Motorcycle accident & a plea for young riders

and the ribble valley mp nigel whatever his name is , said it shows just how dangerous the a59 (? ) is ,,no its not the road nigel its the way people ride/drive ,having said that there but for the grace of god go i ,,when i was that age i was a superbly talented motorcycle rider , no one was as good or fast as me ...........exept i wasnt very good , i was a bloody useless rider ,,the only difference was that i just happened to get away with it . anyway very sad for friends and family ,,,, oh and bring back the fizzy
 
Terrible shame that, but, as other people have said, it's his own fault for riding that way. I'm glad I waited until I was 22 before I got on a bike. If I'd got one at 16, 17 or 18 I'm quite sure I would be dead by now. As it is, I passed my test on a Honda CB500, went home, jumped straight on the Kawasaki Ninja 636 I bought a week earlier and spent the next three hours grinning like a loon and being scared to death in equal measure.
 
Galaxy66 said:
We must apologise for going slightly off thread here Fabs, but have the insurance companies not wisened up to that "loophole" effectively stopping parents from doing that by excluding youngsters from any driver policies, and if the 18 year old was a named driver the insurance would be based on the driver with the greatest risk potential and therefore would be sky high in any case.................slinks away expecting a mod to to reply next advising that another thread should be started:exit:
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You may be right. I wasn't aware there was any restrictions on an any driver policy, there certainly wasn't when I was younger (Much younger!:eek:). Of course things have probably changed since then.

Cue the age jokes (Bet Matt is at the front of the cue!)
 
I'm a big bike fan, and up until a few years ago I used to commute into London every day by bike. I currently ride a 2003 FireBlade, no slouch by any means.

I take the attitude that every bastids out to get me and nobody ever sees me (believe me some mornings I thought I had a "cloaked" bike....). You don't have to go fast to have fun on a bike, chose your road and on the right day you can have a great ride without ever going into 3 figures.

Bikes don't kill riders, they either kill themselves or are killed by others not paying attention (I had a pedestrian take me off of one bike once..) However, when you get on a "powered two wheeler" YOU take the risk that you could get injured.

Flick - Nobody forced the guy onto a bike, and you certainly didn't remove the restrictor. He did, it was his decision, he knew the risks and if anybody should feel responsible it should have been the insurance company who decided to give him cover.

BTW, I had my sons 50cc scooter derestricted because it was bloody dangerous with it in !! 30 mph on an unlit dual cariageway at night is asking to be hit up the rear......

Steve
 
Matt Sayle said:
Holy jesus!!!

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Is that from Holland Matt? Looks like it might be. If you don't know what I'm on about, there was a crash in Holland caused by a car pulling out on a bike - common enough you may say, but the Police estimated the bike to be doing in excess of 155mph so it wasn't visible when the car started moving. The rider ended up in the car with the driver and passenger. Needless to say, all 3 were killed outright.

Like many here I used to ride bikes but it was back in the mid to late '70s when there was about 1/3 the number of vehicles on the road there are today. If I'm honest, I'd probably be too scared to get another bike nowadays.
 
wack61 said:
if he was on a 250 he wouldn't have been doing 100mph
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Nope.
He would have only been doing about 80.
With the cars closing speed being 60 that means an impact speed of only 140 instead of 160.
I guess he would have lived.

Sorry if that sounds sarcastic, it's not meant to be but I can't see your logic
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fabs said:
You may be right. I wasn't aware there was any restrictions on an any driver policy, there certainly wasn't when I was younger (Much younger!:eek:). Of course things have probably changed since then.

Cue the age jokes (Bet Matt is at the front of the cue!)
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Me? Age jokes? Dunno what ya on about you old fart :lol:
 
parish said:
Is that from Holland Matt? Looks like it might be. If you don't know what I'm on about, there was a crash in Holland caused by a car pulling out on a bike - common enough you may say, but the Police estimated the bike to be doing in excess of 155mph so it wasn't visible when the car started moving. The rider ended up in the car with the driver and passenger. Needless to say, all 3 were killed outright.
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Yeas it was in Holland.

THe phrase Clucking bell comes to mind.
 
Tragic, yes but not Flick's fault at all.

