manual or auto

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As far as im concerned , auto is the big green icon I use when i give the camera to my wife, otherwise its in AP mode, and I "manually" adjust the speed and ISO to get what I want. The sensor advises me what it thinks is right and I adjust to what I need using compensation or EL.

To the purists of "manual", I take it that in changing outdoor light you also NEVER use a light meter either!
 
Btw we still use in car ignition timers in race cars. Not much anymore but I still see them. Lol.

But do you insist on turning off traction control, engine management and all the other "auto" feature in the race car:thinking:
 
vizzair said:
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As far as im concerned , auto is the big green icon I use when i give the camera to my wife, otherwise its in AP mode, and I "manually" adjust the speed and ISO to get what I want. The sensor advises me what it thinks is right and I adjust to what I need using compensation or EL.

To the purists of "manual", I take it that in changing outdoor light you also NEVER use a light meter either!

It's a good theory, but can we stick to what the camera, manuals and manufacturers call Manual, for ease of clarification.

Technically AP, SP (AV TV) modes are semi auto, auto being Program or the sports, portrait etc modes.
 
thank you all for your advice. i am finding that whilst on manual i take a picture and then take one in auto and compare, alot of my work is done on manual but i am getting to grips with all the modes as i progress and challenge myself with my first dslr.

again thank you all for your input. daniel
 
vizzair said:
But do you insist on turning off traction control, engine management and all the other "auto" feature in the race car:thinking:

Traction control on a race car? We definitely have different opinions on what a race car is. Oh and if it had traction control that would be the first thing I would turn off.
 
Phil V said:
It's a good theory, but can we stick to what the camera, manuals and manufacturers call Manual, for ease of clarification.

Technically AP, SP (AV TV) modes are semi auto, auto being Program or the sports, portrait etc modes.

Seriously correct response. Think how messed up the conversation will get if everyone makes up their own names for the different modes.
 
Phil V said:
It's a good theory, but can we stick to what the camera, manuals and manufacturers call Manual, for ease of clarification.

Technically AP, SP (AV TV) modes are semi auto, auto being Program or the sports, portrait etc modes.

I have only been doing this for 5 weeks. So in answer to your question, no I have not used an external light meter yet. I do take full advantage of the cameras light meter through. I haven't dipped far into the subject but what I have read implies that they are useful but not necessary in a lot of situations. My gut thinks that getting one might be in my near future, especially if it will help me in my studies.
 
shaylou said:
I have only been doing this for 5 weeks. So in answer to your question, no I have not used an external light meter yet. I do take full advantage of the cameras light meter through. I haven't dipped far into the subject but what I have read implies that they are useful but not necessary in a lot of situations. My gut thinks that getting one might be in my near future, especially if it will help me in my studies.

Given that you have an entire 5 weeks experience, what can I take from ' I do take full advantage of the cameras light meter' Is it that you've completely studied the difference in the metering patterns, that you double check settings using a grey card?

Do you know when and how to use exp comp or when using manual, when and how to accurately meter and when to avoid changing the settings.

By 'full advantage' can I take it that you achieve consistent corrct exposures even in tricky conditions.
 
Phil V said:
Given that you have an entire 5 weeks experience, what can I take from ' I do take full advantage of the cameras light meter' Is it that you've completely studied the difference in the metering patterns, that you double check settings using a grey card?

Do you know when and how to use exp comp or when using manual, when and how to accurately meter and when to avoid changing the settings.

By 'full advantage' can I take it that you achieve consistent corrct exposures even in tricky conditions.

Why do you have to be so damn condensing?
 
I really don't mean to be condescending, I'm genuinely trying to be helpful.:)

When I asked the question about your metering methods, I had no idea of your level of experience, but obviously your knowledge and experience are an important factor in order to put your answers in context. When you say things like 'I do take full advantage of the cameras light meter' after 5 weeks of using a camera - we still have no idea what you mean by that. Because to put it bluntly, after 5 weeks it's quite possible you're in a state of Unconscious Incompetence*, but it's also possible that you're much further on than that.:) (lots of new users shoot more frames in 5 weeks than I shoot in a year)

It all comes down to my belief (see all over the 2 threads running on this subject - and other previous ones:() that exposure modes are the red herring that new photographers get drawn towards - when they should simply be learning about light and how to measure it. The thing is, it's easy to discuss camera modes and settings - it's very difficult to describe how exposing for the highlights works or even to see the density difference between correctly exposed images and incorrectly exposed ones - particularly when PSE has an 'auto levels' function.


To illustrate this, have a look down this forum from here and see how many auto vs manual threads there are, then see how many threads about actual exposure principles.:shake:

In fact, given the Auto Levels function, many photographers will believe that there's no point in getting too hung up on exposure, without realising that getting the basics right is what means that one day they can shoot great pictures. Whereas a sloppy attitude to technique means that their images will never completely satisfy them.

And it's not like photography is a single simple subject - with various different techniques I would still class myself as being at each of the last 3 learning levels below (after over 25 years - I know how much I don't know);)

* Learning levels:
  • Unconscious Incompetence - you don't realise how much you don't know.
  • Conscious Incompetence - you understand how much you need to learn
  • Conscious Competence - You can work things out yourself based on knowledge and experience
  • Unconscious Competence - You do things without even thinking about it (also the point at which we make serious mistakes because we're not thinking)

**think about how you learned to drive and you'll see the clearly defined stages.
 
Phil, I think by "take full advantage" Shaylou just meant that he uses it.

He is a newbie, no need to bombard him with information - he never asked for it and it's boring to read.
 
bomberman said:
Phil, I think by "take full advantage" Shaylou just meant that he uses it.

He is a newbie, no need to bombard him with information - he never asked for it and it's boring to read.

Really?

He asks an awful lot of questions for someone that doesn't want information. And how can you know what he meant? When it appears a long way from what he said?

And really, if you're not interested, you don't have to read it.
 
bomberman said:
Phil, I think by "take full advantage" Shaylou just meant that he uses it.

He is a newbie, no need to bombard him with information - he never asked for it and it's boring to read.

Yes sir you are correct, I'm a newbie for sure. But I'm studying my tail off and Phil has been a really big help with his detailed explanations. I find myself referring to what he said often days later after I come across the particular subject. When I need criticism I just go back and look at 90% of the pictures I have taken. So yes, be easy.... and thanks.
 
Conscious incompetence fits. Not that it really matters but I have put in between 30-40 hours a week studying, taking pics (2500), analyzing and asking a lot of question. So that probably puts me a couple of months ahead, (like it really matters). I realize how complicated this is and I'm fascinated by it all. I really agree with what was said about leaving it on auto mode and that is not why I bought a slr. I want to one day be able to look at a screen/subject and understand not only how to expose it correctly but how to exploit it. The pics that really impress me are the ones where the photographer took a ugly subject and made it beautiful with their person touch. Like a old paint peeling, run down building that somehow a wonderful picture was produced from.
Anyway, I have 100 pics from today to go through. At first glance it looks like I might if got 4 or 5 good ones. Frustrating day of shooting to say the least....

Phil I'm going to start another thread "beginner 24-70L lens question". If you have a chance I could really use your advise.
Thank.
 
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