Motorway middle-lane hoggers to face on-the-spot fines

[ZoneV]

Have you actually read any of it? Complete drivel.

Just the usual suspects causing trouble, being pedantic and trying to antagonise people - oh and don't forget the people who are either utterly stupid or trying to play up to the audience.

Give us a kiss.

 

[Marc]

Have you actually read any of it? Complete drivel.

Just the usual suspects causing trouble, being pedantic and trying to antagonise people - oh and don't forget the people who are either utterly stupid or trying to play up to the audience.

So you disagree with what people have said? Do you post your own opinion/point of view? No, you post purely to insult others and accuse them of being stupid and antagonistic. Quite the irony given that your post is probably the most antagonistic in this thread.

 

[nilagin]

The closing speed is quicker, and in your scenario you're describing a car effectively appearing out of no where if I've read it correctly.

If someone pulls out in front of someone they can clearly see, no matter what, it's likely to fall into the careless and inconsiderate bag. This is different to lane hogging though would you not agree?

I agree this is different from lane hogging, but that wasn't the issue that I had quoted.
So what you are saying is obeying the speed limit is careless and inconsiderate whilst speeding isn't.

 

[odd jim]

One was making the point that the almost total absence of Traffic police is the main reason for falling driving standards.

One was also making an observation that your comment on mobile phone usage was so totally untrue that one wonders of you have the remotest understanding of what happens in the real world.

Stand at the side of any main road and see how many folk use their mobile phones whilst driving.

All these answers are of course dependent on how I determined your "Eh" and "Me" responses!

It's untrue that mobile phone usage is policed??

I certainly give them a ticket when I see it, so how is it untrue? I also know there aren't enough police, especially traffic cops such as myself, to be there everytime someone picks up a phone whilst driving, which is why I said "police can only do so much".

So yes, I do understand what happens in the real world.

Don't be so patronising in future please, especially when you don't know your audience.

 

[Dale_tem]

I agree this is different from lane hogging, but that wasn't the issue that I had quoted.
So what you are saying is obeying the speed limit is careless and inconsiderate whilst speeding isn't.

If you pull out in front of someone causing a crash, you are driving without due care and attention, speed doesn't matter.

 

[bl0at3r]

So you disagree with what people have said? Do you post your own opinion/point of view? No, you post purely to insult others and accuse them of being stupid and antagonistic. Quite the irony given that your post is probably the most antagonistic in this thread.

Yes I do disagree, and yes I did, my opinion/point of view is that this thread is full of people who either have no common sense in their interpretation or they are just winding others up.

No irony here but hey, I'd better not speak out in case a moderator tells me off for having an opinion.

 

[odd jim]

I agree this is different from lane hogging, but that wasn't the issue that I had quoted.
So what you are saying is obeying the speed limit is careless and inconsiderate whilst speeding isn't.

No that's not what I was saying. Why did you interpret it as that?

 

[ZoneV]

I agree this is different from lane hogging, but that wasn't the issue that I had quoted.
So what you are saying is obeying the speed limit is careless and inconsiderate whilst speeding isn't.

No what he (and I, and others) are saying is:

a) speeding is irresponsible.

and

b) pulling out in front of someone you should have seen is irresponsible.

 

[Mikesphotaes]

It's untrue that mobile phone usage is policed??

I certainly give them a ticket when I see it, so how is it untrue? I also know there aren't enough police, especially traffic cops such as myself, to be there everytime someone picks up a phone whilst driving.

So yes, I do understand what happens in the real world.

Don't be so patronising in future please.

Absolutely untrue that mobile phone usage is being policed in any effective manner.

As for your patronising comment, please reply with more than "Eh" and "Me" and I may understand your comments!

 

[nilagin]

No that's not what I was saying. Why did you interpret it as that?

