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Hi Folks, i have been trying to get some decent shots of the moon during the daylight hours as there have been some beautiful clear skies this week.
I have been using ISO100 and various combinations of aperture and shutter speed but the images are all very noisy.
It has got me puzzled as i can usually work out this sort of problem regarding exposure and focusing.
any suggestions/advice will be most welcome :thumbs:
 
Is it noise, or haze? Samples always help people give better help..
 
Hi Alastair Will post an example asap when i get home, but to me it looks like noise !!!
 
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First it would help to know your setup.

As an Amateur Astronomer and long term member of a number of Astronomical clubs, I have taken many an image, though I am more a Ha person (Hydrogen Alpha).

1. Remember the moon is 1/4 million miles away
2. Never try to photograph a full moon you need contrast, so 1/3, 1/4 or 1/2 are good
3. Don't go above 400 asa
5. Dont shoot when the moon is lower than 45 degrees or you are shooting through too much atmosphere
6. The colder the night and cloudless the better as the atmosphere is stiller.
7. Manual focus at infinity
8. NIGHT TIME ONLY

Dropping my friend off !

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I have no trouble getting good nighttime shots, so i think the camera should be up to this !!
 
Surely not in daylight if so about right, you shoot Moon at night.
 
Hi Jeremy, i have been trying to get the shots of the moon during the mid morning daylight hours as we live on the flightpath to stanstead and we get lots of aircraft flying across the area of sky where the moon is and i like the idea of getting a shot with both moon and aircraft in the same frame
 
philangel8 said:
Hi Jeremy, i have been trying to get the shots of the moon during the mid morning daylight hours as we live on the flightpath to stanstead and we get lots of aircraft flying across the area of sky where the moon is and i like the idea of getting a shot with both moon and aircraft in the same frame
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99.999% of all those shots are a sandwich (as they used to be called) one neg on top of another or in photoshop dual layer.

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moon.jpg


This is terrible, in fact 1000 % better as the original, sorry.
 
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JSER said:
First it would help to know your setup.

As an Amateur Astronomer and long term member of a number of Astronomical clubs, I have taken many an image, though I am more a Ha person (Hydrogen Alpha).

1. Remember the moon is 1/4 million miles away
2. Never try to photograph a full moon you need contrast, so 1/3, 1/4 or 1/2 are good
3. Don't go above 400 asa
5. Dont shoot when the moon is lower than 45 degrees or you are shooting through too much atmosphere
6. The colder the night and cloudless the better as the atmosphere is stiller.
7. Manual focus at infinity
8. NIGHT TIME ONLY

Dropping my friend off !

Img_8450.jpg
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Yawn!

You can photograph during the day if you want, its just very hard.
 
100% perfect

Now take a pic of an aircraft with a con trail and merge it and that is what most are
 
realspeed said:
Can't help with daylight shots but for night shots but I just posted this on how I did it on this link, last posting


http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=4106890#post4106890

If thats any help


Realspeed
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Thanks for the link, i was just reading your post !!! lol, unfortunately i only have a fuji hs10 bridge camera at the moment so a super lens like yours is out of the question !!! lol. suppose i will have to take the plunge and go for a dslr :thumbs:
 
philangel8 said:
Thanks for the link, i was just reading your post !!! lol, unfortunately i only have a fuji hs10 bridge camera at the moment so a super lens like yours is out of the question !!! lol. suppose i will have to take the plunge and go for a dslr :thumbs:
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Actually many people take acceptable photographs through club (astronomy) scopes, binoculars etc using a cheap mount.

In fact check out any digiscoping forum.
 
Just google "Contrail Moon" for many examples of what you are trying to achieve and hopefully many will still have their EXIF complete so you can see what's involved.

For example (not mine btw)
Fly-me-to-the-Moon.jpg
 
Matty777 said:
Just google "Contrail Moon" for many examples of what you are trying to achieve and hopefully many will still have their EXIF complete so you can see what's involved.

For example (not mine btw)
Fly-me-to-the-Moon.jpg
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thanks for that Matty
 
JSER said:
First it would help to know your setup.

As an Amateur Astronomer and long term member of a number of Astronomical clubs, I have taken many an image, though I am more a Ha person (Hydrogen Alpha).

1. Remember the moon is 1/4 million miles away
2. Never try to photograph a full moon you need contrast, so 1/3, 1/4 or 1/2 are good
3. Don't go above 400 asa
5. Dont shoot when the moon is lower than 45 degrees or you are shooting through too much atmosphere
6. The colder the night and cloudless the better as the atmosphere is stiller.
7. Manual focus at infinity
8. NIGHT TIME ONLY
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Just curious as to why not a full moon, seen loads of cracking full moon shots on here

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=358564&highlight=moon

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=262310


Not to mention taken in daylight. ;)

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=269766
 
fabs said:
Just curious as to why not a full moon, seen loads of cracking full moon shots on here

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=358564&highlight=moon

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=262310


Not to mention taken in daylight. ;)

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=269766
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Purely because a full moon looks flat as you don't get the shadows you can get from a 1/2 moon etc.

