Moving house with tropical fish

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Planning to move house.

Has anyone moved with tropical fish? We will empty the tanks, pop the fish into tubs & heat them in some way. Not entirely sure how to keep the bio-cultures alive for the journey of possibly around 12 hours plus. Total fish out of tank may be 2 days from tank to tank.

Thinking of battery air pumps to pump through media bags?
 
I have, but only moved down the road so not an issue, didnt need heaters or air pumps. Not much help really!

You want to be trying to take roughly 40 -50% of the water you already have so that at the far end when you refill the tanks you can use "mature" water for roughly half the fill. The fish should then be ok being put back into it. After all a 50% water change at home, they can take, generally speaking. Also the water parameters at the far end may be quite different to what you have presently, ph level, "hardness" etc which may stress the fish a bit getting used to it. So as much of the original water as you can take is probably for the best.

As you say for 12 hours you are going to need heaters(dependant on time of year) and possibly air pumps. Also your filter media active bacteria may die off I suspect without the water flow so at the other end you may have to treat the setup as a new tank for filter purposes. The 50% of already mature water should help that kick off quickly though I imagine. Dismantling your filter and keeping the media in some of the mature water as you transport may also help.

If I were you I'd be googling aquatic forums for specialist advice.

EDIT just had a google they all trot out the same stuff basically but worth a look at the whole process. Put the fish in a plastic bag with 25% water, 75% air, seal the bags with elastic band and store in styrofoam crates.. Not too many fish per bag. They then go on to say aerate the water. Er, how if all the fish are in loads of sealed bags?
 
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Get some polystyrene boxes from your local fish shop, will keep the water warmer for longer.
I used them years ago when I moved from glasgow to Newcastle.
 
Thanks Keith, I'd prefer to stay away from aquatic forums... :banghead:

We will make a special trip to test the water at our "plan A" house, to compare hardness & pH.

I have Discus & my wife breeds Betta.Splendens. Its going to be quite an operation. I'm thinking we may need to hire a camper-van to give us power for the heaters, but I'm not sure how much we can draw from the batteries. If we have power, we can run the filters in buckets of water seeded with ammonia to keep the bio-culture going.

Anyone know about camper-vans? We could hire a van with a generator, but the ferry company won't want us running it during the crossing.
 
Get some polystyrene boxes from your local fish shop, will keep the water warmer for longer.
I used them years ago when I moved from glasgow to Newcastle.

Thanks Robert, we have poly boxes as my wife sells fish. We also have heat packs. Boxes & heat packs can work for 24 hours, but 2 days is pushing it. The Bettas would probably survive it, but the Discus are more sensitive.
 
Finicky fish like discus are going to be quite a challenge I expect. I wish you luck!

May be worth contacting a large public aquarium type place for advice? Or the places that sell tropical fish to the shops, they must transport the fish large distances successfully.
 
I've never tried this, but I'm tempted to suggest squeezing out your sponge filters into a tupperware style tub along with any solid media and chilling the culture for transport. Cold water holds more oxygen, and chilling the cultures will slow them down. Then when you restock use clean sponge filters and inoculate the system with the retained culture, and use reasonably big water changes (10% daily or 15% every other day) for a week or two after you're set up again.

Why the 2-day gap before the fish go back into the tank? - get them back into the *cleaned* (rinsed out, bare bottom) tank with 50% retained water, the heaters and pumps running ASAP and then rebuild the aquascaping when you've got time.


I've moved tanks several times, but always had the fish back in the tank within 4 hrs.
 
Thanks, I will call my Discus supplier.

Worth noting that shops usually import direct from the Far East. There is a big loss of the fish during transportation & then further losses after they've arrived. Aquatic stores are unfortunately the worst places to ask. However the local breeders are the good guys & I'm sure they will have some tips.

I'll make a thread about camper vans. It would be nice to know how much power I can draw.
 
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Finicky fish like discus are going to be quite a challenge I expect. I wish you luck!

May be worth contacting a large public aquarium type place for advice? Or the places that sell tropical fish to the shops, they must transport the fish large distances successfully.
Only thing discus need is clean warm water and good food ... give them that and they are easy to keep. :)

Thanks, I will call my Discus supplier.

