Mental Illness and Photography

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:)Okay, so the title for the thread is somewhat misleading, but I was wondering...

As a sufferer of mental illness I really want to do some kind of photo project surrounding mental illness, and while I have a million thoughts swirling around my head I was just wondering if I could have some imput.

I was thinking of doing 1, some portrait work - emotions namely, with the apropriate make up and lighting etc.

Hmm...thoughts have stopped...any ideas to trigger some creativness?
 
How about something that shows peoples achievements and happiness despite their difficulties? Something that would help to show achievement, inclusion in everyday things, happiness etc. despite... something positive like that?

We've just had the Olympics and the positive message it sent so maybe whatever you do could have a very positive message too?
 
How about a bit of story with that camera, choose a location in a town or city, would maybe need a larger one and have a chat with people like big issue sellers, many have great stories to tell about their life and stay and take some pictures of them and the different people who come and buy, would be good to see some natural shots of the day
 
The pile of mail inside the front door.

The bomb site that's the kitchen.

A person in the street from behind a curtain.

A blank wall.

A full ashtray.

The new mower, still in its box, in the jungle of a garden.

The cat asleep on the pile of clothes that really should be washed.

Yes - portraits.

Edit: Oh yes - and the back of the girlfriend walking down the garden path with her suitcase.

Sorry to be down after the previous post.

Alan makes a good point, but what do you want to show?
 
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How about some street photography. Get chatting to your subjects and ask them to show an emotion?
You might be surprised by the responses but it could be interesting
Not entirely about mental illness, but will show the workings of individual minds
 
Mind did a campaign a few years back showing portraits of successful, well dressed, happy looking people who all suffered from mental health illnesses. The idea was to help remove stigma by emphasising that it is possible to suffer from such an illness and still look normal, have a good job, be happy etc

Maybe something along these lines
 
I work in mental health in nottingham and all the artwork on the wards and training department are by ex-service users. There are some incredible thought provoking photographs amongst that.

Sorry that in no way answers your question :thinking:
 
Mind did a campaign a few years back showing portraits of successful, well dressed, happy looking people who all suffered from mental health illnesses. The idea was to help remove stigma by emphasising that it is possible to suffer from such an illness and still look normal, have a good job, be happy etc

Maybe something along these lines

Yup. Sounds good. I don't remember anything about that but I do remember a TV ad showing a bloke working in an office... another bloke comes up to him and asks him how he is...

Maybe photos could show people doing everyday / happy / successful and productive things with no outward sign of mental illness, like the bloke in the TV office ad. I suppose the message could then be that you may not be able to tell from looking at someone that they have a mental health issue and that they can still be happy / productive.
 
The pile of mail inside the front door.

The bomb site that's the kitchen.

A person in the street from behind a curtain.

A blank wall.

A full ashtray.

The new mower, still in its box, in the jungle of a garden.

The cat asleep on the pile of clothes that really should be washed.

Yes - portraits.

Edit: Oh yes - and the back of the girlfriend walking down the garden path with her suitcase.

Sorry to be down after the previous post.

Alan makes a good point, but what do you want to show?

Way to go perpetuating all the negative stereotypes :/
 
I suffer from Bipolar, and have a few other more pressing mental health issues. One thing I find with people doing project based on metal illness is they can only represent their view of it.. its no good asking what makes a thought provoking picture that shows metal illness, you can't show it, only what people expect to see.:cuckoo:

I am a photographer, I also happen to have a metal health issue.. I would never try to add to the stereo typical images we see of metal heath issues.
It is the patronizing attitude that pigeon holes metal health into some kind of image.. we are all the same on the outside.:shrug:
you cant show metal heath as it truly is without adding to the boring typecast pictures produced every day by the "service" to show how it affects us..:nono:

I am a person first.. last and foremost...
what would you like to promote...the image of selfharm/ect or the image the "service" has done good to help us.
Its nothing new, why add to the ever increasing drull images of something you cant show without siding up to one view.:bonk:
 
The pile of mail inside the front door.

The bomb site that's the kitchen.

A person in the street from behind a curtain.

A blank wall.

A full ashtray.

