Moggy or ya life......

Another reason all cats should be exterminated forthwith.:mad:
 
I see they have not bothered to mention that the cats had bite wounds, probably from fighting with badgers, and they are all in an extremely small area.

I would be far more concerned with the much larger problem of TB from immigrants whose sole aim appears to be to coat the ground with sputum. :puke:
 
Tigger.ufo said:
I see they have not bothered to mention that the cats had bite wounds, probably from fighting with badgers, and they are all in an extremely small area.

I would be far more concerned with the much larger problem of TB from immigrants whose sole aim appears to be to coat the ground with sputum. :puke:
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Probably more likely to be rat bites. Badgers inflict massive wounds.
 
And how many people have been mauled and even killed by dogs? Or people? Best exterminate both species forthwith...
 
On the question of TB, Heather's comment is spot on. We managed to eliminate human to human strains of TB from the United Kingdom, but sadly now seem to have re-imported it!

However, as a cat [and dog] lover, can someone tell me why they so hate domestic animals? Is it fear caused by the same ignorance and lack of contact that some have for foreigners and immigrants?
 
The only thing I don't like about cats is that they crap in every flower bed they can find.

My dog loves them though. That said, he can't eat more than one at a time :)
 
Nod said:
And how many people have been mauled and even killed by dogs? Or people? Best exterminate both species forthwith...
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Humans and dogs serve a purpose, cats don't.
 
Apart from pest control and companionship?

What does mankind as a species really do for the world apart from f*** it up?
 
Most dogs serve exactly the same purpose as cats, they're pets/companions.

I can't understand the hatred some people have for cats, or dogs.
I can't think of any species that I hate, even the ones I wouldn't want to keep as a pet.
 
spike241 said:
Most dogs serve exactly the same purpose as cats, they're pets/companions.

I can't understand the hatred some people have for cats, or dogs.
I can't think of any species that I hate, even the ones I wouldn't want to keep as a pet.
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Yes agree I have never understood why some people hate either cats or dogs
They are companion animals what's the harm in that
I prefer cats to dogs so don't have a dog but don't irrationally hate dogs
Any problems with any pet animals is down to poor owners
 
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surely if the kid had been vacinated against TB (as we all were once) this wouldn't have come up - personally i blame which ever halfwit decided not to get vacinated
 
Al1944 said:
The only thing I don't like about cats is that they crap in every flower bed they can find.

My dog loves them though. That said, he can't eat more than one at a time :)
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You mean you don't like the fact that cats, which can climb, have slightly different territories from yours! And nearly all of them at least attempt to bury their crap!

Anyway, if you're a gardener, and especially a dog owner, you obviously don't find it too onerous to pick up crap when you have to! :p


BRASH said:
Humans and dogs serve a purpose, cats don't.
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Yes they do!

 
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No, like I said, I don't like cats crapping in flower beds. Nothing worse than planting stuff and coming across little piles of sh1t in the earth. If they didn't bury it it would be better! At least you could then get rid of it easily as one does with dog crap. Simples!

I wonder what people would think if dogs visited their gardens and did their business there - what do you think about that?

The more I think of it the more I dislike cats. 'Orrible bloody things.

AL
 
Al1944 said:
No, like I said, I don't like cats crapping in flower beds. Nothing worse than planting stuff and coming across little piles of sh1t in the earth. If they didn't bury it it would be better! At least you could then get rid of it easily as one does with dog crap. Simples!

I wonder what people would think if dogs visited their gardens and did their business there - what do you think about that?

The more I think of it the more I dislike cats. 'Orrible bloody things.

AL
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Well here's a counter intuitive bit of cat psychology that might help. It's confident, dominant, extroverted cats who don't bury their crap. So if you encourage them and are nice to them, you might just find that your cleaning up becomes easier!

FWIW, one of our cats uses our front garden flowerbed as his own personal lavatory. With the result that very occasionally another animal joins in; it might be a cat, it might be a dog, it might [worst of all] be a local fox in the front garden. It's a nuisance but no insufferable hardship to deal with it if I have to!

Actually, the more I think of it, the more I dislike cat dislikers. 'Orrible bloody people.
 
.22 usually fixes the problem.
 
A dog has a master, a cat has none, it does as it likes.
Sadly here the amount of cats now present has seen a massive decline in the local wildlife with whole populations such as the wood mice, bank voles and ground/low level nesting birds being pretty much wiped out. Yet there is no recourse? a cat can come into my garden and kill what it likes with impunity, if I still had a dog and he did the same I would be in court.