Probably where you said the blame would lay with the person pulling out to overtake in front of a speeding car. :shrug:

 

[Dale_tem]

Probably where you said the blame would lay with the person pulling out to overtake in front of a speeding car. :shrug:

Because it would.

 

[nilagin]

If you pull out in front of someone causing a crash, you are driving without due care and attention, speed doesn't matter.

And the time it takes for you to use all your mirrors double checking to see that car travelling at 120 mph coming up behind you, your eyes have been off the road ahead too long and you've probably just rear ended the car in front because he's slammed his brakes on and you haven't seen it in time.

 

[Dale_tem]

And the time it takes for you to use all your mirrors double checking to see that car travelling at 120 mph coming up behind you, your eyes have been off the road ahead too long and you've probably just rear ended the car in front because he's slammed his brakes on and you haven't seen it in time.

Perhaps you shouldn't be driving if you are unable to monitor the traffic in front of you and look in your mirrors at the same time.

Peripheral vision? Even looking in a mirror you can see the car in front braking

 

[nilagin]

Perhaps you shouldn't be driving if you are unable to monitor the traffic in front of you and look in your mirrors at the same time.

Peripheral vision? Even looking in a mirror you can see the car in front braking

All I can say is you've been lucky enough to drive in an ideal world every time you go out in your car. There are many instances where your perfect driving could fail, even though you've done everything to prevent it. It only takes one small thing to upset a perfect manoeuvre and the after effects can be compounded.

 

[Dale_tem]

All I can say is you've been lucky enough to drive in an ideal world every time you go out in your car. There are many instances where your perfect driving could fail, even though you've done everything to prevent it. It only takes one small thing to upset a perfect manoeuvre and the after effects can be compounded.

I don't drive in an ideal world, I pay attention.

Most crashes on the motorway (if not most of all crashes) are caused by not paying attention. It is often 2 people not paying attention, if one of them was paying attention, then one of them would of been able to avoid the situation.

Some being an idiot doing 120mph can be avoided, most idiots can be avoided.

 

[big soft moose]

okay - different question

Is this legislation going to apply to idiots who hog lane 2 on dual carriageways as well ? I encountered an absolute classic case of this earlier on the A38 approaching haldon , where some absolute twerp was driving at about 40mph in lane 2, with the inside lane completely clear in front of him.

After sitting behind him wondering what the actual **** was going on I, and the four cars behind me (all of whom had come up lane 2 overtaking a line of lorries which had slowed down for the hill), decided to undertake him - at this point he flashed his lights and made 'that' hand gesture :shake:

You have to wonder :shrug:

 

[odd jim]

Absolutely untrue that mobile phone usage is being policed in any effective manner.

As for your patronising comment, please reply with more than "Eh" and "Me" and I may understand your comments!

Who said it was being policed effectively? I didn't, no one else did. All I I can say is that it's dealt with when it's seen, hat means its being policed. Especially as nationally it's classes as one of the "fatal four" offences.

I think we all know there aren't enough cops around to police it effectively, but it doesn't mean it's not policed, there is a huge difference.

And your post before didn't warrant any more than a "eh, me?" response, sorry. Maybe you should be clearer and more direct?

 

[odd jim]

Probably where you said the blame would lay with the person pulling out to overtake in front of a speeding car. :shrug:

Ok you've missed my point.

 

[Dale_tem]

He was probably turning right at some point. Lol

 

[Mikesphotaes]

Who said it was being policed effectively? I didn't, no one else did. All I I can say is that it's dealt with when it's seen, that's being policed. Especially as nationally it's classes as one of the "fatal four" offences.

I think we all know there aren't enough cops around to police it effectively, but it doesn't mean it's not policed, there is a huge difference.

And your post before didn't warrant any more than a "eh, me?" response, sorry. Maybe you should be clearer and more direct?

Huge difference indeed, "policed" meaning not a lot at all!