The new mower, still in its box, in the jungle of a garden.

The cat asleep on the pile of clothes that really should be washed.

Yes - portraits.

Edit: Oh yes - and the back of the girlfriend walking down the garden path with her suitcase.

Sorry to be down after the previous post.

Alan makes a good point, but what do you want to show?


That's the most inappropriate set of suggestions I've ever heard. If you want to take photographs that re-enforce stereotypes, perpetuate myths and alienate sufferers of mental illness by marginalising them even more... do the above. I'm sure simon-ess meant well... there was no malice in his post, but Kabooi.... please don't shoot any of that.

To the OP
Question: Do you want to show what it's like to suffer from whatever mental illness you are suffering from? If so, start looking at images now.. as many as you can, and put all the ones that strike a chord with you on a page. These don't have to be images of people, and certainly shouldn't be images of "mental health" issues... just images of anything. Look at how some of them evoke emotions regardless of subject. For instance, if you feel fear as a result of your illness, find images that evoke fear, then identify what it is about the image that does this to you. Keep doing this until you have a "toolkit" of visual emotions. Then apply these to almost any photograph you choose. It's about getting across your emotions, feelings etc, not portraits of people in various states of distress.. that's too obvious, and too negative.

As an example, if you feel demotivated, drab, grey, isolated.. look at the architectural work of Bernd and Hilla Becher. These maybe buildings, but to me, they capture a grey, industrialised dystopia that actually makes me a little depressed... maybe take some styling cues from them, and purposely shoot the every day things we ALL see, but as YOU see them. Use colour, tone, shape and form to convey being depressed (I'm not assuming you are depressed... I'm just using depression as an example). Look up "New Topographics" in Google to see a style of photography that was meant to strip away the BS of everyday life, and show the world for what it is, essentially empty and devoid of anything particularly exciting. There's a raw beauty on some of this work, but it's hard, edgy, unsettling and causes dissonance. Rather like depression does to you.

It's about capturing the qualities, not the subject itself.

Your original suggestion mentioned portraits, using make up and lighting... please don't do this.. it's way, way too obvious, and even though you mean well, you'll be creating a parody of yourself.

Shoot the WORLD as you see it.. use colour, tone, texture... How does the way you FEEL actually LOOK to you. Find images that capture it.

For instance again... you feel fear? Look up the series "The Animals" by Giacomo Brunelli. These images weren't meant to be a study in fear at all, but they scare me.. look at how that happens for you when you look at this work.

Never, ever do the obvious, so that means never ever do the first thing that comes into your head. I always discount the first idea I have... Shooting people made up to look [insert emotion here] and lit to exaggerate [insert emotion here] will be A) Contrived, B) negative and C) patronising and insulting to other sufferers.

Be clever.

Some images just evoke emotions.. so look at loads of them and learn what it is that does it. When I look at the work "Cape Light" by Joel Myerowitz I get a really strong sense of sweet melancholy... it's a bitter sweet mix of loss, fond memories, and sadness. No idea why... I just do... If I shot in that style, or knew how to capture it, I could shoot anything and convey that feeling.

That's better.. that's clever. Someone in make up looking depressed is a terrible idea.


I hope that helps... but dealing with emotions should be subtle, and remember, it's the emotions you want to capture, not necessarily the subject.

Question: Do you want to show the positive? It's already been suggested.. show fellow sufferers being NORMAL... being productive... being HAPPY... happiness is always present.. it may come and go... but it's never far away.



BTW.. if any of the usual suspects show up with "Pull yourself together" comments, can I suggest Mods perma-ban their ass?
 
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Way to go perpetuating all the negative stereotypes :/

Wrong!!

Simply outlining my own personal experiences of many years - some of which are ongoing.

The problem with portraqying people with mental illness as normally functioning individuals is that it perpetuates the myth that mental illness isn't really serious.

You know, they could "pull themselves together."
 
Same answer to Pookeyhead.

I guess it's too much of a personal thing to convey to anyone else.

I apologise if it offended anyone.

The OP doesn't state he's doing it for other people though, or for some sort of campaign.

I read it that he wanted to use photography to explore his own illness. Maybe I read it wrong.

