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I might as well start from the beginning.. Im 24 and im working as IT support/Media technician in a 6th Form college. I enjoy my job(Although some days are worse than others, but I suppose thats the same for every job) as it gives me plenty of opportunity to use both my IT and technical skills, as well as my more creative side. Pay isn't great, but at least it has given me a foot in the door. Although im happy here, im beginning to become restless.

I want to move to a city while im still young, to hopefully improve my social life(Can't be hard as I don't really have one at the moment). Im intending to move to Manchester as soon as I have saved up a bit of money and secured a job there. This is where I get to the point.. Im fairly sure I could get some sort of IT support job in Manchester fairly easy. But truth be told, I like many others don't really want a future in IT. Since discovering this greatness that is Photography, I think I have found where I want my future to lie. I really like the idea of being a Photographers assistant, or some sort of Technician in a photography studio. I have seen a couple of adverts for 'Photographers assistant' but they were VERY poorly paid (£11.2k), and I simply wouldn't be able to live on my own for that sort of money unfortunately(Looking at needing £15-£18k).

So my question to you lot; How did you ladies and gents that have taken it to a pro/semi-pro level get into it? Do you all freelance?(This would worry me initially, as I would hate the lack of job security, especially to begin with). What jobs are out there, specifically in the technician side of things and how would I get my foot into the door?

On a connected note, has anyone on here sold photographs on postcards etc? I know some of big pros (Joe Cornish etc) make a lot of money from this side of things. How would one go about trying to do it? Would you get laods of cards printed, then try and sell them to shops or are there third party card distributers that simply buy the photographs and give you a cut?

Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.:)
 
Are you sure you want to potentially spoil a hobby you enjoy by making it into a full time job?

There is a big difference between doing something when you feel like it and doing what you want to *having* to do it all day everyday...
 
I realise this, but im fairly sure that I would like to take it to a career level. I think im fairly good at photography and I enjoy it. The only other thing that im qualified for is IT, which is simply not creative enough for my liking. At the moment, the part of my job that I enjoy the most is working with cameras, DV cameras and showing the kids how to use Photoshop and video editing etc. I think if I was to go into a purely creative job(Photographer, artist etc) I might find it very stressfull as artistic skills is very hard to quanitify. this is why id prefer to go into the technical side associated with the industry. This would hopefully also allow me to retain the pure artist in me for my own hobby.
 
:agree: while I wouldn't tell you to not give it a try remember it really does change things when you have to do it. I used to train horses for a living. I love horses, but day in day out I was sick of their stomping and poo and after 3 years dreaded going into work. I'd turned something that was so much a part of my life into a drudgery. I'll get off my high horse now....

I know Pete has made the switch so he may be a great person to talk to.
 
Sorry, can't give any advice regarding a career in photography.

Also, I can't see postcards doing a brisk trade in Newton Aycliffe :)

Joe Cornish tends to specialise, for example he sells in Saltburn shops his postcards of images from around that area.
But his main income comes from his books, his involvement in land & light holidays etc.

I'm in a fortunate position that I have a comfortable income anyway, so any sales are a bonus , and don't need the income to pay the mortgage, feed the family etc.

I earn around £1,000- £2,000 per year from my photography, from a variety of methods, and all rather a lazy way of doing things.

Firstly, you need your images in galleries, websites.

A lot of my sales come from interested parties stumbling onto my work, for example I used to post on photoblink, an image researcher was looking for images for a book on travel photography, came across that site, and contacted me for some of my work to be included. This then led to more publishers approaching me for more images etc, so because I'd put myself about a bit (image wise), I ended up with being published in three books, and because my E-mail address/web address is alongside my images, hopefully more work will come along.
So I'd advise you to do some work getting your website in as many places as possible, with links to etc.

The other method of sales is via libraries, Alamy and photographers direct
http://www.photographersdirect.com/

I've had most sales from photographers direct, and their commission levels are one of the best (from a photographers point of view)

Another method I use it to always include your website address when sending E-mails to whoever, I ended up selling images to a calender company because of this (I'd purchased something from their parent company, and someone clicked on my web address in an E-mail)


These are just some of the things that have worked for me, I haven't tried too hard at selling, I'm happy with the way things are, I want to be able to take images of what I want when I want and don't want it to become 'a job'

I'm sure others will have different but just as relevant advise.

