Manual flash for backdrop

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Looking to have a play at portrait photography.

I have ordered to go with my current 430exII;

light stand
shoot through/reflective unbrella
pt-04 wireless set
umbrella mount

Can someone reconmend a flash to light the backdrop, looking cheap as im not sure if i will stick to this. :shrug:
 
You will be on manual, so any gun will do. Most people seem to go for older second hand ones when budget is tight. You will need an extra receiver to trigger it.
 
Does that mean i can use flashes desgned for a nikon?
 
Yes. Any gun, any brand is fine for remote firing. They all have either a hot shoe contact for firing, or a co-axial socket, or both.
 
I use two old Nissin 360TW's - got one of em for £8!
 
For lighting a backdrop is it best to fire at full power? Let's say I had a blue gel over the flash, is full power still best? Or does it depend on what result I want?
 
For lighting a backdrop is it best to fire at full power? Let's say I had a blue gel over the flash, is full power still best? Or does it depend on what result I want?

Yes, it depends entirely on the result you want, but in a studio situation you are often shooting at the higher end of the power output range. The biggest problem with hot shoe guns in a studio portrait situation is that they tend to be working very hard, if not flat out, and recycle times get long. (Moving the flash closer not only softens the light with a softbox/brolly, but also increases the brightness a lot so you can turn them down a bit more.)

Anything more than two or three seconds is a real pain and the batteries soon tire. If I had a pound for every picture I've taken where one or more of the flashes didn't fire, or went off half cock, I'd be very happy. Studio flashes recyle in 1-2 secs max. If you can reduce the power of hot shoe guns just by half recyle times are roughly halved.

do you think i should buy a high end flashgun (e.g. 580exII), then a few other cheaper / 3rd party flashes?

You can do a lot with just one powerful flash and the priority should always be to get the main key light right, with enough power to drive a softbox or brolly.

All the others are secondary fill lights (use a reflector instead) or effect/accent lights or background lights. If it was my choice, I would start with one good big unit and look to introduce second and third units as and when. This would also be a good learning experience too.

The new Nissin guns are getting good reviews and are usefully cheaper than Canon. Nissin are a big company and have always been good quality - they manufacture stuff for camera makers. Sigma are also worth a look.

However, if the stuff you want to shoot now demands two or three lights, then you havn't got much choice.
 
Always look around for a studio flash on the cheap. Better than piddling around with small battery powered flashguns. One with a sensor on the back would be a bonus.
 
been looking at studio flash's to have a play with rather than a speedlight and have found this.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/180W-Mini-Studio-Flash-Strobe-Light-50W-Modeling-CE-T_W0QQitemZ180413454026QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Photography_StudioEquipment_RL?hash=item2a017ad6ca&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14


I know its cheap and cheerful but will this be ok for basic portrait shots?

I wouldn't. The cheapest studio flash I know of, and would ever consider recommending, is Interfit. Interfit has a decent budget brand reputation, and it's hard to argue with the price, but I have never used it. This is a £200 two-head kit. http://www.fotosense.co.uk/interfit...ead-kit.html?gclid=CLr2wJ3Hmp0CFYNu4wodNWOA3g

Best brands are Elinchrom, Lencarta and Bowens.
 
For indoor use, cheap optical slaves are fine for firing additional flash guns.

I shoot Canon and use mainly old Nikon SB-28s. The going rate is £60-80. They have full manual control and a very useful Auto mode and quick recycle times. Their trigger voltage is low so no harm comes from using them on my camera.
 
For indoor use, cheap optical slaves are fine for firing additional flash guns.

I shoot Canon and use mainly old Nikon SB-28s. The going rate is £60-80. They have full manual control and a very useful Auto mode and quick recycle times. Their trigger voltage is low so no harm comes from using them on my camera.

True, and the OP's gun is fine for an optical slave. However, I've recently discovered a problem called 'SCR lock up' which prevents a basic optical slave from working with Canon 550EX, 430EX and 580EX (vII models are okay). Optical slaves need a slight modification to work on these guns - this guy will sort it for you http://michaelbass.blogspot.com/
 
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