Moving to Dark Side

theres no problem with changing systems per se so long as theres a reason, (for example I changed from pentax to canon, when DSLRs were new, because there wasnt at the time a decent pentax DSLR) - before all the crap kicked off people were just suggesting that he might want to think it through as 'better AF' isnt in itself a good reason to change from one system to another as there are cameras in the canon fleet that deliver better AF performance than the 5d2

if thats the only reason then it seems a bit daft, because he's going to drop a lot of cash unecessarily. Of course at the end of the day its his money his choice but theres nothing wrong with suggesting he examine the motives for the decision.
 
Then again, if the AF speed and accuracy of his current kit isn't up to what he wants/needs (and aircraft demand fast and accurate AF), a kit upgrade may well be in order and if a different system offers a worthwhile improvement, he's probably well advised to make the switch if his budget allows!
 
big soft moose said:
theres no problem with changing systems per se so long as theres a reason, (for example I changed from pentax to canon, when DSLRs were new, because there wasnt at the time a decent pentax DSLR) - before all the crap kicked off people were just suggesting that he might want to think it through as 'better AF' isnt in itself a good reason to change from one system to another as there are cameras in the canon fleet that deliver better AF performance than the 5d2

if thats the only reason then it seems a bit daft, because he's going to drop a lot of cash unecessarily. Of course at the end of the day its his money his choice but theres nothing wrong with suggesting he examine the motives for the decision.
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The reason is...

He wants to. That's reason enough.
 
Phil Young said:
The reason is...

He wants to. That's reason enough.
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Absolutely ....and who said he was changing because he wanted improved AF? Not the OP!
 
Andy77 said:
Ok guys im selling all of my canon gear and going to try out the dark side me thinks, ill have a budget of £1500 for body a couple of lens, want a good body capable of good iso performance, fast fps ect, type of photography i do is portraits, landscapes, wildlife, airshows ect, so looking for 2 pieces of lass to cover these types of shooting if possible.

Advice would be greatly apprieciated

Thanks Andy
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I reckon the D7000 fit the bill best - it does everything you're asking. Compared to other bodies the buffer (in raw) might be less but it will probably be fine for what you're shooting and the advantages of the good sensor and good AF system will outweigh this I reckon. It also seems pretty weatherproof - mine is out in all conditions and I've yet to experience any issues. Battery life is excellent also and with an additional grip, it really does have a solid feel.

If you've got between £1500-£2000 I'd blow the majority on a decent long(ish) lens, something like a used 120-300mm f/2.8 Sigma (probably about £1100-£1200) or a 70-200mm VR1, which you should get used for £950. Then you can play around with the remaining change to decide on a 'walkabout' lens, something like a Tamron 170-50mm or if money does end up being tight, the reliable Nikon 18-70mm.
 
But would a D7000 and a kit change be as good or significantly better than just getting a 5diii? The buffer size on a D7000 isn't great. I rejected it for the sony as that did 20 shots rather than 10...Sony was half the money and the same sensor.

If the issues are one of focussing then I thought the 5diii is so much better than the 5dii?

D700 is also a rather miserly 12 mp. 5dii is 20 odd so you loose a massive amount of cropping potential.

I don't see the D700 or D7000 as being an improvement over the 5dii all things considered.

The D600 might be better than the 5dii. It's still a lot of cash to spend on a maybe. Whether it's better than a 5diii is another thing entirely.
 
Phil Young said:
The reason is...

He wants to. That's reason enough.
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sure if he really wants to thats fine - but he asked for advice, and the best advice in that situation is to examine why you want to before you blow a load of cash unnecessarily.

i.e what is it he wants that his current kit isnt giving him - without that information its impossible to say which nikon body would be best for him, or indeed whether he'd be better off sticking to canon and upgrading the body.

the worst possible outcome is he spunks £2k on changing systems, then realises that his photography is no better than it was before. In that circumstance he could easily think "i wish someone had given me a reality check before i spent all that money" - and that is what various posters here were trying to acheive , before it all went into a downward spiral of people arguing for the sake of it
 
srichards said:
But would a D7000 and a kit change be as good or significantly better than just getting a 5diii? The buffer size on a D7000 isn't great. I rejected it for the sony as that did 20 shots rather than 10...Sony was half the money and the same sensor.

If the issues are one of focussing then I thought the 5diii is so much better than the 5dii?

D700 is also a rather miserly 12 mp. 5dii is 20 odd so you loose a massive amount of cropping potential.

I don't see the D700 or D7000 as being an improvement over the 5dii all things considered.

The D600 might be better than the 5dii. It's still a lot of cash to spend on a maybe. Whether it's better than a 5diii is another thing entirely.
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Probably not, but he seems set on moving to Nikon and with that in mind (and nothing else) I'm offering up my opinion of what I believe to be the best 'bang-for-buck' Nikon body, plus two lenses, within his budget. Not Sony. Not Canon. Not everything else.

I have my opinion on whether or not a move is logical, but we're not addressing the logic of the move, just to best way to get into Nikon. That needs to be remembered...
 