One can only hope we get a cat season and the strays get dealt with appropriatly.
 
magicaxeman said:
A dog has a master, a cat has none, it does as it likes.
Sadly here the amount of cats now present has seen a massive decline in the local wildlife with whole populations such as the wood mice, bank voles and ground/low level nesting birds being pretty much wiped out. Yet there is no recourse? a cat can come into my garden and kill what it likes with impunity, if I still had a dog and he did the same I would be in court.

One can only hope we get a cat season and the strays get dealt with appropriatly.
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I refer you to my previous post and can assure you it does work;)
 
Wasn't sure whether to get drawn into this but I really hate animal cruelty so feel that I have to comment
Surely shooting people's pets is cruel and very wrong
Of course some cats do catch birds ours don't though as we have a run in the garden which is enclosed
As for the decline in bird populations other things such as intensive farming and spraying with chemicals which wipe out invertebrates which other things feed on is a large factor in the decline of our wildlife
As an example some species of butterfly have declined massively in recent years
I suspect you posted that to get a reaction tho
 
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I agree about animal cruelty but if yer a good shot it's fairly instant and humane. What do we do stop shooting foxes, rats, rabbits, deer etc etc? Nah!!
 
Don't make it right through
No point arguing tho we will never agree on this
 
LCPete said:
Wasn't sure whether to get drawn into this but I really hate animal cruelty so feel that I have to comment
Surely shooting people's pets is cruel and very wrong
Of course some cats do catch birds ours don't though as we have a run in the garden which is enclosed
As for the decline in bird populations other things such as intensive farming and spraying with chemicals which wipe out invertebrates which other things feed on is a large factor in the decline of our wildlife
As an example some species of butterfly have declined massively in recent years
I suspect you posted that to get a reaction tho
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of course... and it's a theory that goes all pear shaped in this house too, 7 cats and 2 dogs and the dogs have killed more rodents [not to mention at least one wild rabbit] mainly rats & mice that come to raid the bird feeders, than the cats have ever managed, including the bloody live ones the one cat that can catch em brings in for everyone to play with - they get quickly dealt with too, long before the cats get a chance to play :rolleyes:
Cats were domesticated for the reason of keeping rats/mice/etc under control and eventually as companions, very much like dogs, so it is a pointless waste of your emotions hating them, you can't change history and MANY rescues ARE trying to deal with strays, by capturing, neutering and releasing again [if feral, rehoming if it's a previously owned animal that has become a stray] so preventing them breeding further - not by needlessly killing an otherwise healthy animal. I have no doubt cats have had some effect on wildlife populations, but other human inflictions have been at least equally, if not more detrimental, by building all over their habitats and poisoning their food sources.
 
Plenty of bells on a collar has vastly reduced our cat's catching and killing to maybe one or 2 creatures per year - she used to get way too many when she was more of a country cat and had no collar. We also managed to dissuade her from stalking by using a well aimed water pistol (what's generally referred to as a "bullseye" is called a "catsarse" here!). She usually cr@ps in our garden and has a preferred area so we rake it every week or so to remove the lumps and keep it relatively clean for her. It's an area under a fir tree where nothing will grow so no loss to us as a garden space.
 
I'm not gonna start comparing cats and dogs because I like both but, even as a cat owner, dog crap is far more of an issue for me as I spend half my time trying to dodge it.

I have indoor cats and that won't change because of the dangers of cars and the scum who think it's perfectly acceptable to shoot or poison someone's pet.
 
RSPB does not consider that cats are causing a decline in the bird population even though the estimate of the amount of birds that cats kill is around 55 million. There is still a decline of birds that very rarely come not contact with cats and are being caused by habitat change or habitat loss.

Having said that anyone who advocates cruelty to any animal in any form is a scumbag.
 
Yv said:
Cats were domesticated for the reason of keeping rats/mice/etc under control and eventually as companions, very much like dogs, so it is a pointless waste of your emotions hating them, you can't change history and MANY rescues ARE trying to deal with strays, by capturing, neutering and releasing again [if feral, rehoming if it's a previously owned animal that has become a stray] so preventing them breeding further - not by needlessly killing an otherwise healthy animal. I have no doubt cats have had some effect on wildlife populations, but other human inflictions have been at least equally, if not more detrimental, by building all over their habitats and poisoning their food sources.
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This is debatable. It's pretty much agreed that humans domesticated dogs by selectively breeding from wild canines, to produce the tractable and more docile animals they required. This also goes some way to explain why dogs - pack animals - can relate to their human "owner" as a leader. Many scientists believe that cats were never domesticated as such, they simply adapted to the advantages of living with humans of their own volition, trading their rodent control services for some security and warmth. They are much closer to their wild ancestry than most dogs, remain pretty solitary, and I've yet to meet a cat that regards a human as its "boss"!