And what do you mean, no social life, Aycliffe is the North's metropolis, you have such funky and groovy places like the Oak Tree, Iron Hoss, Turbinia , Big Club , Dandy Cart, Cumby Arms..... the list is endless ;) :)
 
I know what you mean, I trained for a career in IT and was heading into teaching it to adults, though circumstances more than anything else took me away from it [moved to an even bigger city than Manchester, which is where I was]

This old person would recommend staying in your current chosen profession to earn a crust, but using your free time to look into starting to sell some of your work, maybe take on a few commisions if they come your way, that sort of thing. If all goes well, it should get you enough contacts over a few years, that if you then still want to make it full time, you have the means in place to make the switch. Just jumping in is likely to end in tears unfortunately, so make it your future ambition rather than immediate plan. Not trying to put you off, what you have posted here is good stuff, great stuff even and may even one day make you a living if you stay at or go beyond your current level. Just don't do anything rash, one step at a time will get you success if you deserve it ;)
 
Thanks for the comments.:) I know what you mean h.r.ford, and thats why id still like to keep a certain amount of distance between the photography I do now, and what id like to do as a job. This is one of the reasons I think id prefer the more technical side, as I am already doing a bit of this in my current job and it is this side of things I enjoy the most.

Whereabout are you based in North Yorkshire Les? As you know far too much about the pit that is Aycliffe. Thanks for that long and very helpfull post. I think making a similar amount of money as you from photography in a similar way would suit me quite well to help subsidise a main job. The problem now though is finding a job, and career that I enjoy and see a future in. Out of interest, how long have you been a photographer, and how long would you say it has taken you to build up to making the amount you make now from Photographs?

Thanks LadyLens. I certainly agree with you about not diving in and making a rash decision. I think what im looking to do is slowly steer my career in the more creative direction. As mentioned, I already do a bit of what id like to do in terms of technical help with cameras, Photoshop, video editing etc. It is this side I would like to take on more, and slowly move away from the pure IT side of things. I think my ideal job at the moment would be as a General assistant in a large photography studio, and pull some additional funds in through methods that Les has mentioned.
 
I suspect that like the rest of the creative job world (TV, film, music etc) the only way in is to start at the bottom and work your way up.

I have a friend who works in TV/film and despite being very highly qualified and very creative, had to start as a runner... now she does very nicely in post-production work and only works 2 days a week!

Trouble with any career direction is that you have to move back down to the bottom of the salary scale, which can be a killer!

These are quite desirable jobs, hence no need to pay those trying to get a leg up any money!
 
Messiah Khan said:
Whereabout are you based in North Yorkshire Les? As you know far too much about the pit that is Aycliffe. Thanks for that long and very helpfull post. I think making a similar amount of money as you from photography in a similar way would suit me quite well to help subsidise a main job. The problem now though is finding a job, and career that I enjoy and see a future in. Out of interest, how long have you been a photographer, and how long would you say it has taken you to build up to making the amount you make now from Photographs?

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I grew up in Aycliffe, and still have family there , luckily I was chairman of the escape committee, so managed to get out quite a few years ago, although I still pop up now and again to see my family.

I've been keen on photography for a number of years, but it wasn't until the advent of digital cameras that it really took off for me, that and the web, meaning my work could be seen by a wider audience (whether they wanted to or not :))

I think (for you), you need to invest in some time putting your images about, from what I've seen of your work, you have the talent and skills, you just need the application, there are no easy fixes, and I think a considered approach, continue with your day job, and develop your photography in your own time, and see if it grows.
Hopefully in a few years I'll be able to say 'I knew him when he had nowt' ;) :)
 
Why not combine both, I fell into paid work almost by accident by covering equine events, basically I was getting p***ed off with quality of prints my wife was coming home with. I wrote a quick guide here but you could apply it to many different sports/events, all I would say is don't try and start with the big events - two reasons, the first is that they will already be covered and secondly once competitors get good in their chosen discipline they usually have more than enough photos to last them a lifetime. Start at grass roots level and you should be fine.

Just by doing these events it has opened up many more doors including wedding, portrait and other work. It's not enough to pay the mortgage or feed the kids but one day......:D
 
desantnik said:
I suspect that like the rest of the creative job world (TV, film, music etc) the only way in is to start at the bottom and work your way up.

I have a friend who works in TV/film and despite being very highly qualified and very creative, had to start as a runner... now she does very nicely in post-production work and only works 2 days a week!