I have to say, I VERY RARELY see a safe mototcyclist on the roads (around here) - they speed and weave in and out of traffic even while traffic is coming in the opposite direction!!

I'm not saying all motorcyclists are unsafe by any means - it's just round here, there seem to be a lot who ride unsafely on the roads.

My dad told me to drive with the thought that all motorists are idiots - and so to drive defensively and to expect the unexcpected, which I do to the best of my abilty.

But - all motorists, regardless of vehicle, should drive responsibly and with consideration to other road users :thumbs:
 
Iv ALWAYS said it was stupid to allow people to pass their tests and then go ride anything they want!! i know there are restrictions now but when i passed my test in the 80's you could go out and buy a GSXR1100 the next day!! with NO restrictions..

You did the right thing! you cant be held responcible for the actions of others!!

I drive trains for the Underground here in London, If someone wants to throw themselves under it then so beit!! im not going to crack up because of it!! its a shame, but it was their choice and theres nothing i can do about it..

Iv been a biker for over 20 years, its in my blood!! i'll always want to ride fast and free.. im going to try not to though!! not anymore.

A biker from near me had an R1 and was doing well over a ton when he went through a red light and hit a Volvo crossing in front of him.. his head went through the drivers window and killed the driver, his body went over the top of the car and seperated!!!.. now thats scary!!

People will always make the wrong decisions in life.. its for THEM to deal with.. not you...

Take it easy bud.. you did the right thing.. :thumbs:
 
it definitely isnt a bad idea restricting learner riders.
i have seen lots of blokes and ladies scare themselves sh**less on a bike thats too fast for their experience.
you crash a car thru lack of sense ,, chances are you get a bent car. crash a bike, and serious injury isnt far away .
a freind of mine is a riding instructor and has warned several of her younger students to build up their experience slowly.
and told me of atleast one, she said didnt ought to be on the road, his attitude was so bad.she told him this too.

its tragic when anyone loses theri life on a motorbike.
but sadly people do. i have lost a couple of freinds in bike accidents.
ive been riding bikes for 25 years plus, and can still occasionaly get over excited and do something stupid.
when the average 600cc sports bike can outaccelerate a ferrari, they have to be used responsibly.
sadly some riding schools arent as cool as others.and sadly some dealers will push unsuitable bikes onto inexperienced riders too.(no reflection on the OP. obviously a responsible chap).
 
Smiffy said:
Nope.
He would have only been doing about 80.
With the cars closing speed being 60 that means an impact speed of only 140 instead of 160.
I guess he would have lived.

Sorry if that sounds sarcastic, it's not meant to be but I can't see your logic
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My logic is he was showing off, his bike wasn't restricted so he decided to overtake his mates, if they were all on 250s he wouldn't have been able to do what he did, i realise that you can kill yourself at 30mph but allowing an 18 year old to buy a bike with a 0-60 time of under 4 seconds with the only thing stopping him unleashing that power is 10 minutes with a spanner is a recipe for disaster.
 
The problem is you can do well over 100mph on a 250!! so it COULD still happen!! if you're going to show off then Murphies law applies regardless.. so even if he was on a smaller bike this may have happened anyway..
 
wack61 said:
If they were all on 250s he wouldn't have been able to do what he did
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I can guarantee that if they were ALL on 250s they would have ALL been racing each other at silly speeds. It's the nature of the beast.
Put three or four youngsters on the road together on bikes and they will naturally try to race each other.
I see it all the time outside work with the lads around here...they've only got 50cc mopeds but they will all still try to "outdo" each other.
I can almost guarantee that if all three of these lads had had similarly powered machines, more than just the one of them would have been killed hitting the car.
I rode 250s in the 80's, which were capable of nearly 100mph, things have moved on since then and modern day bikes are capable of much higher speeds. An Aprilia 125cc will do well over a ton if tweaked up.
I've got a ZZR1400 Kawasaki now....I am older, hopefully wiser, and know what the power can do.
If I had had that power available to me when I was 18 I would have killed myself, no doubt about it.
 