If I was exploring my own illness I would shoot exactly what I suggested, because that's what it meant and means to ME.

And that, Pookeyhead, is not ridiculous.
 
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I did say there was no ill meaning or malice Simon. I just think your suggestion would be massively negative. Perhaps ridiculous was the wrong word, I apologise unreservedly for that and I have edited that post, but it's showing the results of your illness, not necessarily the emotions and personal feelings that made those results happen in the first place. Those suggestions are cataloguing events that happened to you as a result of your illness, but they may not have the same resonance with others. A full ashtray could be a result of anything.. a mower in a sea of grass could also show laziness or ambivalence to gardening, the girlfriend walking away could be for any reason. Together they may start to work if it was a set, but it's still looking at the aftermath and giving the impression that those who suffer from mental illness are utterly useless, dysfunctional people. At times you may have been, but I think doing something that evokes the emotions rather than the results would be more meaningful and could be appreciated by a wider audience too. Images like the ones you suggest could be regarded as someone trying to exorcise the chip on their shoulder and give fuel to the "pull yourself together" types.

We've already seen in the other thread looking at art and mental illness, just how much ignorance and misunderstanding there is out there regarding mental illness... I just think this needs subtlety, not not a sledgehammer blow.
 
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I take your point - and thankyou.

On reflection, I should have given the background to my reasoning. I can see now how those suggestions would be negatively received.

The TV advert that has been mentioned BTW, made me very angry.

You can probably guess why now.

Thanks again.

Edit: One last thought. I don't want to take a sledgehammer to it; I want to take an Uzi, a Chieftan tank a nuclear tipped cruise missile to it.

But that's just me. ;)
 
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Edit: One last thought. I don't want to take a sledgehammer to it; I want to take an Uzi, a Chieftan tank a nuclear tipped cruise missile to it.

But that's just me. ;)


But the reaction of others if you do that may be more negative as a result. It may make YOU feel better, but if you are creating artwork that's going to be used or disseminated, do you want to produce work that could be misconstrued by others as you feeling sorry for yourself?
 
I do have a couple of ex-forces friends both who suffer from PTSD. For some people even picking up a camera and leaving the house is a massive achievement. I believe the subject matter is irrelevant. The act of engaging in your environment and participating is the important factor, you will also benefit from the exercise too which is a bonus. Just get out there with your camera whilst its great to have some objectives they don't have to be too taxing - trying to improve your photography is a great place to start and that's something that we all try to do. Good luck, the fact that you're already thinking about this is brilliant step in the right direction. Why don'y you share your photographs on here. I'm sure you will get a lot of support.
 
Wrong!!

Simply outlining my own personal experiences of many years - some of which are ongoing.

The problem with portraqying people with mental illness as normally functioning individuals is that it perpetuates the myth that mental illness isn't really serious.

You know, they could "pull themselves together."



Thanks Simon, for many people the reality of mental illness is just how you have described it.
I suffered from depression around 12 years ago, and did not know what was happening to me, or the reasons for being depressed. My employer decided that I had to go, and it was only about four years ago, that I found that depression was a well known associated disorder caused by sleep deprivation, something which itself was caused by undiagnosed sleep apnoea.
I also know someone who ended it all after severe bouts of depression, so as well as highlighting the stories of people who battle against mental illness, there are also the inevitable cases of people who do not and cannot hope to cope with it.
 
Magnum showcase monthly winner in September was a man documenting his mother's schizophrenia: http://www.ideastap.com/people/chrisasadian/standard-portfolio/3789101e-9dd2-4318-838b-a0cd00cd820f/

There are shades of mental illness. From the extreme to the mild. If you have a mental illness anything you shoot will be filtered through that illness anyway. If you have a million thoughts try taking images that express some of those thoughts.

If someone does feel sorry for themselves why can't they show that's how they feel?
 
If someone does feel sorry for themselves why can't they show that's how they feel?

No reason if they want to. Just giving my opinion. I'd rather see the subject dealt with in a more subtle way. Those Magnum shots for example.. very powerful stuff of course and very enlightening, but for most people, mental illness is not quite so destructive in such a highly visible and explosive way. It's something that's always there in the background slowly eroding away your confidence, relationships, career and self-esteem. It's kind of pervasive, but sneaky. We all have our own take on this based on our experiences.