Trouble with any career direction is that you have to move back down to the bottom of the salary scale, which can be a killer!

These are quite desirable jobs, hence no need to pay those trying to get a leg up any money!
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I realise this. It took me quite a while, and having to go through the lowest point in my life to get my foot in the door with the job I have now, so I realise the only way to the top is starting at the bottom. This is why id like to find the righ bottom starting point now, while im still young, rather than battle on in IT until im sick of it then jump ship once ive got a family, mortgage etc.

cjlawton said:
Messiah,

I have sent you a PM, it might be useful.

Chris
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Received. Could you possibly send me some more details please.:)

Les McLean said:
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Cheers Les, thats all very helpfull. Im already working on getting my website into shape (www.afowler.co.uk) <-- im pimping already, lol. Then I can start spreading word through that. Ive also got a deviantart page, and I might set up a Flickr page. I think my next step should maybe to try and get my work into places like Alamy. Does anyone have any tips of how to get into things like exhibitions? Im a member of a Photography club who are trying to get some work exhibited in the James Cook hospital, so this should help. I would love to have my work in the local Arts centre, but they require silly amouts of liability insurance(Ive heard £2m:eek: ) just to hang work up.
 
2 mil is about average for Public Liability and if you go pro you will need to have it by law. That said the premiums should be pretty low, i reckon you could get cover for around £100 per year.
 
Im sure alot of photography sounds glamorous, but what about the reality of it all. Covering events you dont have any interest in yet be disciplined to stand around for hours to get the best spot and sometimes in the pouring rain.

Also the hours are long and the time spent on post processing, getting prints etc.. can take just as long or longer than the event itself. The stress with meeting deadlines with the clients, worries the clients will like your work.
 
Interesting thread must admit, i would love to pro in the motorsport side of things, i spend most weekends at the trackside any-way so getting some funds back from it would be great,
 
Here's a couple of things I think worth mentioning for anyone thinking of going freelance...

It's hard if not impossible to start out as a specialist in one area, that will take time. Forget chasing the kind of work you'd like to do and concentrate on the bread and butter work that will pay the bills and sustain you. At the same time you have to be 100% into the run of the mill jobs because as soon as you approach them with a bad attitude it will reflect in the work and the clients won't be giving good feedback to other potential customers. Word of mouth will get you more work than anything else, it's so important to get out there and network.

Work out the bare minimum you need to survive, just enough to eat and pay the bills. Then make sure you have enough put by to last the next 3-6 months so even if you don't work you can live. Anything you make above this level invest straight back in the business rather than lifestyle. In other words, live as cheap as possible and save every penny for a rainy day.

If you want some assisting gigs get in touch with some togs whose work you admire and ask, you'll be working for free with maybe some expenses thrown in but the experience is invaluable. A job in the local pro lab was always a good way in to assisting but digital has changed that. If you do get some work assisting don't spend it learning about equipment and technique (unless it's in a studio), the really important stuff is how the tog interacts with the client, looks for a shot, etc.
 
russdaz said:
Interesting thread must admit, i would love to pro in the motorsport side of things, i spend most weekends at the trackside any-way so getting some funds back from it would be great,
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Couldnt agree more, but i guess its a whole different ball game when you are being paid for your work, the pressure of HAVING to get the image at all costs, meeting dealines and so on. I think it would be awesome to turn pro though, something i personally would love to do as im sure a lot of other people would judging by this thread :)
 
I'm fortunate to work in an industry which combines IT with elements of photography - that is Machine Vision/Image Processing.

Here we use cameras either interfaced to computers or with on-board computers (smart cameras) to solve customer problems, product quality, robot guidance, part inspection, and often at high speed.

There is a considerable creative side in getting the lighting and optics right and combining that the custom software solutions. This may be able to satisfy your creative side along with your technical ability.

It's an industry you might want to consider and I suspect that the salaries paid are much better than your average photographer. Though the industry is fairly close-knit and not as large in the UK as one might expect.

If you want to look at the types of products used look at www.firstsightvision.co.uk (a company I used to part-own, I now run my own independent business undertaking machine vision solutions for clients)

For me Digital SLR Photography is definitely a hobby.

Just a thought

Mr Perceptive
 
I couldn't imagine doing it for a job either - certainly not a staff photographer doing press work, anyway. I know someone that does that, and although he enjoys it most of the time, there's a lot of crap to put up with.