photon said:
The dealer was definitely a weak link in this sorry chain of events. The rider should've been told in strong terms to stop riding and the Police informed (if only to cover your backs).
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If a dealer was expected to report everything he saw that was illegal on motorbikes he wouldn't be in business for long, the bike was supplied legally, the rider chose to remove the restrictor kit, the rider was advised to put the kit back on, end of dealers involvement IMO
 
ive only read the few responses an skim read a few more (cant read anymore becase ill start crying again)

my close friend is currently in hospital after having a RTC with a HGV on tuesday, he was on a motorbike.

we are all praying and hoping that he will be ok

myself and my fiance both use to own bikes and we have said we will never own one again (let alone get on the back of one)

wed/thur i kept breaking down crying when ever i saw a hgv or a biker, idiots driving irrisonsible etc..

i am now trying to be strong for my friends and hoping he will fight through this.

being a biker you always know its a risk you take but once you know someone involed in such a serious accident, you seriously start to change the way you think
 
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as-i-said said:
I just passed my theory, after doing my cbt in june, hmmm
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Don`t worry, just take it easy, and as other members have said, treat all road users as if they are trying to kill you, and all will be fine !! Regards Damian. :)

PS I ride a 1999 CBR600FX !!
 
Jelster said:
I'm a big bike fan, and up until a few years ago I used to commute into London every day by bike. I currently ride a 2003 FireBlade, no slouch by any means.

I take the attitude that every bastids out to get me and nobody ever sees me (believe me some mornings I thought I had a "cloaked" bike....). You don't have to go fast to have fun on a bike, chose your road and on the right day you can have a great ride without ever going into 3 figures.

Bikes don't kill riders, they either kill themselves or are killed by others not paying attention (I had a pedestrian take me off of one bike once..) However, when you get on a "powered two wheeler" YOU take the risk that you could get injured.

Flick - Nobody forced the guy onto a bike, and you certainly didn't remove the restrictor. He did, it was his decision, he knew the risks and if anybody should feel responsible it should have been the insurance company who decided to give him cover.

BTW, I had my sons 50cc scooter derestricted because it was bloody dangerous with it in !! 30 mph on an unlit dual cariageway at night is asking to be hit up the rear......

Steve
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Good post, so true.
 
mrgubby said:
One horsepower or a 1000 horsepower, people will still kill themselves.

I've lost a few friends through bike crashes, sometimes there own fault, sometimes a sheep.

When it's you time to go then that's it (but being a **** can bring it a lot earlier than normal)
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:thumbs:

as a biker i agree..

md..


thoughts are with the people left behind :'(
 
as-i-said said:
I just passed my theory, after doing my cbt in june, hmmm
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lot of throttle, little brain = death or serious injury, be sensible and you'll be fine, I can't say i've never done anything stupid on a bike but when I see some riders filtering at 50mph in heavy traffic it makes me cringe.

Just remember they have a tonne of metal around them as you're scaping your knees off the road, oh and never ever ride without leathers on, shorts may be nice and cool but you won't look nearly as attractive to the opposite sex with no skin
 
a lot of mates and i used to do the Welsh Dragon rallies during the winters in the 70s. the fun with the weather conditions was the actual getting there and back in one piece and having fun with like minded bikers from everywhere for the time there with the midnight rides over Llanberis and other activities.same at the TT. not how fast we could do it. now its scary we have a couple of very tight hairpins where i live one has parked cars along it but the amount of youngsters that end up polishing the road with their backsides is amazing. mainly on the how do i put it on road trials type bikes a high centre of gravity yet still the little nobs try a full bank and try to crank the throttle to get out far too late.consequence some innocent coming the other way gets a free radiator mascot. as i said in an earlier post limit the cc and only let it increase as they gain experience.
 
Jelster said:
BTW, I had my sons 50cc scooter derestricted because it was bloody dangerous with it in !! 30 mph on an unlit dual cariageway at night is asking to be hit up the rear......

Steve
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Have you informed his insurance company? Has he passed the test required to ride an unrestricted 'ped? If not and he has an accident, he'll be uninsured...
 
