to a 70=200 2.8?
I'm confused surley the 50 was at least a 1.8?
Why try a slower lens?
 
You said you started with a nifty 50 and it was to dark so then went to a 70=200 2.8?
I'm confused surley the 50 was at least a 1.8?
Why try a slower lens?

I was getting quite good results with the nifty fifty if I remember correctly, but it was still grainy on my 400D. Now i've lost the extra length that I got, i'm guessing it was around 60mm, because i've moved to full frame, so I didn't really use it this time. Makes me think a 85mm prime might be useful.

And I didn't go to a 70-200mm to replace the nifty, it was for other stuff too.
 
Hi John,
Welcome to the challenges of gig photography! My first advice would be for you to invest in a much faster lens, the 50mm 1.4 is pretty much essential. It gives you a couple of very important stops but even then you will struggle sometimes.
I don't like flash and a lot of venues/bands won't let you use them but turning the power well down will help. This is something you can practise at home witk some rigged up dim lighting.

Sometimes you can influence the lighting at small venues by politely speaking to the lighting guy! I have on a few occasions done this successfully, thye often don't relise how difficult ir can be. If not then you have do the best you can!

Cheers,

Dunc
 
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