Mindless Cruelty

[Cobra]

Karma or Korma :shrug:

 

[Lynton]

The best sales team to benefit my company is the Marks & Spencers inspectors To be fair though, things have moved on a bit through legislation and it's not that easy today for a company to do as you suggest.

Funnily enough M&S were the only "Major" supermarket not to touch the company I worked for, but I am talking nigh on 20 yrs ago, so I hope things have improved by lots now!

 

[SarahLee]

Leigh,

You're obviously very passionate about this, but I think you're being a little unfair with some of your posts.
I'm fairly certain that people would be just as outraged if a cow, pig or sheep was shot 14 times in the head with an airgun just for the fun of it. It's not a case of double standards due to one animal being cuddlier / cuter than another, it's just that the issue about farming and slaughter is a completely separate topic entirely.

I say this as somebody who likes to know where my food comes from and where it's been reared. However, you can't possibly compare slaughter for food to euthanasia of a pet. The prospect of a pet being stunned and then having a bolt shot through its head by a vet is just as bad as a pet having its throat slit to end its suffering, but again IMO it's not a case of double standards, but rather one of necessity. Two completely different situations.
Unfortunately there is no such thing as instantaneous death, and the drugs used for pet euthanasia would render meat unfit for human consumption. The best that we can hope for is that animals are slaughtered as humanely as possible with the minimum of suffering and distress. As to which method is the most humane I'm sure that there are arguments for and against a variety of means, but ultimately none are going to be totally sanitised and pain free.

 

[Splog]

Leigh,

You're obviously very passionate about this, but I think you're being a little unfair with some of your posts.
I'm fairly certain that people would be just as outraged if a cow, pig or sheep was shot 14 times in the head with an airgun just for the fun of it. It's not a case of double standards due to one animal being cuddlier / cuter than another, it's just that the issue about farming and slaughter is a completely separate topic entirely.

I say this as somebody who likes to know where my food comes from and where it's been reared. However, you can't possibly compare slaughter for food to euthanasia of a pet either. The prospect of a pet being stunned and then having a bolt shot through its head by a vet is just as bad as a pet having its throat slit to end its suffering, but again IMO it's not about double standards just one of necessity.
Unfortunately there is no such thing as instantaneous death, and the drugs used for pet euthanasia would render meat unfit for human consumption. The best that we can hope for is that animals are slaughtered as humanely as possible with the minimum of suffering and distress. As to which method is the most humane I'm sure that there are arguments for and against a variety of means and ultimately none are going to be totally sanitised and pain free.

Sarah, I think the point is that there are more humane ways of killing animals for food than by slitting their throats and letting them bleed to death!

 

[Marc]

Sarah, I think the point is that there are more humane ways of killing animals for food than by slitting their throats and letting them bleed to death!

I'm sure there are Steve, but we have to be realistic. It's a religious practise that's been going for thousands of years, it ain't going to stop anytime soon.

 

[malo50]

Insightful contribution there. Funny how some people condemn and point accusatory fingers when someone brings up an uncomfortable subject, instead of actually contributing anything of any depth. I can think of many smug, self righteous responses here but I won't stoop that low.

You have no idea how my value system affects how I live my life. My comment was about your preachy and condescending posts, and the assumption that those who abhor the shooting of swans don't abhor all aspects of animal cruelty.

I do a round trip of 80 miles to buy meat from a butcher who slaughters his own meat on site, I only eat free range eggs and chicken. Just because you have strong opinions, shouldn't blind you to the opinions of those who share them, but still find you self righteous and condescending.

Your liberal indignation, here and on other threads are both annoying and negatively affecting the message you're trying to send.

 

[Lynton]

so let me get this straight........

the thread started as

A link to a swan being shot in the head 14 times, (which on my scale of punishment whould be deemed inhumane)

though to

arguing the toss over whether a halal butcher is more cruel than docking a lamb's tail?

The words "and topic off thread " are barrelling into this conversation....

 

[Matt]

so let me get this straight........

the thread started as

A link to a swan being shot in the head 14 times, (which on my scale of punishment whould be deemed inhumane)

though to

arguing the toss over whether a halal butcher is more cruel than docking a lamb's tail?

The words "and topic off thread " are barrelling into this conversation....

well its meandering, thats for sure.

 

[Oggy]

I hope they catch the culprit and a firm believer in the eye for eye and tooth for tooth in situations like that. However I'd prefer a softnose parabellum or a hollowpoint.

Surprised theres no comment from a tree hugging weird beard to say its not the kids fault etc etc....

Tree hugger - yes.
Weird - yes.
Beard - yes.

Not their fault - yeah right!. Turn them to soap.

...and their parents for bringing them up with no morals.

Points?

 

[PatrickO]

I heard there are organised gangs who breed birds specifically to take them out and shoot them. Apparently the police can do nothing about it as there's a loophole in the law which makes it legal.

 

[Keith W]

Blimey this thread went slightly OT didn't it??

The pond the swans live on is right next to a child's play park, which has had broken glass buried in the bark flooring and excrement spread on all of the swings and other children's rides/toys.

A lot is done in the area to make it more pleasent for eveybody but it seems of late that a few mindless idiots want to spoil it for eveyone, the swan incident being the latest.