There are as many manifestations of mental illness as there are ways of shooting them of course.. only the OP will know what is best, but something that dwells on your own self-sorrow just may be less engaging than something that makes people feel things in themselves by using their own imagination. People don't want to feel sorry for other people, they want to understand, surely.

I'm not suggesting anyone in this thread is right, or wrong.. we're putting forward ideas for consideration. Using models, make-up etc though... as originally suggested; I just can't help but feel that will look contrived, and that will cheapen the whole thing if you ask me.
 
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Lots of mentions of sorrow and feeling sorry for oneself.

My overwhelming emotions were, when at my worst, rage and frustration that I couldn't get out from under the heavy, black blanket.

But as you say David, it's different for everyone.
 
Wrong!!

Simply outlining my own personal experiences of many years - some of which are ongoing.

The problem with portraqying people with mental illness as normally functioning individuals is that it perpetuates the myth that mental illness isn't really serious.

You know, they could "pull themselves together."

I know all about mental illness but still personally find your suggestions somewhat inappropriate, as they focus entirely on negative ideas and would simply reinforce them in viewers. You don't need to focus entirely on negative things in order to convey the notion that mental illness should be taken seriously; to be honest, I'd say the examples you've given, as applicable as they may be to many people, could easily be misconstrued by viewers with no personal experience of mental illness as laziness. While you and I know that ordinary, mundane tasks like mowing the lawn or cleaning ashtrays can seem overwhelming, this isn't going to translate easily to people who don't understand that.

I guess in the end it's true that perhaps there's no right or wrong way to go about approaching a project with such a personal slant. However, I'm a little tired of the usual stock image type approach which is generally always overwhelmingly negative.
 
... I really want to do some kind of photo project surrounding mental illness, ...
Hey Kabooi, if you can work out why you want to do this project you might understand more of what to do, and how suggestions would help.

For such a photo project the negative is easier to document than the positive, but both are equally relevant.
 
My overwhelming emotions were, when at my worst, rage and frustration that I couldn't get out from under the heavy, black blanket.

That nails it for what I went through about 20 years ago, describes it very well indeed. It was indeed anger at not being able to escape and many a coffee mug hit a wall!

I dunno, it really is so hard to describe but one lasting theme that I have to this day is that lurking somewhere behind me, in the shadows, "it" is still there and waiting for a moment to pounce. Now and then I do have to look over my shoulder and tell "it" to "**** off". Right now it's quite close due to a family bereavement last week and I can almost hear "it" breathing, I'm running like hell to try and outpace it.

There's a theme there to play with perhaps?
 
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This is the fruits of OCD and sadly no joke.

Although I really like the lifts and the whole project, it has taken its toll on those closest to me.
Its because when I start working on something, I don't think about anything else apart from reaching my target without failure.

Some call it dedication, well it is, but for me it reaches a point of obsession, the compulsion is to build the thing.
 
This will have to be my last post in this thread. It's all far too close to home.

Thanks to those who saw where I was coming from. May you always stay one step ahead of it.

To those who favour looking on the positive side - I appreciate where you are coming from and I'm delighted that your intentions are only for the best. Thanks.

I would like to make two points.

First, and I made this point earlier, I read the OP as wanting to use photography for his own investigation into mental illness. There is no mention of a wider audience.

Second, and perhaps a little controversial, IMO and in my experience, there is absolutely nothing, zero, nada positive about mental illness. Please don't tell me there is. There isn't.

I've spent in total about six years of my life staring at a wall, hiding from the postman and not going out in case I meet people, all of whom know what a ridiculous specimen I am.

Facing it, staring it down and learning how to manage it in all its gritty, nasty reality is how I deal with it; not by normalising it and prettying it up.

Pookeyhead - one of the things I learned during years of analytical psychotherapy was that we have no control over other's thoughts and perceptions. If I was to explore mental illness using the suggestions I made earlier, I wouldn't give a monkey's toss what others thought.