Like Les, I'm happy to make a few quid on the side, which I've done this year by selling some photos, invoicing for some stolen ones (not good ones, just newsworthy ones!) and working on a magazine article. Because it's my hobby, all the money goes back into it, and so it's paid for all the kit I've bought new this year.

Still, I can understand not wanting to stay in IT - that's where I am and at times it can be a complete ballache! Like you say though, the job security is there, and that's why I'd never like to be freelance at anything (at least not at this point in my life - trying to get a bank to give me a mortgage is hard enough as it is!),
 
Steep said:
2 mil is about average for Public Liability and if you go pro you will need to have it by law. That said the premiums should be pretty low, i reckon you could get cover for around £100 per year.
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Steep said:
Buy this book - My Mamiya made me a million by Keith Cogman.

http://fr.bookbutler.com/do/bookCompare?searchFor=0951791605&amountIn=gbp&shipTo=gb&searchIn=uk&zip= you can only get it second hand now as it's out of print but basically it's written by a bloke who went into business for himself as a photographer, it tells you what you need to do, how you need to go about it. Probably a bit dated now (1991) but still it will be worth a read.
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Not too bad then, but £100 is still a lot for the money im on. Do you know if you can get like 6 month, or even shorter insurance liability cover, so just to cover you for an exhibition say?

Thanks for that suggestion, i'll have a hunt around for that book. As you say, its a bit old and things like Digitial distribution and sales arn't likely to be covered, but I should probably start with the fundamentals anyway.

blinekrz said:
Im sure alot of photography sounds glamorous, but what about the reality of it all. Covering events you dont have any interest in yet be disciplined to stand around for hours to get the best spot and sometimes in the pouring rain.

Also the hours are long and the time spent on post processing, getting prints etc.. can take just as long or longer than the event itself. The stress with meeting deadlines with the clients, worries the clients will like your work.
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To be honest, I don't think Photography sounds overly glamorous, I do however see it as a natural progression of my path in life. For years I have tried to find something that combines technical knowledge with creative skill in a viable career. Intitially I wanted to do computer animation (be it games, or films) and this is what I have my degree is in. but truth be told, I was simply not good enough to break into what is an extremely competitive and over subscribed industry. With Photography however, I see there being more ways in to the industry, as well as more associated roles that can give me the foot in the door.

pxl8 said:
Here's a couple of things I think worth mentioning for anyone thinking of going freelance...

It's hard if not impossible to start out as a specialist in one area, that will take time. Forget chasing the kind of work you'd like to do and concentrate on the bread and butter work that will pay the bills and sustain you. At the same time you have to be 100% into the run of the mill jobs because as soon as you approach them with a bad attitude it will reflect in the work and the clients won't be giving good feedback to other potential customers. Word of mouth will get you more work than anything else, it's so important to get out there and network.

Work out the bare minimum you need to survive, just enough to eat and pay the bills. Then make sure you have enough put by to last the next 3-6 months so even if you don't work you can live. Anything you make above this level invest straight back in the business rather than lifestyle. In other words, live as cheap as possible and save every penny for a rainy day.

If you want some assisting gigs get in touch with some togs whose work you admire and ask, you'll be working for free with maybe some expenses thrown in but the experience is invaluable. A job in the local pro lab was always a good way in to assisting but digital has changed that. If you do get some work assisting don't spend it learning about equipment and technique (unless it's in a studio), the really important stuff is how the tog interacts with the client, looks for a shot, etc.
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Thanks for that informative post. As mentioned, I don't think i'd like to go entirely freelance. I think the lack of job security would be enough to give me stomach ulcers. Doing freelancing on the side may however be an option considering. I think (Hopefully without sounding too big headed here) that customer skills would already be quite good. In my current job I have to help and deal with students and staff requiring all sorts of help and advice, and I pride myself on always doing the job with a smile on my face and doing it ias fast and efficient as possible. If I knew that a lot of my job relied on doing it like this, then i would only be encouraged to do it more so.

Mr Perceptive said:
I'm fortunate to work in an industry which combines IT with elements of photography - that is Machine Vision/Image Processing.

Here we use cameras either interfaced to computers or with on-board computers (smart cameras) to solve customer problems, product quality, robot guidance, part inspection, and often at high speed.

There is a considerable creative side in getting the lighting and optics right and combining that the custom software solutions. This may be able to satisfy your creative side along with your technical ability.