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big soft moose said:
sure if he really wants to thats fine - but he asked for advice, and the best advice in that situation is to examine why you want to before you blow a load of cash unnecessarily.

i.e what is it he wants that his current kit isnt giving him - without that information its impossible to say which nikon body would be best for him, or indeed whether he'd be better off sticking to canon and upgrading the body.

the worst possible outcome is he spunks £2k on changing systems, then realises that his photography is no better than it was before. In that circumstance he could easily think "i wish someone had given me a reality check before i spent all that money" - and that is what various posters here were trying to acheive , before it all went into a downward spiral of people arguing for the sake of it
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100%... no in fact infinity % this!

So the OP says he wants to switch to Nikon and a few people say 'maybe a 5D MK III' might be better... suddenly the TP mafia jump in with "WOAHHH hold on he didn't say anything about upgrading to another Canon... how dare you mention it!!!!" :bonk:

Seriously some people need to get a grip! The Canon upgrade was mentioned in order to be helpful... the OP didn't give much info so it's great people have offered advice on BOTH sides of the coin.

The attitude of some people on here is shocking at times... if people kick off whenever someone posts something helpful then they'll just stop posting. The OP has been given some great advice on both Nikon AND Canon options... what's the problem? :shrug:
 
gramps said:
The way 'advice' is given, just re-read a few of the posts!
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Yeah but I can see that on both sides though tbh... I'm more on about people saying 'he didn't ask that' etc with regards upgrading.

Just seems a lot of the time people on here have a set way of thinking and if anyone brings up an alternative to their opinion it all kicks off, or they out shout people so their opinions become 'fact' even if they are wrong, or only part right.

I think all feedback should be allowed and taken in good grace... I highly doubt anyone on here means to be rude but a lot of the time it comes across like that (from both Canon & Nikon users).
 
ajax_andy said:
I highly doubt anyone on here means to be rude
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Sorry but I say again, just re-read some of the posts!
It's fine to question if someone is making the right decision and suggesting a different solution but responding with, for example, "more money than sense" is neither helpful or anything other than rude.
Some people here need to try to develop some social skills.
 
gramps said:
Sorry but I say again, just re-read some of the posts!
It's fine to question if someone is making the right decision and suggesting a different solution but responding with, for example, "more money than sense" is neither helpful or anything other than rude.
Some people here need to try to develop some social skills.
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No I appreciate what you're saying and like I said it's both sides of the fence I'm talking about with regards that.

I'm more talking about people jumping on anyone who mentions upgrading to the 5D MK III just because the OP didn't mention it in his post. All input (except maybe the one you pointed out and a few others) should be welcomed, and just because the OP doesn't mention it doesn't mean someone shouldn't recommend it. After all IMO it was a very helpful piece of advice.
 
neil_g said:
i think people getting the hump on behalf of the OP is worse to be honest.
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I'd call it *in addition to*.

You get angry on a bus when somebody starts on someone else and the bus ceases to move??

No difference here. The attitude of some is seriously peeing off others because it's ALWAYS turned into a canon vs nikon or we place our own restrictions and reservations on others as human beings.

It's pathetic- if someone wants to change camps for WHATEVER reason, there's no need to question it. He stated that's what he wants to do, end of.

No need to question him about why's and give a hard time, he's already told us he wants to give another brand a go.

I think a logical question would be "what did you like and dislike about the 5D2 and what are you looking for in a body/lens combo".
 
Phil Young said:
I'd call it *in addition to*.

You get angry on a bus when somebody starts on someone else and the bus ceases to move??

No difference here. The attitude of some is seriously peeing off others because it's ALWAYS turned into a canon vs nikon or we place our own restrictions and reservations on others as human beings.

It's pathetic- if someone wants to change camps for WHATEVER reason, there's no need to question it. He stated that's what he wants to do, end of.

No need to question him about why's and give a hard time, he's already told us he wants to give another brand a go.

I think a logical question would be "what did you like and dislike about the 5D2 and what are you looking for in a body/lens combo".
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Maybe he hadn't considered the 5D MK III... you're second guessing him / her as much as the person who mentioned it.

There is literally no harm in someone offering it as a suggestion. The OP can do what ever they please with the information :thumbs:
 
Phil Young said:
It's pathetic- if someone wants to change camps for WHATEVER reason, there's no need to question it. He stated that's what he wants to do, end of.

No need to question him about why's and give a hard time, he's already told us he wants to give another brand a go.

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He also said ' any advice appreciated - as far as i can see the OP hasnt got upset about the advice offered at all - its just third parties getting upset on his behalf :shrug:
 
or he could have just not checked back yet :shrug:

lets get back to the actual thread topic instead of discussing who should or shouldnt have said what
 
gramps said:
He hasn't been here since yesterday lunchtime, probably regrets asking!
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+1

I don't get why some are dragging this on through the mud.

The guy asked for specific suggestions about moving to another brand. Either help him out with that, or leave it!
 
Cagey75 said:
+1

I don't get why some are dragging this on through the mud.