Although photographing a full moon is just as acceptable to most people as is taking one during the day. ;)
 
Harvey_nikon said:
Purely because a full moon looks flat as you don't get the shadows you can get from a 1/2 moon etc.

Although photographing a full moon is just as acceptable to most people as is taking one during the day. ;)
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Well the examples in the links are pretty darned good so I'll still question the statement "Never try to photograph a full moon". ;)
 
fabs said:
Well the examples in the links are pretty darned good so I'll still question the statement "Never try to photograph a full moon". ;)
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Totally agree. The full Moon can be beautiful :cool:

Here's another


moon by SteveP!, on Flickr
 
Harvey_nikon said:
Purely because a full moon looks flat as you don't get the shadows you can get from a 1/2 moon etc.

Although photographing a full moon is just as acceptable to most people as is taking one during the day. ;)
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I agree that a full moon does look "flat" but still looks ok, however most prefer a "just under" half moon. It looks the best.
 
Splog said:
Totally agree. The full Moon can be beautiful :cool:

Here's another
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That's stunning Steve :clap: :notworthy:

Certainly nothing flat about that :)
 
JSER said:
I agree that a full moon does look "flat" but still looks ok, however most prefer a "just under" half moon. It looks the best.
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In your opinion.
 
fabs said:
Well the examples in the links are pretty darned good so I'll still question the statement "Never try to photograph a full moon". ;)
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I fully agree with you, I was just explaining why some people feel that way :)
 
Well i suppose i will just have to keep trying till i stumble upon a setting that captures a decent shot !!! lol
 
I assume you read this weeks AP, and the article (coincidence) about astro photography
 
JSER said:
I assume you read this weeks AP, and the article (coincidence) about astro photography
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Nope, I stopped reading this once I noticed they started recycling the same old how-to's, guides and info.

However, does it really matter what is posted in a magazine? it doesn't really prove anything either way.
 
Harvey_nikon said:
Nope, I stopped reading this once I noticed they started recycling the same old how-to's, guides and info.

However, does it really matter what is posted in a magazine? it doesn't really prove anything either way.
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What a strange comment and reply.

philangel8 was asking about photographing the Moon and I have just pointed out the massive coincidence between his question and AP doing a piece on Astro photography this very week, and you say "it doesn't prove anything anyway" , nothing was/has been "posted" it is an article!

Sorrry, have I missed the point :thinking: What doesn't prove what?
 
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JSER said:
I assume you read this weeks AP, and the article (coincidence) about astro photography
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I have not seen the article in AP mag , but i will se if i can get hold of a copy,i have been trying to get this shot for quite a while now !!!
 
JSER said:
What a strange comment and reply.

philangel8 was asking about photographing the Moon and I have just pointed out the massive coincidence between his question and AP doing a piece on Astro photography this very week, and you say "it doesn't prove anything anyway" , nothing was/has been "posted" it is an article!

Sorrry, have I missed the point :thinking: What doesn't prove what?
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150 words about lunar photography in a side bar to astro article is hardly even worth mentioning.

In summary: "600-900mm 1/250th ISO100 better crater definition when waxing/waning."

Wow! that was worth it. The article's so comprehensive that it doesn't even bother to mention aperture!

Basically you can take decent photos of the moon in almost any of its stages, depending on what you want the effect to be or the image to look like.
 
philangel8 said:
I have not seen the article in AP mag , but i will se if i can get hold of a copy,i have been trying to get this shot for quite a while now !!!
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Seriously; if you are buying the mag for that article alone don't bother. You've had better, more comprehensive and more relevant advice on here.
 
DemiLion said:
Seriously; if you are buying the mag for that article alone don't bother. You've had better, more comprehensive and more relevant advice on here.
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Indeed!
 
JSER said:
What a strange comment and reply.

philangel8 was asking about photographing the Moon and I have just pointed out the massive coincidence between his question and AP doing a piece on Astro photography this very week, and you say "it doesn't prove anything anyway" , nothing was/has been "posted" it is an article!

Sorrry, have I missed the point :thinking: What doesn't prove what?
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You were saying that you should only take photos at night and never of a full moon and that was the ongoing topic of conversation when you posted that comment. Had you of provided a little detail of what was in it then I would of understood it was just a generic article and not something to back up what you mentioned in your previous post.

You didn't point out a coincidence, you simple asked if anyone had read the article, which is only helpful if someone had, not for those of us that hadn't.

A simple misunderstand but I am sure you can see why it happened :)
 
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