 

[big soft moose]

He was probably turning right at some point. Lol

not on that stretch - theres no right turn on the east bound carriage way for some considerable distance

I think he thought the limit was 40 (either that or his speedo as reading waay wrong) but that still doesnt explain what he was doing pootling along in lane 2

Bloody dangerous in that stretch as well as there are several blind corners , and someone who was driving with less alertness than me , could easily have stacked it into the back of him

I got his plate, and phoned the cops on my hands free to report him - so with a bit of luck he'll have got done for driving with due care/obstructing the traffic or other offence that covers being a major league dick head

 

[boliston]

okay - different question

Is this legislation going to apply to idiots who hog lane 2 on dual carriageways as well ? I encountered an absolute classic case of this earlier on the A38 approaching haldon , where some absolute twerp was driving at about 40mph in lane 2, with the inside lane completely clear in front of him......

I guess the main difference between dual carriageways and motorways is that d/c sometimes have right turns whereas I cannot think of many m-ways that have a right turn, so a d/c will sometimes have people in lane 2 who simply want to turn right rather than actually overtake.

 

[Matt]

lorries dont go faster than 56mph, so at 70mph you have to go in and out like a ****ing yoyo when its busy, while a lot of people drive at speeds in excess of 70mph anyway!

it will be hard to police

that said, on my journey to work today, i counted at least 10 cars mooching along in the middle when they could have easily been in the left lane. A cool £1000 for the coffers if a good way of catching the hoggers is found.

 

[odd jim]

Huge difference indeed, "policed" meaning not a lot at all!

Some is better than none.

One day all we hear is all police concentrate on is persecuting the innocent motorist, the next they don't police it at all!

 

[Marc]

Yes I do disagree, and yes I did, my opinion/point of view is that this thread is full of people who either have no common sense in their interpretation or they are just winding others up.

No irony here but hey, I'd better not speak out in case a moderator tells me off for having an opinion.

Grow up!

 

[seriousrikk]

Yes I do disagree, and yes I did, my opinion/point of view is that this thread is full of people who either have no common sense in their interpretation or they are just winding others up.

No irony here but hey, I'd better not speak out in case a moderator tells me off for having an opinion.

Either / Or

Which are you then?

 

[joescrivens]

Have you actually read any of it? Complete drivel.

Just the usual suspects causing trouble, being pedantic and trying to antagonise people - oh and don't forget the people who are either utterly stupid or trying to play up to the audience.

you're right.

The complete opposite to your posts which have been full of wisdom and great knowledge in this thread

 

[u8myufo]

lorries dont go faster than 56mph, so at 70mph you have to go in and out like a ****ing yoyo when its busy, while a lot of people drive at speeds in excess of 70mph anyway!

it will be hard to police

that said, on my journey to work today, i counted at least 10 cars mooching along in the middle when they could have easily been in the left lane. A cool £1000 for the coffers if a good way of catching the hoggers is found.

Sorry Matt, some lorries can and do go much faster than 56mph, forget those little stickers that say they are governed. Anyhow here is how not to overtake



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[Gremlin]

And the time it takes for you to use all your mirrors double checking to see that car travelling at 120 mph coming up behind you, your eyes have been off the road ahead too long and you've probably just rear ended the car in front because he's slammed his brakes on and you haven't seen it in time.

Surely in fast moving traffic on a motorway you should be aware of everything that is going on around you :shrug:
Which means checking mirrors and looking ahead all the time so you know where other vehicles are if you need to change lanes etc.
Undertaking seems to be a fact of life these days, possibly caused by lane hoggers, (I've had impatient drivers pull into the inside lane to pass because they won't wait for the outside lane to clear, which is what I am doing), if I moved into that lane, say to exit motorway, without being aware of what was happening who's fault would it be if I hit them as they were in my blind spot in lane that had been clear for ages :shrug:

Perhaps you shouldn't be driving if you are unable to monitor the traffic in front of you and look in your mirrors at the same time.
Peripheral vision? Even looking in a mirror you can see the car in front braking

 

[antihero]

Surely in fast moving traffic on a motorway you should be aware of everything that is going on around you :shrug:

Definitely. In fact this should be the case wherever you are driving, no matter what speed you are doing imho.

