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I was at a wedding at the weekend and the team of photographers were all using Canon 5D MKIIs along with the metz 45 cl4 kit (i've linked the amazon details below of that kit and it's big brother).

I am interested in getting one of these for myself but am also open to similar kits under a different marque.

i'd want powerful as well as fast recycling times, the METX main flash unit is multi-directional and has a fill-flash front light also.

any recommendations?

I think neither of these kits can do HSS and I think that's about the only thing!



Metz 76 MZ-5 Digital Flashgun
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....akeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en



Metz 45 CL4 Digital Flashgun Kit
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Metz-CL4-Di...PK/ref=sr_1_81?ie=UTF8&qid=1322511257&sr=8-81
 
I have a 45 CL4 that I no longer use- great bit of kit and light use only-come back to me if you might want a sniff.

rgds

AC
 
I have the Metz 45 CL4 digital see photo.

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I use it all the time, in fact I am of the old school my flash, this or one of my others is always with me, I can shoot upto 1/8000th as the metz has HSS

I also have the SCA 3045/3042 for my sons Nikon to take this, and use it with a Quantum battery 2.

The Quantum Turbo only reduces the recycle to 1.75 seconds from 3.5 seconds so for me is pointless.

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Shot at 30' at three frames a second and the 45 keeps up fine.

All three on wireless with wireless remote, I usually shoot from a hide with the camera some way away.

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hangerhead said:
I was at a wedding at the weekend and the team of photographers were all using Canon 5D MKIIs along with the metz 45 cl4 kit (i've linked the amazon details below of that kit and it's big brother).

I am interested in getting one of these for myself but am also open to similar kits under a different marque.

i'd want powerful as well as fast recycling times, the METX main flash unit is multi-directional and has a fill-flash front light also.

any recommendations?



Despite what anyone says get the digital version not the old non digital the flash trigger voltages are all important you don't want to fry your camera, see.

http://www.botzilla.com/photo/strobeVolts.html the standard one is your call 16.85-16.88V whereas the new digital is about 6v

Please buy from a good dealer, such as morris photo. Support camera shops

I didn't go for the larger metz as the separate parts are a pain, and the 45 is legondery, I had a 45 cl1 for years till it was stolen.
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andycubin said:
I have a 45 CL4 that I no longer use- great bit of kit and light use only-come back to me if you might want a sniff.

rgds

AC
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The trigger voltage of this is 16.85-16.88V so not really for digital to be safe.
 
some excellent replies here and I thank you all.
the 45 Cl (for sale/andy cubin) thanks however as warned by JSER, i'll give it a bye.

cheers.
 
Most people would never cosnider the trigger voltage of a gun, I use my Nikkormat FTn a bril film camera with my Sunpak AZ 4000, a quality top of the range flash and bought new by me in the 70s,

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Put it on a new camera and watch it burn

Trigger voltage 200V

Beware all who buy old used flash for their kit

http://www.botzilla.com/photo/strobeVolts.html
 
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Trigger voltage for canons is 250v, I think it was only 6v on the 300d and may be the 10d. I've been using an old sunpak flash on my 350d for years with no trouble.
 
Bluetooth said:
Trigger voltage for canons is 250v, I think it was only 6v on the 300d and may be the 10d. I've been using an old sunpak flash on my 350d for years with no trouble.
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absolutely not true

"Note that the damage to the camera can be subtle and cumulative - simply hooking up the flash and seeing if it works is no guarantee that the high voltage isn’t slowly damaging your camera’s flash circuit - arcing and pitting connectors and breaking down internal components. (of course, Canon is probably being a bit conservative with its 6 volt limit, so you might not be taking a huge risk if the voltage of your flash unit is a tiny bit over) Note also that the power supply used by the flash is irrelevant - it has no bearing on the trigger voltage. Many Canon Speedlite flash units, for example, can use high voltage battery packs but they still have low trigger voltages. And portable battery-powered flash units may require 6 volts in battery power but nonetheless may step up the trigger voltage considerably. "

This is a quote from

http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/index2.html

Canon quote 6v for DSLRs, there are many people on this forum who advise the safety of a device to limit the voltage,

http://www.shutterbug.com/content/u...flash-digital-cameras-what-works—what-doesn’t


Flash Unit “Transformers”, £60 from WEIN

This is the only way, sorry.

Buy hey, it's not my camera.
 
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http://www.botzilla.com/photo/strobeVolts.html is handy for telling you what voltage the flash units are, but it's from 2004 so the trigger voltage bit is years out of date.

