well true - but then you can never absolutelty prove a negative - certainly the number known or thought by those that ought to know (like MI5) to support them is a very small proportion of the uk muslim population - and also as ghoti said earlier the total uk muslim population is only about 5% of total uk population , so they are outnumbered 19 to 1... so even if the whole of the UK muslims were in favour strict islamification (which they don't appear to be) the idea of such practices as whippings being ordered by the courts 'spreading here' is hysterical daily mail nonsense
Also as someone mentioned much earler on even AQ and ISIL don't actually sympathise with each other, with a bit of luck they may wind up spending much of their strength on fighting amongst themselves
You descend into typical hyperbole. Nobody has mentioned "whippings" nor even The Daily Mail Mail. It does you no credit and would be useful if you confined yourself to the point of debate.
All your post actually does is agree that your (or anybody else's claim) that the majority of Muslims do not sympathise with the jihadists cannot be proven. Of course the corollary to that is that nobody can prove they do…and therein lies the problem…the inability to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Indeed the last census (2011) does indicate that the Muslim population was 5% of the general population. However the actual numbers of persons declaring themselves to "Muslim" had risen by over 60% since 2001. The figure of 5% is almost certainly out of date. The ONS admits it has no up to date figures. The next census will make interesting reading.
Now given that the 2011 census put the general population at just over 59 million that equates to 2.95 million muslims. If just 0.1% (a %age off the top of my head, but seems reasonably small) of those have jihadist tendencies, or support jihadism in some way, that gives a figure of approx 3000. That figure is the equivalent of approx five battalions in the current British Army. (See I can do hyperbole as well). A lot more that the 1000 figure bandied about here.
I hesitate to mention the Pew Research Poll of 2007 (being an American organisation, and open to accusations of bias), but it did report that "only" 70% of British Muslims condemned outright, in all circumstances, the use of violence against civilians in defence of Islam. Now you may argue that 70% is a big number which it is. But it's hardly the "vast majority" that keeps being spoken about. and it still leaves 30% who do support violence in some circumstances. However NOP in 2006 found that almost 25% of British Muslims believed the 7/7 bombing were justified, so perhaps Pew wasn't so far off the mark.
With regards to AQ and IS, your hope for them fighting out between themselves is to devoutly to be wished for…as long as it's in Syria or Iraq or some other fly-blown part of the middle east, and not in the streets of Britain. But even in saying that it appears two of the French passport bearing murders, recently dispatched, had ties to AQ in the Yemen and the third apparently claims affiliation to IS. It seems to be emerging that, even if they were not acting in concert, they were heavily in communication to the tune of 500 phone calls. So it may well be your hopes will be dashed. Perhaps the Caliphate will have to come into being before settling who controls it.
Now, I've gone on longer than I intended, so that's my last word on the subject. There will be no further responses from me to any other posts on this threae, pointing out the errors in your arguments (not just your's Pete) is becoming exceedingly tedious, and i've better things to do…not least a bit of photography.
Cheers for the debate.
not even close
If you ask me,all of the politicians and leaders of europe and America knew this was on the cards years ago.We go and invade their countries killing people,meanwhile they are slowly coming in over here, and when an atrosity like this happens we are all supposed to be shocked.It`s almost laughable.
To be fair on the censoring ninja's at TP towers I guess you don't often get a URL with that kind of direct language in the title...