That's all folks - I'll write a book about the rest :)
 
I suffer from Bipolar, and have a few other more pressing mental health issues. One thing I find with people doing project based on metal illness is they can only represent their view of it.. its no good asking what makes a thought provoking picture that shows metal illness, you can't show it, only what people expect to see.:cuckoo:

I am a photographer, I also happen to have a metal health issue.. I would never try to add to the stereo typical images we see of metal heath issues.
It is the patronizing attitude that pigeon holes metal health into some kind of image.. we are all the same on the outside.:shrug:
you cant show metal heath as it truly is without adding to the boring typecast pictures produced every day by the "service" to show how it affects us..:nono:

I am a person first.. last and foremost...
what would you like to promote...the image of selfharm/ect or the image the "service" has done good to help us.
Its nothing new, why add to the ever increasing drull images of something you cant show without siding up to one view.:bonk:


Nice words:bonk:
 
Second, and perhaps a little controversial, IMO and in my experience, there is absolutely nothing, zero, nada positive about mental illness. Please don't tell me there is. There isn't.

I began having extreme mood swings at the age of 11 and after many bad episodes during my adolescent years and many different therapists, I was finally diagnosed as bipolar when I was 21 or 22. Two of my father's siblings also suffered from it and both died as a result of the destructive lifestyles their disorders lead them to, so I know all about the bad side of mental illness, having struggled most of my life with it, and having lost family because of it. But it's not all negative, because people can learn to identify triggers, and adapt their lifestyles to accommodate their problems. No, it's not all peachy for everyone and probably never will be, but the point is that some people can and do manage to overcome it, or at the very least learn to live with it. And that's the positive side; it's not a battle that will always be lost. While I would prefer to not be bipolar, I have been able to channel my energy into creative outlets, what with my career as an artist, and my hobbies playing music and doing photography (which I also do semi professionally, but it's mostly a hobby). These have been very positive things for me, and this is what I'm talking about when I say it's not all negative for everyone.
 
I'm not going to go into whatever issues I have and what's happened in my life but one thing that's kept me going in difficult times is that I'm going to survive and I'm going to thrive if only to spite my enemies and the universe in general.

So here's to surviving and thriving despite anything thrown at us!

Good luck with the project O.P. :D
 
Quite a claim.

I love the way you cherry picked a part of an earlier post while entirely overlooking my last post.

Or perhaps you're presumptuous enough to sit there and tell me what I do or don't know about? The arrogance of some of the forum members here is frankly astounding sometimes.
 
I love the way you cherry picked a part of an earlier post while entirely overlooking my last post.


Well... saying "I know all about mental illness" is a contentious thing to say in a thread full of people who suffer from mental illness. From your posts, you may know a great deal about Bi-Polar, but making a claim like "I know all about mental illness" seems a little extravagant.
 
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I took Mojo's comment as a humorous quip, didn't think it was a proper put-down.
The phrase "I know all about ..." doesn't mean "I know EVERYTHING about ..." it simply means "I have experience in ..."

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! :'(
 
I understood what you meant onona.
I also think Mojo was being tongue in cheek.

I take your point about survival and recovery being positive things.
But then recovering from a broken leg is positive. Having a broken leg is not.
 
Editied and removed my own comment after jumping in with both feet then re reading the whole thread and realising i misunderstood something...

Apologies
 
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Well... saying "I know all about mental illness" is a contentious thing to say in a thread full of people who suffer from mental illness. From your posts, you may know a great deal about Bi-Polar, but making a claim like "I know all about mental illness" seems a little extravagant.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the common colloquial use of the phrase "I know all about"; it's not a claim of expertise on a particular subject, it's a commonly used phrase denoting personal experience.
 
I understood what you meant onona.
I also think Mojo was being tongue in cheek.

I take your point about survival and recovery being positive things.
But then recovering from a broken leg is positive. Having a broken leg is not.

Thing is you can see the broken leg, you can't always see the mental illness ( hate that word) survival is being here now and recovery is waking up tomorrow.

Thing is I figured out a long time ago...those whom have it wish they did'nt know about it and those that don't have it always seem to know how it is !
 
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