It's an industry you might want to consider and I suspect that the salaries paid are much better than your average photographer. Though the industry is fairly close-knit and not as large in the UK as one might expect.

If you want to look at the types of products used look at www.firstsightvision.co.uk (a company I used to part-own, I now run my own independent business undertaking machine vision solutions for clients)

For me Digital SLR Photography is definitely a hobby.

Just a thought

Mr Perceptive
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That sounds quite interesting and not something I had considered at all. Im not sure it would be quite as creative as I would like, but deffinately something to look further into. Do you know of any other companies that do this, so I could look for vacanies etc to see what the roles involve?

Ian T said:
I couldn't imagine doing it for a job either - certainly not a staff photographer doing press work, anyway. I know someone that does that, and although he enjoys it most of the time, there's a lot of crap to put up with.

Like Les, I'm happy to make a few quid on the side, which I've done this year by selling some photos, invoicing for some stolen ones (not good ones, just newsworthy ones!) and working on a magazine article. Because it's my hobby, all the money goes back into it, and so it's paid for all the kit I've bought new this year.

Still, I can understand not wanting to stay in IT - that's where I am and at times it can be a complete ballache! Like you say though, the job security is there, and that's why I'd never like to be freelance at anything (at least not at this point in my life - trying to get a bank to give me a mortgage is hard enough as it is!),
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I realise there would be a lot of boring sides to doing it, but then that is probably true of any job. Im definately going to be looking into making some money off the back of the Photography im already doing, be it through stock websites or a bit of freelancing. My bigger decision however, is which way to steer my career.

Thanks for all the replies so far, as they are helping a great deal.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Messiah Khan

Most of the major players are listed here

http://www.ukiva.org/pages/memberslist.htm

Mr Perceptive
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Cheers.

Shakey said:
why don't you try being a Digital Artist for company's like venture (see the link http://www.thisisventure.co.uk/recruitment/Detail.asp?IDNum=4 )

Not sure how much it pays, but sounds like something that may suit you!
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That looks absolutely perfect! Thanks for that. The only problem though, is ive really got my heart set on moving to Manchester, and unfortunately there are no vacancies there at the moment. Does anyone know what sort of money I would be looking at for a role like this? I might actually send an email or letter off to the Manchester studio and enquire about opportunities.
:)
 
antc said:
Couldnt agree more, but i guess its a whole different ball game when you are being paid for your work, the pressure of HAVING to get the image at all costs, meeting dealines and so on. I think it would be awesome to turn pro though, something i personally would love to do as im sure a lot of other people would judging by this thread :)
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Allready do have that to a curtain degree at most events i attend events
 
Here's an example of using the photo-libraries, I received this E-mail via Photographers Direct this morning.

Les,
A buyer is interested in the image described below which you uploaded onto the PHOTOGRAPHERS DIRECT site.

Image : pb79974.jpg (pd171994.jpg)
Title : Stepping Stones , Ilkley


Request : NOT from an email request. From online search of the image database.


Here is the buyer's message:

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Usage : My wife is the director of a non-profit preschool in California and is looking for something to incorporate into a logo. I saw -- and liked -- your picture and want to know how much you would charge. We may only use a "piece" of the picture for stationery and on t-shirts.

Delivery : digital

Notes : Same as above. Please advise your fee.

So all I have to do is advise of the fee, and if the want the image, I send a high res file , they pay PD, who deduct their commission, and I receive the balance.
Dead straightforward. :)

The image they are interested in is (for some reason), the image I've had the most sales from.

Alamy010.jpg


For some reason the Japanese seem to like it?


Another example of little acorns etc, a while ago Canons' Professional Services site let you put images up in their gallery (don't know if they still do) , so I uploaded a few, this led to Canon licensing this image for two years, with it appearing in Canon's publicity material (print & web), which led to more sales.
So a really nice little earner, from a few minutes work uploading a few images to a web site.

A slight side issue on this image, I'd shared this on a couple of critique forums, and occasionally I'd get comments that the red squiggle distracts (it's a reflection of a house light), but my instinct was for it to stay.

On occasion, I'd ask buyers what attracted them to a particular image, the red squiggle was often one of the reasons, so it pays sometimes to go with your gut rather than what your peers advise :), as potential buyers are not usually looking through photographers eyes.
 
Cheers Les, and congratulations on another sale. So lets take this one as an example, how much are you going to charge for this sale? Also with this being a non-profit preschool would you charge a lot less than say someone wanting to use it for a profit magazine?
 
