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Ok so i had a TFCD shoot yesterday and got a couple of images emailed to the model that she liked next thing i see on facebook is that she has posted them after instagraming them and mucking up the tones and editing i had spent time on,not there was no written contract or model release as i am only using them on my flickr etc they are not for sale but i said to her about it and she said she likes the instagram flavour WTF! anyway i have not sent her any more this has left a sour taste in my mouth any advice?
 
Has a big C on the pic not that you need it, tell her to remove them or you'll have to charge for their use.
 
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twist said:
Has a big C on the pic not that you need it, tell her to remove them or you'll have to charge for their use.
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yeah c not required its a preset in lightroom that i havent bothered to change if you look at my flickr i rarely use watermarks or logos although on this occasion with this girl i am glad i did :-) i guess i better say to her i wont be sending her any more photos for her to **** up with instagram.thanks :-)
 
Report it to Facebook directly who will remove it PDQ

Tell the model she is not to re-post it back on Facebook

Make sure you make mention of this issue when reviewing the model on Model Mayhem
 
Keith W said:
Report it to Facebook directly who will remove it PDQ

Tell the model she is not to re-post it back on Facebook

Make sure you make mention of this issue when reviewing the model on Model Mayhem
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Thanks keith i will contact facebook just now and see there response,its really irritating you spend all the time travelling to the shoot then editing and 2 seconds on instagram and its ruined.i will leave her the appropriate feedback but she will probably delete it anyway :/
 
Remember you're still the copyright holder. You can ask her to remove the photos as she is using them contrary to the licence you've granted her.

Use big words that sounds legalistic and leave a bad review of her.
 
mjogreen said:
Remember you're still the copyright holder. You can ask her to remove the photos as she is using them contrary to the licence you've granted her.

Use big words that sounds legalistic and leave a bad review of her.
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just messaged her there asking her to remove them and and i explained why so will see her response she will probably delete and block me but hopefully facebook will deal with it :-)
 
jamesLglass said:
just messaged her there asking her to remove them and and i explained why so will see her response she will probably delete and block me but hopefully facebook will deal with it :-)
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End of the day she can't run away from the law. Copyright law is law.
 
I agree michael,i have now edited my MM profile stating that nothing must be edited 1st time i have had this type of problem :(
 
so this girl has used the pic as her profile photo again after facebook warned her that all her photos will be deleted she says there was no contract between us and she used photoshop not instagram after looking through messages yesterday she said she used instagram.she also says it doesn't matter because no one can click it and they cant see my watermark seriously!wo now she says there was no contract and i cant use her photo on facebook i just told her to report me.
 
she says the one she is using she likes very much but she doesn't like the way i edited it she likes the fashion flavour.
 
There does not need to be a contract - this has nothing to do with contracts.

You can use the photo as it is your work, you own the rights to the photo not her. That is when contracts need to be drawn up. By you taking the photo, you own it and you own the copyright. Not the other way round. Same as if you were taking a photo of randomers in the street. You own the photo. Therefore, she cannot (without your permission) use the photo in a way that you do not approve - especially not without giving credit.

Just keep reporting her on Facebook. (it'll **** her off more than anything)
 
i reported her again she says if it gets removed she will post it in other places and i will not find out and she has worked with 25 togs and im the only one that has had trouble with her lol i reported it again anyway :-)
 
Just report it to Facebook again and get it removed.

It is your picture, not hers

You own the copyright, not her
 
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i reported her again she says if it gets removed she will post it in other places and i will not find out and she has worked with 25 togs and im the only one that has had trouble with her lol i reported it again anyway :-)
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I hope you have kept a copy of her saying that?

Just tell her that is she does that, and you find out/find the pictures, that you will be using the courts to get a resolution/recompense
 
yeah i have all the facebook conversation recorded her attitude stinks facebook hasn't removed the profile photo yet though.
 
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This is a big issue when dealing with non-profesional models. Especially non-professionals who don't know how to act professional.

You should never have threatened her with a lawyer, as there's no way out after that. You should've very quickly edited a shot and then sent it to her asking for her to swap them over and delete the old ones.

But more so, NEVER give the model access to unfinished images. Models shouldn't get any access to images once the shoot is over, unless you've paid them and made agreements previously. Otherwise this is exactly the kind of thing that happens. Especially on ModelMayhem.
 
:suspect:Back as her profile picture on FB at the moment
 
London Headshots said:
This is a big issue when dealing with non-profesional models. Especially non-professionals who don't know how to act professional.

You should never have threatened her with a lawyer, as there's no way out after that. You should've very quickly edited a shot and then sent it to her asking for her to swap them over and delete the old ones.

But more so, NEVER give the model access to unfinished images. Models shouldn't get any access to images once the shoot is over, unless you've paid them and made agreements previously. Otherwise this is exactly the kind of thing that happens. Especially on ModelMayhem.
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what do you mean dont give her access to images after the shoot?i also only give edited images to clients.
 
Excuse me asking, but I thought that a Model Release form had to be completed to confirm that the photographer was at liberty to use the images captured?