The guy asked for specific suggestions about moving to another brand. Either help him out with that, or leave it!
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I don't get why so many people are determined to have an argument rather than help the OP - those suggesting he consider all the options are helping him - so maybe we could all get back to his question ?
 
big soft moose said:
I don't get why so many people are determined to have an argument rather than help the OP - those suggesting he consider all the options are helping him - so maybe we could all get back to his question ?
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You can go around in circles all you want, but it's just not helping the OP. If he wanted suggestions on sticking to one brand, he'd have included that in his first post. Why can't people just keep it simple on here? honestly.
 
Cagey75 said:
You can go around in circles all you want, but it's just not helping the OP. If he wanted suggestions on sticking to one brand, he'd have included that in his first post. Why can't people just keep it simple on here? honestly.
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I'll say it again my post was helpful to the OP as it covered both the thought that he could get what he wanted without changing brand, and advice on lenses etc if he did decide to change brand at the end of the day.

I've never said it was not his choice, just that he might want to consider all the options - why that is such a problem for some people escapes me.

Its a real shame that people can't use the energy and time they put into getting offended on the OPs behalf into more helpful pursuits - like actually helping him with his enquiry
 
I didn't aim my post at anyone in particular, don't know why you're taking it as such? Just a general comment, I don't see why some are wasting their energy recommending options OP didn't ask for?

I think Laudrup is right ...
 
big soft moose said:
I'll say it again my post was helpful to the OP as it covered both the thought that he could get what he wanted without changing brand, and advice on lenses etc if he did decide to change brand at the end of the day.

I've never said it was not his choice, just that he might want to consider all the options - why that is such a problem for some people escapes me.

Its a real shame that people can't use the energy and time they put into getting offended on the OPs behalf into more helpful pursuits - like actually helping him with his enquiry
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Exactly mate... you posted something helpful that maybe the OP hadn't considered. Not sure what the big deal is.
 
ajax_andy said:
Exactly mate... you posted something helpful that maybe the OP hadn't considered. Not sure what the big deal is.
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How exactly?

The OP "is selling his Canon gear"
 
Phil Young said:
I love the insult to the ops intelligence lol.

As if he wouldn't have thought to get a 5D2...
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How is that 'insulting their intelligence'? It's a helpful comment not an insulting one.

Honest to god the mind boggles it really does!

Do you really think the OP is going to be so outraged by the suggestion of a MK III that they'll storm off in a huff never to grace this forum again or something?

I don't know why anyone asks for help on here sometimes as there's some right ego's on here.

Just let people offer their suggestions and if the OP doesn't like them I'm sure they'll just disregard them
 
ajax_andy said:
Just let people offer their suggestions and if the OP doesn't like them I'm sure they'll just disregard them
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exactly - and lets leave it to the OP to decide whats helpful instead of people getting needlessly wound up on their behalf
 
ajax_andy said:
How is that 'insulting their intelligence'? It's a helpful comment not an insulting one.

Honest to god the mind boggles it really does!

Do you really think the OP is going to be so outraged by the suggestion of a MK III that they'll storm off in a huff never to grace this forum again or something?

I don't know why anyone asks for help on here sometimes as there's some right ego's on here.

Just let people offer their suggestions and if the OP doesn't like them I'm sure they'll just disregard them
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I just don't think the OP was read clearly.
 
Andy77 said:
Ok guys im selling all of my canon gear and going to try out the dark side me thinks, ill have a budget of £1500 for body a couple of lens, want a good body capable of good iso performance, fast fps ect, type of photography i do is portraits, landscapes, wildlife, airshows ect, so looking for 2 pieces of lass to cover these types of shooting if possible.

Advice would be greatly apprieciated

Thanks Andy
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Looking at your camera bag I'm guessing you are looking to keep back some money from selling it all?

A used D3 could be picked up for about £1,100 and you'll get 9fps, awesome AF, great battery life, weatherproofing for when outside and excellent ISO performance.

Used 85mm 1.8 for portraits for about £220 perhaps
Used 80-200mm 2.8 AF-S (must be AF-S) for your wildlife and airshows for about £750 (if lucky!)

Opps, I'm over budget and we haven't even got to landscapes.

I think there's too many different types of photography to cover with the specs you require and with a budget of £2K.
 
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Canon or Nikon
 
gman said:
I think there's too many different types of photography to cover with the specs you require and with a budget of £2K.
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Does it have to be full frame though? The D7000 for example would meet the requirements and can be had for as little as £400 these days. Add a grip to get the FPS up a bit, maybe £50. Portraits, wildlife and airshows could all be accomplished very nicely with say, a Sigma 70-200 2.8 and a 2x tele converter, £500 all in. Landscapes depends on style but to cover most bases, maybe a 16-85 vr for £300. That's £1250 total....
 
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I suggested that on page 1.

D7000, tamron 17-50, sigma 70-200. Great package, covers most types of shooting.

And yes, you can get those lenses on Canon and other mounts, but he specifically asked about Nikon, and considering his budget, that's what I would go with.
 
How does the D7000 ISO performance stack up against the full frames though? On paper there's quite a jump, but I've never compared the two myself. The D7000 does look like a good option though, especially as someone has mentioned it does ok in the weather.
 
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