I fully agree with the rest of your post. Humans have a far greater impact on natural environments and animal populations, but no-one has seriously suggested a culling programme yet. Hmm.......................
 
That made me smile, reading about how cats weren't domesticated as such, they adapted to living with humans through their own choice. That just about sums a cat up.
You can put lime peel (and apparently tiger dung, if you happen to have any lying around...)down in your garden to deter cats, although my main problem is the foxes, nothing worse than that.
 
MartynK said:
This is debatable. It's pretty much agreed that humans domesticated dogs by selectively breeding from wild canines, to produce the tractable and more docile animals they required. This also goes some way to explain why dogs - pack animals - can relate to their human "owner" as a leader. Many scientists believe that cats were never domesticated as such, they simply adapted to the advantages of living with humans of their own volition, trading their rodent control services for some security and warmth. They are much closer to their wild ancestry than most dogs, remain pretty solitary, and I've yet to meet a cat that regards a human as its "boss"!

I fully agree with the rest of your post. Humans have a far greater impact on natural environments and animal populations, but no-one has seriously suggested a culling programme yet. Hmm.......................
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Not disagreeing, I use 'domesticate' in its loosest possible terms, an animal that lives reasonably happily with and in the environment of humans allowing affection and handling, as opposed to a 'wild' animal. Cats in the main are also not 'pack' animals like dogs and certainly don't subscribe to the 'pack leader' idea, they are all pack leaders in their own heads [ :lol: ], but again, like lions I imagine, many will live together in tolerance and sometime even enjoyment of each other because it is advantageous to do so by way of warmth, shelter, food, etc, with an odd kind of 'pecking order'. Yes I KNOW, before anyone says it, plenty of cats apparently hate other cats, but as long as there is breathing space, most can actually tolerate being in the same house, even they work out between them a way to live in that space so they rarely encounter each other. We have one cat that really isn't fond of any of the others and will have a go at them if they approach her.....and yet, despite having a lot of space for them, we'll still find her curled up asleep within 2ft of the one she likes least, our big [neutered] tom cat.
 
Sandor said:
That made me smile, reading about how cats weren't domesticated as such, they adapted to living with humans through their own choice. That just about sums a cat up.
You can put lime peel (and apparently tiger dung, if you happen to have any lying around...)down in your garden to deter cats, although my main problem is the foxes, nothing worse than that.
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Indeed... cat business smells pretty much like...well, cat food.... fox, which is about the same size, is usually quite dark and smells like every rotten egg and mouldy cheese that ever existed took a trip to Hades via the foxes intestines :puke: Quite easy to tell apart, though many people can't ;)
 
Dogs have owners, cats have staff - how else would they get cans and pouches open?
 
I'm in favor of a cat cull after all we couldn't wait to do it to the badgers and they have never passed TB to humans :bat:
 
MartynK said:
This is debatable. It's pretty much agreed that humans domesticated dogs by selectively breeding from wild canines, to produce the tractable and more docile animals they required. This also goes some way to explain why dogs - pack animals - can relate to their human "owner" as a leader. Many scientists believe that cats were never domesticated as such, they simply adapted to the advantages of living with humans of their own volition, trading their rodent control services for some security and warmth. They are much closer to their wild ancestry than most dogs, remain pretty solitary, and I've yet to meet a cat that regards a human as its "boss"!
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I've lived with fourteen or fifteen cats now, and while I accept that our relationship is more parasitic than symbiotic vis a vis pet dogs, I remain hugely impressed how fixated our cats are on us!

For example, one of the first [rehomed] cats I had when I was a University student, would run down the road squeaking after me when I went to the phone box. Much more recently, Yv and I went out for an evening on foot and were followed up the road by a yowling Tonkinese. At the top of our road, at the High Road, she stopped but we continued to the pub and thence to a restaurant. When we returned about three hours later, the yowling recommenced and it turned out she had been waiting for us all that time!

It has been very common when we walk the dogs to have one, two or three cats accompanying us around the block, hopping from garden to garden.

I have noticed one thing however. You mention selective breeding, and we've now owned six poncey purebred pedigree cats. They are noticeably more "people orientated" than our moggies or feral rescues - it was pedigrees who were rash enough or brave enough or naive enough to follow us all the way round the block rather than stick to their feline-defined territories! That's after what? Maybe six generations of controlled breeding.

By the way, cats aren't pack animals but they do naturally live in groups even though they hunt alone.
 
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