However James has said that there was no such form completed. Therefore, conversely, what right does James have to claim any control over the images?

Please understand that I am not trying to wind anyone up here; it really is a genuine query as to the rights of use by both/either parties if a Model Release form has not been completed.
 
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what do you mean dont give her access to images after the shoot?i also only give edited images to clients.
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Wait, so you gave her edited images and she put them on Facebook? What's your problem then? That she Instagrammed them?

That's the risk you take these days when you work with someone for free. They won't respect the work you do.

If you pay models you don't have to give them pictures and this doesn't happen. I know this is a closing-the-gate-after scenario, but most of these models can be had for a hundred quid. Saves a lot of agro down the line.

You don't really have much recourse. Sucks, but it is what it is. You shouldn ever have played the lawyer card.
 
imagerap said:
Excuse me asking, but I thought that a Model Release form had to be completed to confirm that the photographer was at liberty to use the images captured?

However James has said that there was no such form completed. Therefore, conversely, what right does James have to claim any control over the images?

Please understand that I am not trying to wind anyone up here; it really is a genuine query as to the rights of use by both/either parties if a Model Release form has not been completed.
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He took the images, they are his. A lack of model release just means that James is not at liberty to profit from the images without the headache of a potential court case.
 
imagerap said:
Excuse me asking, but I thought that a Model Release form had to be completed to confirm that the photographer was at liberty to use the images captured?

However James has said that there was no such form completed. Therefore, conversely, what right does James have to claim any control over the images?

Please understand that I am not trying to wind anyone up here; it really is a genuine query as to the rights of use by both/either parties if a Model Release form has not been completed.
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as has been said before its the same with street photography if i go and capture a stranger the photograph belongs to me i hold the copyright correct me if i am wrong but i can use that photo on my website as long as i am not selling it etc but if i am making money using it in magazines or stock etc then a model release must be done.
 
London Headshots said:
Wait, so you gave her edited images and she put them on Facebook? What's your problem then? That she Instagrammed them?

That's the risk you take these days when you work with someone for free. They won't respect the work you do.

If you pay models you don't have to give them pictures and this doesn't happen. I know this is a closing-the-gate-after scenario, but most of these models can be had for a hundred quid. Saves a lot of agro down the line.

You don't really have much recourse. Sucks, but it is what it is. You shouldn ever have played the lawyer card.
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yeah afterwards she edited them thats my problem she is manipulating one of my images.i honestly dont see the big deal about the lawyer thing after some of the things she said to me i will happily get my lawyer involved if my photos are everywhere instagrammed there was no point in me editing them after what she done anyway.
 
I guess it's a lesson learned from now on model releases will be done every time and i will ask what they plan on doing with the photos i am just not happy with my photo being mucked up with that crap.
 
can i ask if lets say gerry ghoinis done a wedding for a client then found one of his photos with the same treatment what you think he would do,it doesn't matter when it was done the face is thats your photo with your name on it people who know what there talking about will go wtf has he done lol
 
London Headshots said:
He took the images, they are his. A lack of model release just means that James is not at liberty to profit from the images without the headache of a potential court case.
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Unless you are a bona fide member of the Media, I presume?

Meanwhile I have this bizarre image of me chasing a member of the public down the road having just 'nailed' a shot for stock, to get them to sign a release form so I can sell it. (Unless you're in France, that is :thumbsdown:)
 
she just told me she spent 2 hours editing it like that pmsl a stupid filter on instagram im sure you all have checked her on facebook.
 
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London Headshots said:
This is a big issue when dealing with non-profesional models. Especially non-professionals who don't know how to act professional.
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Are you talking about the photographer or the model here, they both fall into that category i think.

So you , a hobbyist, offered a time for cd shoot. Didnt bother with a contract and gave her some images. Whats wrong with the one you linked in post 2? It looks fine. How has she turned it to crap?

I do time for cd shoots all the time for fun. Hand over 50 or 60 images when im done and let them know they can do what the hell they want with them. My life isnt affected. Youve got the originals still to put in your portfolio should you wish to pursue a pro career, odds on she wont be heard from again in any capacity or in any way that will affect your work in future. Whats the issue here? Are you that ashamed by what she did? id love to see the original of the image that you posted as that must be mind blowing.

Can you link that one to show us how she has screwed your potential career over?
 
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essexash said:
Are you talking about the photographer or the model here, they both fall into that category i think.

So you , a hobbyist, offered a time for cd shoot. Didnt bother with a contract and gave her some images. Whats wrong with the one you linked in post 2? It looks fine. How has she turned it to crap?

Youve got the originals still to put in your portfolio should you wish to pursue a pro career, odds on she wont be heard from again in any capacity or in any way that will affect your work in future. Whats the issue here? Are you that ashamed by what she did? id love to see the original of the image that you posted as that must be mind blowing.

Can you link that one to show us how she has screwed your potential career over?
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sorry essex i make my living doing photography working with models is just to do something different for me.
 
really? well set a contract up next time, i guess youd know that as a "pro". or not.
 
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