Messiah Khan said:
Cheers Les, and congratulations on another sale. So lets take this one as an example, how much are you going to charge for this sale? Also with this being a non-profit preschool would you charge a lot less than say someone wanting to use it for a profit magazine?
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Yes, I'll be quoting $200 (£100)for this instead of a normal fee of £200-£300

Although quite often , rather than ask to quote , the buyer states how much they are prepared to pay, which can be as low as £50 with the most (usually from some glossy mag) I've had for a single image is £500.
 
Really good thread.
During my formative, school years, photography is all I wanted to do to the extent of going through college and earning a city and guilds qualification. Once let loose from the school and college enviroment I then learnt that the real world was entirely different.
I ended up printing wedding photographs for a living on a pittance. This very quickly put me right off of the idea and I was having trouble working out what I wanted to do in photography.
Photography then took a back seat while I 'bummed' around from job to job for several years before finding that I was quite good at project planning. This now pays the bills and I lead a fairly comfortable lifestyle with my wife and two young kids.
That said, in no way am I doing something I enjoy, just something I'm good at.
Photography for me is strictly a hobby and I am only recently starting to get my creative juices flowing again. In time I would love to be published but with so many images for potential customers to consider I'd think you need something really special that stands out from the crowd.
The idea of your own web site is a great one and something I would definatly consider.
If I were you I'd stick at things that pay the bills first and slowly build up a desirable portfolio until you can seamlessly make the leap with as little pain as possible. Patience and good marketing I woulkd think were the keys to succsess this way but you have your age on your side unlike this old fart!
Good luck buddie, I'm now off to look at some of your work
 
I've just been looking at your images on here. They are great! I must admit I don't like the IR stuff but composition, exposure and DOF control are all excellent.
However I am having trouble finding that 'stock' shot that will make some money unless you are going to work for the BBC Natural History department or National Geographic. This is obviously something you love and it shows in your photography.
Great work, keep it up, promote it wherever and whenever you can and good luck.
 
Thanks for both those posts J40ADF. I realise that doing something for a job is very different to doing it as a hobby. You mention that you don't do something that you enjoy, but instead what you are good at. I think what im trying to do is find something that I both enjoy and am good at. Last night I sat down and rewrote my job application cover letter and looked at my CV and realised that things are starting to fall into place, especially wanted to apply to a job like 'Digital Artist' at Venture. I have both technical skills, as well as creativity with the experience and qualifications starting to build up. As mentioned further up this thread, I don't think I want to be a 'Photographer' as such, but rather an associated job, such as digital artist, or assistant etc. This should hopefully allow me to keep the enjoyment of pure photography to a hobby.

Thanks for the comments about my work. I agree that at present I don't really have much work that would work well as 'stock' photography, but this is something im sure I could change, and would help me experiment with different styles more. I havent been doing photography long, but I think im already starting to develop a style, simply from taking shots of things I like, and developing them how I like. I however don't want to be tied to this style, this early in my Photographic journey. You mention National Geographic... if I ever managed to get a photograph featured in National Geographic, or Magnum, then I could die a happy man.:)
 
One thing to bear in mind for a job such as artist role at Venture is to make sure you suss out how much creative input/control you really have. Some companies will have strict guidelines on how to do the job and basically it's paint by numbers and very tedious. It was a very common thing in the games industry with companies advertising for creative types only to have crazy policies that stamped on any form of free thinking or new ideas.

Don't let that put you off tho, just keep it in mind for subtle questions at interviews, esp. with people who are doing the same job.
 
Good point. But I could always look on the bright side if it was paint by numbers, and write some photoshop actions and run the days jobs as a batch. Would finish the days work before my bacon butty goes cold.;) Which of course would mean I could spend more time on here.
 
Messiah Khan said:
Good point. But I could always look on the bright side if it was paint by numbers, and write some photoshop actions and run the days jobs as a batch. Would finish the days work before my bacon butty goes cold.;) Which of course would mean I could spend more time on here.
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Thats pure creative thinking that is. You should mention it in the interview - bound to get you mega-points :clap:

:)
 
You mentioned they didn't have any vacancies, however you could try and find other companies that offer that kind of work. Also while i was looking at their website, some of the backgrounds were different, had some crazy styles which I know would of been put there digitally (had some family portraits there a while ago).

And good luck on finding your dream job
 
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