 

[boliston]

....... (I've had impatient drivers pull into the inside lane to pass because they won't wait for the outside lane to clear, which is what I am doing), if I moved into that lane, say to exit motorway, without being aware of what was happening who's fault would it be if I hit them as they were in my blind spot in lane that had been clear for ages :shrug:

You would definitely be at fault if you moved into a different lane without checking your "blind spot" and hit a car that was already in that lane.

 

[Gremlin]

You would definitely be at fault if you moved into a different lane without checking your "blind spot" and hit a car that was already in that lane.

Undoubtedly. but that doesn't make it right if they had moved there for the soul purpose of undertaking :bang: I've seen it happen
Hence needing to be aware of what is going on around you at all times and what vehicles are in your immediate vicinity.

 

[SpikeK6]

Surely in fast moving traffic on a motorway you should be aware of everything that is going on around you :shrug:
Which means checking mirrors and looking ahead all the time so you know where other vehicles are if you need to change lanes etc.
Undertaking seems to be a fact of life these days, possibly caused by lane hoggers, (I've had impatient drivers pull into the inside lane to pass because they won't wait for the outside lane to clear, which is what I am doing), if I moved into that lane, say to exit motorway, without being aware of what was happening who's fault would it be if I hit them as they were in my blind spot in lane that had been clear for ages :shrug:

This is what it is trying to stop though, same as middle lane hoggers if the outside lane is full of traffic but the inside lane is clear then surely that is lane hogging too in a sense.
Also if people where not hogging the center lane the outside lane would not be blocked and the center lane clear.
People will undertake till this gets sorted one way or another, its going to take a while to hopefully change the mentality of driving ways but hopefully it will work.
And as said you should be aware of what is going on around you at all times, specially if the traffiic is heavy.

 

[Dale_tem]

In most cases, if you are undertaken, YOU are in the wrong lane.

If you were in the correct lane, you couldn't be undertaken.

 

[Tringa]

The thing that surprised me about these new measures is that middle lane hogging will incur an on the spot fine while using a mobile will just see an increase in the fixed penalty notice.

I consider using a mobile while driving far more dangerous than hogging the middle lane.

Dave

 

[PatrickO]

The thing that surprised me about these new measures is that middle lane hogging will incur an on the spot fine while using a mobile will just see an increase in the fixed penalty notice.

I consider using a mobile while driving far more dangerous than hogging the middle lane.

Dave

Middle lane driving is a bit annoying , but not really a dangerous activity if other drivers act reasonably.

 

[Dave *]

The thing that surprised me about these new measures is that middle lane hogging will incur an on the spot fine while using a mobile will just see an increase in the fixed penalty notice.

I'm pretty sure all of these offences announced will be subject to an FPN.

 

[Dale_tem]

Middle lane driving is a bit annoying , but not really a dangerous activity if other drivers act reasonably.

It is dangerous, one on their own isn't but the number on the roads causing queues in the fast lane leading to drivers taking chances, getting angry, not paying attention etc.

 

[ljphil78]

likewise moving over for junctions isnt hogging so long as you move back once you've pased the junction

Sorry but why are you moving Into the middle lane for going past a junction? The traffic joining the motorway is supposed to filter in with the traffic already on the motorway by adjusting there speed

 

[DorsetDude]

The traffic joining the motorway is supposed to filter in with the traffic already on the motorway by adjusting there speed

<sigh> Yes and thats fine, but if you do have space to pull out without inconveniencing other drivers, most considerate drivers, I think, will pull out.
I do, and if im joining on a slip road I appreciate it when other drivers do for me.
If they don't I am still capable of filtering in but if they do pull out its is easier.
Common sense again.