Jeremy, in the second link you posted it also states that
Maximum voltage recommendations vary from firm to firm and camera to camera. For instance, Nikon says their digital cameras are safe for up to 250v from flash units. Canon recommends 6v or less for some digital models, while others are said to be safe up to 250v.
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from this site http://dpanswers.com/content/genrc_flash_measuretv.php#tv you can see that they have the answer from a guy at Canon
an email from Chuck Westfall (Director, Media & Customer Relationship, Canon USA), posted in this thread in DPreview's Canon EOS 350D/300D forum in April 2005 by Doug Kerr had the following to say about trigger voltages:


The EOS Digital Rebel XT [350D] uses a modified version of the EOS 20D's shutter unit. Consequently, acceptable trigger circuit voltage for both cameras is the same, i.e., 250 volts. Except for the original Digital Rebel [300D], all current EOS digital SLRs (i.e., EOS-1Ds Mark II, EOS-1D Mark II, EOS 20D and EOS Digital Rebel XT) generate their X-sync signals electronically rather than mechanically. This is why they have higher acceptable trigger circuit voltage ratings than earlier models like the D30, D60, 10D and original Digital Rebel [300D]. These older models cannot be modified to achieve a higher trigger circuit voltage rating, since such a modification would require a different shutter mechanism as well as a complete redesign of the supporting circuitry.

I take this to mean that all Canons DSLRs newer than the 350D, as well as all the professional models, can use flash with trigger voltages up to 250 volts in their hot-shoe. However, 6 volts may be the safe limit for the D30, D60, 10D, 300D, and Canon's digital compact cameras.
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Like I say I have had the 350D since new, and it is still working fine with older flash guns 5 years later.

Chris
 
The link may be old but a 45 cl4 in 2004 still has the same trigger voltage today that does not change neither does any of the stated voltages.

As I said it's not my camera so hey I have nothing to lose.

I am just advising others who may care to take care.
 
Yes the flash has the same trigger voltage, I will not argue with that, but the Canon trigger voltage has changed, from 6v to 250v.
 
Bluetooth said:
Yes the flash has the same trigger voltage, I will not argue with that, but the Canon trigger voltage has changed, from 6v to 250v.
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No you are wrong

Canon

For connection through a pc-connector, Canon lists the maximum safe trigger voltage in the manual (e.g. 250 volts). However, this number does not apply to the hot-shoe. Canon does not officially give out information on the safe voltage for hot-shoe mounted flash units (beyond the obvious recommendation that you should only mount one of the Canon's own Speedlites in the hot-shoe).


A quote from 2011

http://dpanswers.com/content/genrc_flash_measuretv.php

Research
 
That's from the same site I quoted Jeremy, read the next paragraph down, the email from Canon.

The op has a 1ds ii, that has a trigger voltage of 250v, and that's from Canon ! So he will be fine with the metz flash.
 
Bluetooth said:
That's from the same site I quoted Jeremy, read the next paragraph down, the email from Canon.

The op has a 1ds ii, that has a trigger voltage of 250v, and that's from Canon ! So he will be fine with the metz flash.
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For your information I have this morning telephoned Canon UK and been informed that they do not advise any flash with a trigger voltage over 12v.
 
Sorry to dive in fellas, do you have any shots of this outfit in action Jeremy? I would like to see how you've camo'd that tripod and speedlights.

Being a pain, just interested.
 
The camo is easy on my manfrotto monopod too.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-STEAL...Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item19c90c4e6b

Two rolls £8 does a tripod, monopod and gimbal, and after 6 months I have just taken it off, wasked it and will be putting it back THATS value.

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The camera is also at the time covered with a bandana camo, £2 each, one covers the camera and all the flash handle and mounts, washes well too

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Camouflag...3?pt=Men_s_Accessories_UK&hash=item5182752ffd

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Mahoneyd187 said:
Sorry to dive in fellas, do you have any shots of this outfit in action Jeremy? I would like to see how you've camo'd that tripod and speedlights.

Being a pain, just interested.
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Isn't that what forums are for...:thinking::lol:
 
Just out of interest - I have a Metz 45CT4 flash which I use with my 5DMkII - set up with a slave cell with a Prolinca IR trigger on the hot-shoe - no worries about frying tonight:naughty:

Yes it means setting manually but it's such a great flashgun and so powerful I have no problems. ( I also use a 430EXII)
 
Bluetooth said:
That's probably because canon flashes are 12v or less !
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I believe Canon, and again I personally would not use the Metz 45 CL old version.

I called them back and they said this applies to ALL DSLR's

Sorry.

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Date:
01/12/2011

Service Request: **********

Dear Mr. Rundle,

Thank you for contacting Canon.

Regarding your enquiry about the voltage on a EOS 60D for usage of external flashes, I would advise you to use the Canon Speedlites that go up to aproxamatly to 6V. Our older external flashes, and those of other brands could be higher. There is a risk involved when using flashes that have more that 6V, because you could overload and burn your 60D. If this the case, the repair could not be covered under warranty. So once again I advise to use voltages of 6V. (not 200+ as has been stated on this forum)

Once again thank you for contacting Canon. For further enquiries please contact us back.


Yours sincerely,




Saskia Taildeman
Canon Services & Support
 
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Mahoneyd187 said:
Thanks fella :) some serious gear you've got there! Toys!
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Actually as a single father who has brought up three disabled sons now 21, 18 and 16 (16 still at home) I don't smoke, drink (can't afford it) or gamble, I am an extrovert Saggitarian and love photography.

All my and my 16 year old sons kit was stolen 8 months ago, what you see is the replacements, I could never in a lifetime have afforded to replace it myself.

BE INSURED new for old, I thank God I was.
 
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