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Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre or maybe not!
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That is a rather stupid driver error, because getting too close to the vehicle in front will not let you see the road ahead, particularly on a single carriageway road such as this. The driver of the white car has all sorts of driver issues.
I do cover the brakes when I read a potential situation. Yes, it’s perhaps none standard, but neither am I
Do you use left foot braking then like racing drivers, because if you have your right foot on the gas, to overtake - as you should - then that is the only option.
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White car - a great example of another careless slow driver without any clue. 35mph moron nearly did that to me on Austrian motorway last year. They all seem too busy tailgating and being very afraid to even look around.
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That's very lucky indeed. Vehicle safety technology developed surprisingly far over last 15-20 years. That's kind of reassuring but you could also argue that white car moron presents a good case for mandatory lane change assistance aides as found in many premium cars. Also they could invent some very annoying beeper for tailgaters.
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The flipping was more to do with the banking than the speed. they would have turned over at even 30mph. the white car went over the kerb took out a white bollard and rode up the bank. the nose dug in and it lost a front wheel, and the back rose, and it rolled, the second part of the roll occurred as it came down the bank on to the level and turned onto its roof. as soon as it hit the bank at the angle it did and lost the front wheel. the rest was inevitable
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I luv the russan fail vids on youratube
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But the inertia to keep it going, the jump it makes and the distance travelled during plowing and flipping. It wont do that at 60kmh(~37mph) or slower
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It could have been an attempt to have a peek at the road ahead (tailgaters seem to do that repeatedly because they are too stupid to realise that a better view ahead can be had by not getting too close to the vehicle ahead).
Damned poor driving by the white car driver even before he moved into the path of the overtaking vehicle. To sit close to the white van creates a danger before anything else was thrown into the equation. Whenever I encounter a tailgater I cannot help but wonder what is the next stupid thing that driver will do. Drivers who sit too close to the vehicle in front must have a most peculiar mindset. How does anyone come to think that is an acceptable way to drive.
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She was not close enough to be anything like tailgaiting, more like following at a distance of some one with no intention to over take. I think she was just dithering and moving out to see if it was possible to overtake. And with out any thought some one might be overtaking her.
Watch the video again, and see how long it takes for the grey car to hit the van after being struck by the white car, it is virtually instantaneous, therefore the white car was only a couple of car lengths away from the van when the initial collision took place.
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It looks for all the world like the white car went wide to avoid the unicorn.
I can't see them but, given the amount of empty road straight line braking I encounter, they must be commonplace.
I can't see them but, given the amount of empty road straight line braking I encounter, they must be commonplace.
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"following at a distance of some one with no intention to over take" ........... Never heard of that definition. Certainly does not look like the white car could have pulled up safely if the vehicle ahead suddenly slowed down or stops.
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I do understand this comment and it's been worded well.
Want to overtake? hang back more than normal to allow a better view of the road ahead AND be able to get a bit of a run up before the overtake so you have a bigger speed differential to the vehicle being overtaken. (Within the speed limit).
As opposed to normal procession behind the vehicle in front and being considerate by leaving the gap big enough allow an overtaking car to come in in the event of their overtake needing to be aborted. Just because one car decides not to overtake (or has such a puny engine that in practical terms it can't), doesn't necessarily prevent someone else doing it, as long as it is safe to do so. This is also missing on today's world - sadly the mindset of most people is to keep the gap small enough to prevent someone cutting in if they need to.
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Can I add this from the M1. When two cockwombles meet. It's a long video but really sets the scene for the accident. Dashcammer is outside lane hogger, blocks impatient driver in the swift. It can only ever end one way
Comments are great - Cammer complains he got a ban, huge fine...
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How did that one end out? In count, findes for both or?
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Don't know we only have the dashcammer saying he got a huge fine & ban. I'm guessing the swift driver got similar.
They were lucky they only took themselves out.
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Given that he posted the video to Youtube, I'm guessing that he thinks he's in the right and he was expecting everyone to comment as such.
He's a moron
exactly. his comments during the driving alone prove that. seemed to be looking for sympathy for being involved in the "accident" ... i'd call it assault with a vehicle!
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I didnt have the sound turned on, but I did holler get out of the "fast lane" you bell end! More than once.
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There are a number of reasons why this accident happened imo. Overtaking more than one vehicle at time is always a risk, and really should be discouraged. It was a risky overtake because there was insufficient gap between the white car and the van for them to pull into, if something had suddenly joined the road, or appeared from a dip. Whilst the driver in the white car really should have indicated, and therefore takes a share of the responsibility, they didn't start the manoeuvre until the grey car was almost passed so Im not completely certain the accident would have been avoided by them indicating. Because the grey car was on the outside lane, they could very well have been in their blind spot. Further, if they had looked in their rear view mirror, they may have believed it was safe to overtake. The grey car was in the outside lane for a long time, far too long to be certain other road users were aware of them. Its ok saying, I'm a perfectly good driver and can judge when it safe to drive fast, but a part of driving safely is to anticipate what other road users are likely to do, and from the video its seems clear to me that the white car may very well try and overtake the van.
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I pretty much drive with lights on all time just a habit from the bike pretty much.
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It is probably good practice to have your lights on when manoeuvring in a line of fast moving traffic. As it increases the odds you will be noticed. But you still can not rely that people always will. However flashing your lights just annoys people.
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Here in DK lights on while is required by law. Most cars come with the "driving lights" preprogrammed though many does not have the rearlights on then. That's a problem during winter and early mobning late nights when you can catch up to an almost "black" car.
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Yeah staying in the fast lane when cars from behind want to pass, accelerating in order to prevent the Swift to overtake (though illigal) then speeding to catch up and without hesitation trying to overtake on the inside of him. IDIOT
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True he could have moved out of the fast lane a few times, however they were passing under numerous gantries showing 60mph limit. If he was travelling at 60mph and making ground on cars needing to overtake, he didn't really have reason to move over.
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Of course if it's a Mk1 it's simply cool to drive with the lights on anyway. Pop Ups woot!
He flew into the outside lane straight away, and by the time he got to a gantry showing 60mph, the lane to the left was plenty clear ... but by that time, the k******d in the swift was tailgating him and so the 'fun' began. No excuse for either of them.
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Watch again, yes he went straight to the outside lane but the road was clear in front and behind and he was overtaking slower traffic. He over took the white Golf as he approached the 1st 60mph gantry and slowed I assume to 60, he couldn't move over at that point as the Golf hadn't slowed and under took him, I wouldn't have moved over neither until I was fairly sure of what the Golf driver would do next.
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And undertook because it didn't slow for the 60mph limit. Like I said I wouldn't have moved over until I was sure of the Golf drivers next move. Also the cars were now within the 60mph limit so giving the dashcam driver the benefit of the doubt and he was doing 60mph there was no need to move over. I always find when in reduced speed limit zones on motorways, the road gets quite congested and it makes much more sense to remain in your lane if travelling at the limit as it gives other road users plenty of room.
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Strangely enough I nearly saw that repeat on M6 (near Liverpool) through the roadworks (50mph) last night. Idiot in scrapper Fiesta nearly took out car in lane 3 going at legal speed. Poor guy was lucky he had generous spare space to the central reservation for avoidance manoeuvre.
I am now really worried this is a nasty habit of many...
I am now really worried this is a nasty habit of many...
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Its the law in many countries and simply a very good practice to follow. Crucial for dark / grey cars.