Thought that reply was a bit strange..
alicia has posted in a couple of other "pain" related threads with similar responses....
Oooh..and in the profile is a link to Accident Claims site (i think..didnt click it)..
??
 
alicia has left the building ;)
 
its always tragic when a youngster dies on a bike.
but its down to the actions of the guy holding the twistgrip.
theres no way you were at fault flick.
sadly his own stupidity ended his short life.

oddly a nieghbour of ours has just bought a zx6r at 18. passed his test recently.
fortunately for him, his dad rides a zzr 1100 and made dam sure his restrictor kit was fitted.
and has insisted on taking him our several days running, to ensure he realises how dangerous a bike can be.
 
Came so close to buying a bike recently after not having been anywhere near one for some 22 years..
Last time i was on one resulted in a broken leg-i got off lightly..
When it came to getting another one,i just couldnt get past the fear,had convinced myself i wanted a new bike...just couldnt do it..
Reading this makes me glad i didnt.
Feel sorry for the family-Daft sod shouldnt have taken the restrictor off..No one to blame but himself tbh.
As for me-now buying something much more sensible.. anyone got an MR2 Turbo for sale? :D
 
I passed my test last year when doing my DAS, went out a week later and bought a ZX6R, 1 week later i stopped at an island and the car behind me thought i had gone, but i hadn't. Girlfriend was on the back and she went bouncing down the bonnet of the car leaving a little dent. Both had a lot of bruising but nothing major.

She will not get on a bike since the accident.

2nd day i had the bike went work on it as it was a new toy and you gotta ride it everywhere, was 5am so damp roads, opened it up coming off an island and the back stepped out, dropped off the throttle and never did it again. Now i appreciate the power of the bike.
 
Having just read this thread it scares the c**p out of me.

With 3 teenage sons all at that age I dread each day! My 18yr old has recently got a 50cc moped but this isnt fast enough so he's desperate to get a bigger bike, especially as his 16 yr old brother is about to turn 17 in 3 wks and has already got his 125cc ready and waiting. They have all been riding off-road since they were 5yrs old but this doesn't prepare them for the road or my nerves either :shake: Doesn't help that one of his friends has just got a restricted 600cc bike so I know whats coming next :help:
 
Shaza7322 said:
Having just read this thread it scares the c**p out of me.

With 3 teenage sons all at that age I dread each day! My 18yr old has recently got a 50cc moped but this isnt fast enough so he's desperate to get a bigger bike, especially as his 16 yr old brother is about to turn 17 in 3 wks and has already got his 125cc ready and waiting. They have all been riding off-road since they were 5yrs old but this doesn't prepare them for the road or my nerves either :shake: Doesn't help that one of his friends has just got a restricted 600cc bike so I know whats coming next :help:
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It might be worthwhile to show them this tread then.
 
At least you lot have the CBT over there. Here in Northern Ireland all you need is your provisional licence and any muppet from 16 years old can ride up to a 125 without ever doing a test or with no experience :thinking:

I spent 20 years peddling to work so have a bit of road experience and last year decided to get this cheap chinese 125 cruiser. On a provisional licence I'm not allowed to go over 45 mph and that suits me fine. Don't understand why some people want to go at the speed of light, do they not know there's other people on the roads to think about?

Paul
 
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dod said:
alicia has left the building ;)
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Just googled her username and she's all got accounts albeit most of them banned, on forums from finance, credit crunch, camping and Volvo to Vauxhall VXR owners.

Deffo a weirdo spammer :cuckoo:
 
My uncle's a doctor, and I always wanted a motorbike. He said that was fine, but before I ever got one, that I would stay with him for a week and every day I'd spend in A&E to see how many motorbike accidents go through.

That kind of cured my wanting a motorbike for a while.
 
photon said:
The dealer was definitely a weak link in this sorry chain of events.
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Jelster said:
He did, it was his decision, he knew the risks and if anybody should feel responsible it should have been the insurance company who decided to give him cover.
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I whole-heartedly agree with the quote in bold above but fail to see what responsibility the dealer or the insurance company have in this situation??

It's obviously horribly sad but it was his own decision to remove the restricter and drive dangerously. Yes he was young, but definately old enough to make his own decisions - and unfortunately on this occasion he made stupid decisions.


I had a friend who died in a car crash at the age of 17 because he was driving like an idiot. He put three other people in hospital at the same time. I didn't blame the person who sold him the car or the company that insured him - I blamed him. The risk is obviously greater with a high powered bike but you still have to take responsibilty for your own choices and actions.
 
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