Maximising depth of field

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At what point do you focus on to maximise the depth of field on a landscape (assume f16 or f22 is being used....and a solid tripod).
I tried the 'hyperfocal distance' as calculated by many online calculators (they all give roughly the same distance), I found that to be woefully inadequate, the background was very blurred.
Many say focus one third into the photo, so if the background is 3 miles away (as in mountains), that implies a focal point 1 mile away!!!
So maybe you focus one third of the way up the viewing screen in the camera, a bit of a problem if 2/3 of the photo is sky - focal point is the horizon.
So after many hours of reading on the Internet, I'm open to opinions.
 
Hyperfocal focusing sounds great. I used it for months, ruined holiday landscapes failed photos (don't use it). It's really simple without it just focus on a bit of the forground near to you, use between f8-f16 and you should be fine, when i was trying to conquer landscape photos i couldnt believe something like f8 would give me a landscape in focus. But it does.

Hope that helped
 
what lens are you trying to use? if it a consumer zoom model it might not have any distance information on it, and even if it does, it won't have any depth of field information. you really need to know the focal distance to be able to use depth of field calculators. they do work, and they should work for you too.
 
The info shown here seems simple enough. So long as you can estimate (say) how far 70.31m is when you're using a 150mm focal length at F16. Which of course, would be the difficulty.

http://www.vividlight.com/pdf/hyperfocal.PDF

Not that I know what the hell I'm talking about. Just thought I'd join in... :D
 
I can't see how the science of hyperfocal can fail :shrug:

It obviously needs the correct input parameters and a good judge of distance...but then it must work.

Bob
 
Some thoughts....

- On a crop body, especially with a high pixel density, diffraction will make your images look soft with apertures narrower than f/16. In fact, even beyond f/8 you may see MTF figures dropping. I don't know what body ot lens you are using but your success will be influenced by equipment capability as well as your own skills and the environment as a whole.

- Assuming you are shooting with wideish to ultra wide focal lengths, say 35mm or less on a crop body, then even at f/8 and 35mm the hyperfocal distance is 26.6', giving a close focus distance of just 13.3'. So focus at a distance of roughly the length of a through lounge and your close focus will be around the length of a dining room all the way through to infinity. These distances should not be so hard to judge. At shorter focal lengths it should be even easier to keep more of the scene in focus. However, be aware that lenses often do not deliver their best performance at either extreme of the focal length range. Some can be especially weak at their widest setting. Check out MTF figures at varying focal lengths and apertures for different lenses here - http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/Canon EOS Lens Tests.

- Things that are in the far distance can easily be affected by atmospheric effects like heat shimmer, mist/haze (especially over water), pollution etc.. Check with your own eyes that the atmosphere is clean when you take the shot, before assuming the equipment is at fault.

- When you shoot distant objects with a wide angle lens the details are simply too small to register as individual details on the sensor pixels. When the leaves on a distant tree cover less than one pixel each it will simply not be possible to record those details. Pixel peeping at 100% or 200% cannot magic out details that are physically impossible to capture. In general terms, you need to concentrate your focusing efforts nearer to you, to render sharply the objects where details can be seen easily and captured well. You may expect a sharp horizon 3 miles away, but you cannot expect to see fine details in your typical wide angle shot at that distance.

Other factors such as high ISO and consequential noise processing should be considered, as well as shutter speeds or equipment setup that may allow camera shake to show through.

Perhaps if you posted a sample image complete with EXIF data people could offer some more ideas. Ultimately, though, the hyperfocal distance and online calculators for these things should serve you perfectly well. Just don't be fooled into using a smaller aperture than you need - f/8 will likely be fine for many landscape situations.
 
Some thoughts....
What a shame we don't have the ability to rate individual posts. This one deserves 11 out of 10.
 
What a shame we don't have the ability to rate individual posts. This one deserves 11 out of 10.

I agree, a superbly well thought out and constructed post:thumbs:
Thanks TDodd
 
Thanks for the kind words, chaps.

By way of example, here are a couple of scenic shots with remarkably modest aperture settings, yet I think the DOF is adequate in both cases. These were shot in raw with my 30D and 17-55 lens and are unedited - simply resized in Lightroom 2 and converted to JPEG with standard output sharpening applied.

I've had to provide links rather than embedded images because the Talk Photography image handler seems to be resizing and downgrading image quality for embedded photos. EXIF data is in the image files.

55mm, f/5.6, 1/500, 100 ISO....

http://lh4.ggpht.com/EezyTiger/SJArDajmaeI/AAAAAAAAnOg/nZKWqHb7eKY/20070715_143243_LR.jpg

17mm, f/8, 1/250, 100 ISO....

http://lh6.ggpht.com/EezyTiger/SJArEK3x4eI/AAAAAAAAnOo/J7JboKRbGlg/20071202_153459_0616_LR.jpg

I certainly don't think I had any need for f/16, much less f/22
 
Thanks for the kind words, chaps.

By way of example, here are a couple of scenic shots with remarkably modest aperture settings, yet I think the DOF is adequate in both cases. These were shot in raw with my 30D and 17-55 lens and are unedited - simply resized in Lightroom 2 and converted to JPEG with standard output sharpening applied.

I've had to provide links rather than embedded images because the Talk Photography image handler seems to be resizing and downgrading image quality for embedded photos. EXIF data is in the image files.

55mm, f/5.6, 1/500, 100 ISO....

http://lh4.ggpht.com/EezyTiger/SJArDajmaeI/AAAAAAAAnOg/nZKWqHb7eKY/20070715_143243_LR.jpg

17mm, f/8, 1/250, 100 ISO....

http://lh6.ggpht.com/EezyTiger/SJArEK3x4eI/AAAAAAAAnOo/J7JboKRbGlg/20071202_153459_0616_LR.jpg

I certainly don't think I had any need for f/16, much less f/22

Sadly, your links aren't working...
 
OK. Embedded images here. Actually, the quality is now fine. I realised I had my browser set to shrink web pages....

This was taken on Southend Pier. It must be a good 1km or more to the tower blocks in the distance. EXIF = 55mm, f/5.6, 1/500, 100 ISO....

20070715_143243_LR.jpg


This was taken at Picton in New Zealand's South Island. It is very hard to retain much detail in a person's head when it only occupies about 4 X 4 pixels. EXIF = 17mm, f/8, 1/250, 100 ISO....

20071202_153459_0616_LR.jpg
 
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