 

[DropDead]

Look at all the beef up in this grill ;D

The way I view it is shooting an animal for mindless fun is cruel, killing animals for survival (I.E Food) isn't and yes maybe it is a bit inhumane on how they go about doing it but how else do you think they're going to feed billions of people.. what by taking an animal at a time? No by mass slaughter..

And no you can't compare the two because we dont shoot animals for fun and then eat it, we kill the animals to survive

And I don't think anyone here could agree that how we farm the animals is the right way of doing it but if you've got a demand of millions of people please tell me how you would go about supplying for the millions of people...


I mean if I had the means, the money and the know how on how to do things differntly then I would probably give it a go.. but as I don't I won't.
But for sure as hell on a Sunday I want that big juicy chicken infront of me, do I care how it got there.. no! Do I care that its big and tasty... hell yeah!

Do I want to go to my local park and see a swan with with 14 bullet holes in it or mashed on the floor, hell no!



As alot of things in this world,

ITS JUST THE WAY THE COOKIE CRUMBLES, just accept it how it is as your never going to piece it back together

and that's DD's 2cents on the matter!

 

[SteveH40]

Blimey this thread went slightly OT didn't it??

The pond the swans live on is right next to a child's play park, which has had broken glass buried in the bark flooring and excrement spread on all of the swings and other children's rides/toys.

A lot is done in the area to make it more pleasent for eveybody but it seems of late that a few mindless idiots want to spoil it for eveyone, the swan incident being the latest.

So sad that certain elements of society have no morals or conscience. Hopefully they will get drunk, take a heroin overdose and die in a cold and degrading manner

 

[Russ77]

Well this sure was an interesting read

My 2 pennies worth (for anyone who cares)......

The mindless, moronic idiots who shot the swan need to be punished to the full extent of the law. OK, it was "only" (in their eyes) a swan this time but what if it's children playing in the park the next? Step away from the emotiveness (think I just invented a new word) of a beautiful swan being shot and possibly leaving behind it's life-long mate and offspring.

The point is (IMO) someone shot another living thing for no apparent reason, why did this happen?

We can talk all day about live animal hunting/shooting, killing animals for food etc but these are things that have been deemed "OK" by many cultures over hundreds/thousands of years. We will all have different views as to whether shooting ducks for sport is OK or whether the way certain animals are slaughtered for religious reasons is acceptible or not but that's not something that's ever going be decided on or solved here or anytime soon

To me this is the same mentality of those involved in the riots back in August, "So what, nuffin's gonna 'appen to us even if we get caught", they have no reason to do this sort of thing, they don't even know why they're doing it, they just do and that mentallity poses a big threat to society.

I believe we need to adopt more of a zero-tollerance policy against young offenders.... you do somthing bad, you get caught and bad stuff happens to you as these type of people seem to not understand that there are consequencies to their actions

 

[AlanoDale]

(addendum to this - about 6 months later I caught lead little scrote again , this time urinating on an old lady in a wheel chair - presumably old ladies dont matter either )

Please tell me that some kind of action was taken over this, because at the moment my blood is boiling reading that!!

 

[big soft moose]

Please tell me that some kind of action was taken over this, because at the moment my blood is boiling reading that!!

well I reasoned vigourously with him, the police came out , he was detained and suprise suprise got community service (again)

however the old lady happened to have a big hairy son ,(I know because he came looking for me to thank me for looking after his ma ) who had some big hairy mates.... so i think its fair to assume that the perpetrator may have had the error of his ways explained to him.

(I also have to note that this kind of thing is regretably common - I also once found an old lady on a disablity scooter who was marooned after some charming young men had deflated her tyres ... we never caught up with the scrotes concerned in that incident, but at least we got our portable compressor out to reinflate her wheels)

 

[DorsetDude]

however the old lady happened to have a big hairy son ,(I know because he came looking for me to thank me for looking after his ma ) who had some big hairy mates.... so i think its fair to assume that the perpetrator may have had the error of his ways may have been explained to him.

Most excellent.

 

[AlanoDale]

Phew, hopefully his education will have worked. Congrats to you for keeping your cool

 

[Cobra]

however the old lady happened to have a big hairy son ,(I know because he came looking for me to thank me for looking after his ma ) who had some big hairy mates.... so i think its fair to assume that the perpetrator may have had the error of his ways explained to him.

A nice heart warming story to start the week-end with
(assuming of course it was a verbal exchange.)
We can't have violence bestowed up on poor little mites, that
have come from a depraved deprived background

 

[big soft moose]

A nice heart warming story to start the week-end with
(assuming of course it was a verbal exchange.)
We can't have violence bestowed up on poor little mites, that
have come from a depraved deprived background

I honestly dont know if they caught up with him or what happened next .. though if it had been my wheelchair bound relative he urinated on, much of his education would have been of a practical and forthright nature

 

[Cobra]

I honestly dont know if the caught up with him or what happened next .. though if it had been my wheelchair bound relative he urinated on, much of his education would have been of a practical and forthright nature

Oh I would feel the same way believe me

 

[u8myufo]

I honestly dont know if they caught up with him or what happened next .. though if it had been my wheelchair bound relative he urinated on, much of his education would have been of a practical and forthright nature

Well if it were me I am afraid not only would he have had trouble using his hands for a while, but he would have experienced what it was like tasting hospital food through a straw.