Worth noting that shops usually import direct from the Far East. There is a big loss of the fish during transportation & then further losses after they've arrived. Aquatic stores are unfortunately the worst places to ask. However the local breeders are the good guys & I'm sure they will have some tips.

I'll make a thread about camper vans. It would be nice to know how much power I can draw.
Keith (@DorsetDude ) pointed me here from your motorhome thread ... Not sure where you get your info from or who your discus supplier is (suspect Steve Punchard given you are in IOM) but proper importers of discus lose very few if any. I've handled a number of imports directly from Malaysia and Brazil with zero losses due to shipping. I've also shipped discus to shows as well as to folk who have bought from me, again without losses.

Discus are easy to ship, they really are, provided you do it right. Assuming these are adult or near adult then start by not feeding them for three days prior to moving, this will give them time to purge themselves so reducing any waste. You will need enough poly boxes to take the fish and enough strong polythene bags. The bags should be the thicker type of polythene as discus have sharp dorsal spines. You should double bag each discus separately and ideally put a liner between each bag, i.e. put the bag with the fish in in another bag that has a liner in it. If you don't have the thick polythene liners then use paper (newspaper etc) folded up. The liner has several purposes, the main one being to protect the outer bag from being pierced with the fishes spines.

When you come to bag the fish use clean water in the bags, don't use tank water. Use water that is of a similar temp to the tank, but be careful not to get it too warm - water holds more O2 the cooler it is. Place enough water to just cover the fish and if in doubt use less rather than more water. As a rough guide you want 2/3rds air to 1/3rd water in each bag, if you have access to oxygen then so much the better, but of not trap air in the bag (don't blow in it as your breath has low O2) and seal with an elastic band or two. Put each bag in the poly box and when the box is full seal the lid. Given it is summer I wouldn't use any heat packs. If you do, use one per box, tape it to the lid of the box and make sure there is a hole in the lid where the heat pack is - the hole only needs to be a millimetre or two wide, just enough to let air get to the heat pack.

They should be safe in there for 36 to 48 hours, if you use O2 that could extend to 72 hours.

When you come to un-bag them, don't bother with any of the floating nonsense, just empty the water from the bag and slide the fish into their new home, believe me the water in the tank will be way better for them than the stuff in the bag. Just make sure that the tank water temp isn't too high as the temp of the bag water will be low. I typically get the water to around 23/24C and then let the tank heater get the temp back up to discus temps (28C btw ...).

Adult discus may sulk for a while after moving them, but be patient and they usually come around.

Hope that helps.
 
I was referring to general tropical fish about losses, not Discus.
It wasn't clear from your previous post, in one breath you mention Discus Supplier and then state multiple losses ... no matter though. fwiw I'd ship the beta's separately too, even though it may be a pita (depends how many I guess) - if you ship multiple fish per bag/bucket and one dies it will rapidly pollute the water and then the rest will soon follow.

If the tank rebuild is likely to take a day or two, use a rub as a temporary tank (I've done this many times), they always come in useful and go up to 150 (ish) litres which is usable even for discus in an emergency. http://www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk/uk/html/onlineshop/rub/b84_0litre.php and http://www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk/uk/html/onlineshop/rub/b145_0litre.php

The way I ship media is to make sure I've rinsed any crud off of it, let it drain, but not go dry. Then place in poly bags and seal the bags with some air or ideally O2 in. Usually stays active for many days that way and can be re-used as soon as the tank (temp or main) is ready for it.
 

I think Keith meant that instead of thanking someone who knows what they're talking about for taking the time to give a thorough and detailed reply, you've instead objected to his apparently misunderstanding you when you've not made clear what you were talking about. Gratitude is an attitude that goes a long way.
 
Over the years I've found that fish keepers rarely know what they are talking about so I tend to ignore anything from a fish keeper on any forum. (I've kept fish for 87 years yap yap yap). If Keith doesn't keep fish, he probably doesn't realise what rubbish is sprouted by fish keepers. Sorry Toni. It's the reason I didn't ask the question on a fish forum. A bunch of togs with some common sense were bound to come up with better tips. As has indeed happened. Great advice from the other thread that is truly useful, thinking-outside-the-box type of stuff.
 
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It sounded to me like Paul was talking from professional experience, rather than as a hobbyist. I hope your fish survive, whatever advice you choose to follow.
 
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