missing plane

big soft moose said:
Huh

How does wreckage in the indian ocean considerably beyond Langkawi substantiate that theory ? if he'd been aiming to make an emergency landing there he wouldnt have been anyway where near where the wreckage was found
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Just read the link
 
I read the link when it was first posted , I thought it was crap then and it hasn't aged like a fine wine , it is still crap

if he was taking a direct over water route into Langkawi, he wouldn't have been anywhere near wehere the wreckage was found - he'd also have called langkawi as soon as he knew he had a problem (which would have been considerably before a fire could spread from the wheel well to the electrics) so they knew to expect him and so that ATC could clear his new route of other traffic
 
Well as much as it is against my religion, I hesitantly agree with Pete on this, there seem to be too many other variables at play here for the Goodfellow theory to be as close to actuality as some think. My immediate question, and this assumes that the current 'crash zone' is of course accurate, is how can an electrical fire of any sort, that managed to disable almost all communications [apart from the satellite pings] and over come the pilots, not take out anything that George needed to keep it flying until it finally ditched 7 hours later? Secondly, what were the cabin crew doing during this time? Even if the passengers didn't notice anything wrong, the cabin crew normally have communications with the cockpit, even if it's only to offer refreshments [although possibly the cockpit crew have their own supply ref security?], and I can't believe experienced crew would not detect there was something amiss, surely such a fire could not have been so comprehensive as to take out the entire crew and passengers all at once whilst still being able continue to fly?

Having said all that, I am not yet prepared to dismiss such a theory totally out of hand either, I just think a lot of questions would need to be answered to verify it. None of which can even begin to happen until flight recorders and wreckage are retrieved - if indeed they are. This could remains a mystery for many years.
 
Also if you were close to the coast and had an uncontrolled fire on board wouldn't it be more logical to head in to shallow water, send a may day and and ditch, rather than climbing to high altitude in the vain hope of starving a fire of oxygen ( If the fire was in the electrics and had taken out the radio it would clearly be in the presurised space and be drawing oxy from the air.)

To me the location of the wreckage lends more credence to trying to reach the maldives - although why he might have wanted to do that is anyones guess
 
big soft moose said:
Also if you were close to the coast and had an uncontrolled fire on board wouldn't it be more logical to head in to shallow water, send a may day and and ditch, rather than climbing to high altitude in the vain hope of starving a fire of oxygen ( If the fire was in the electrics and had taken out the radio it would clearly be in the presurised space and be drawing oxy from the air.)

To me the location of the wreckage lends more credence to trying to reach the maldives - although why he might have wanted to do that is anyones guess
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Even that would be tenuous given the current crash site location.... you would think they wanted to be the first 777 to land on Antarctica given the route... :eek:
 
The latest findings do seem to give credence to Mr. Goodfellow's theory, that there was a fire
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It does no such thing.

Firstly it seems the aircraft skirted the various FIR Boundary's, why do that when reality says you'd be heading for the nearest bit of tarmac screaming like a banshee on everything that would make noise? You wouldn't. Why climb when every bit of training says Land now? You wouldn't.
One fire knocks out every radio, of which there are several, not all in the same place, but had no effect on satcoms? Credibility has been stretched a lot too far for the fire theory, Mr Goodfellow should have started his theory "Once upon a time". If there was a fire, long before it became an issue there would have been warning horns and more flashing lights than a 70's disco.

Why didn't the RMAF go and have a look? It more likely as to do with the skirting FIR boundary's. No one knows, because it isn't really in anyones airspace properly who the crew are, or should be speaking too. The crew have acknowledged the handoff to Ho Chi Mien, so the Malaysians probably though they were talking to them, the Vietnamese probably didn't know control had been handed over to them, so everyone thinks it's everyone else's problem. Which lends far more credence to the aircraft under control and there was no emergency theory. Deliberately flying on a course that makes everyone think someone else is talking to it is going to result is no one doing anything until it's long gone. There being no other reasonable explanation for tootling off down South. Why would someone do that? That's the big unknown.

The RMAF by the way have a reasonably large fighter force, consisting of F5's, F18's, Mig29's and SU30's.
 
Bernie174 said:
The RMAF by the way have a reasonably large fighter force, consisting of F5's, F18's, Mig29's and SU30's.
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but do they have any on hot pad status for intruders ? - I can't imagine who they'd think might be going to attack them. All the fighters under the sun aren't going to help if they are defueled and sat in revetments, and the pilots are unavailable
 
Fox news have been saying that for a while - its still cobblers

I can't help feeling the American's might have noticed , what with all the surveliance they put into that part of the world - and how did the wreckage wind up down south
 
I would think in the same way as we have QRA, so does Malaysia, no point in having these toys if you don't have them available. Given that Malaysia has a 9/11 type target in it's capital, I would put cash on them having something ready to roll. But it's all academic if the unknown radar bleep is skirting their ADIZ, and showing no signs of entering it.
Obviously it is reliant of the air defence monitoring actually happening anyway. If no one is watching the radar then it wouldn't be flagged as a possible intruder, so no action would take place.
I can't see any mention of Malaysia having tankers, but for a short range flight it wouldn't be needed. SU30's and Mig29's aren't that short on legs.
 
treeman said:
Has wreckage been found then?
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Alledgedly yes - way down SW of Australia

Thing about fox news is that their name is also a description of what they do - as in 'they fox the news right up' they are to broadcast journalism what the sunday sport was to print media
 
The search seems to be drawing a lot of blanks.
 
We have now had 3 weeks of examination and searching and all that exists are records of brief data exchanges between the plane and an Inmarsat satellite plus a little radar information. All that has been recovered from the sea is fishing equipmet and flotsam.
Up a blind alley by the looks of things, unfortunately.
 
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