Make-up-less selfies - STOP !!!

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P.S. don't have faceberk so I don't give a stuff to the selfies. All my social networking is down down the pub :)
 
As I said "I" felt it became like bullying. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I was repeatedly nominated despite many people knowing I had just lost my cousin to cancer a month earlier. It became excessive as the day went on. I posted that I wasn't doing a selfie but had donated money in the morning yet I was still getting nominations in the afternoon.
 
Sorry to hear that Julie that is down to the sort of people you have on your list.. some people just do not think where as others do..
 
gumbo-67 said:
Sorry to hear that Julie that is down to the sort of people you have on your list.. some people just do not think where as others do..
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4 are no longer on my list and they are probably dumb enough to be wondering why.
 
big soft moose said:
A bunch of people ganging up on someone to force them to do something they don't want to do via peer pressure and fear of ostracisation if they don't , has prety much always been classed as bullying
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Ganging up? Please.
It's text on a screen.
Deletable.
Forgettable.
When did people become so precious?
If it offends you....step away from the social media.
 
Cg_Girl said:
And the point of this post and quoting yourself is what?? To inform everyone how much you're donating whilst slating everyone else for their bit?.. That once again I hasten to add regardless of the negative lot has only been in good faith...

I can safely say even though everyone is entitled to their own opinion and views, I'm bloody glad mine are not the same as some I've witnessed here..
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To let people know that I'm following through on my commitment - also how have I 'slated those doing their bit' , all I've said is that a) likes don't equate to actual action , if you've donated well done , I'm talking about those that haven't , b) that its not nice or fair to use peer pressure to coerce someone to take a selfie if they don't want to , and c) that the NMU selfie was not in fact started by CRUK so the initial driver for these was not anything as laudable as raising money for cancer sufferers.

I'd also note that your personal attacks are getting very tiresome , we both know you have a problem with me and we both know why and its got b****r all to do with this thread, so for gods sake grow up , or failing that use the ignore function.
 
viv1969 said:
Ganging up? Please.
It's text on a screen.
Deletable.
Forgettable.
When did people become so precious?
If it offends you....step away from the social media.
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So if everybody on this forum said they'd give £20 to CRUK if you posted a naked selfie in the N&G section , and everytime you declined posted " you is stopping kids getting treatment , you is selfish " and repeated this every time you posted until your only resolution was to leave (or appeal to mods - not an option on FB) you'd be okay with that ?

(For the hard of thinking I'd note that this is illustrative only - I am not actually suggesting that anyone does anything of the sort )
 
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So if everybody on this forum said they'd give £20 to CRUK if you posted a naked selfie in the N&G section , and everytime you declined posted " you is stopping kids getting treatment , you is selfish " and repeated this every time you posted until your only resolution was to leave (or appeal to mods - not an option on FB) you'd be okay with that ?

(For the hard of thinking I'd note that this is illustrative only - I am not actually suggesting that anyone does anything of the sort )
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Seriously Pete. ...get back to me when you start making sense.
 
Byker28i said:
My doctor called me in for a full MOT at 50, which is repeated every two years. That was a full blood test, questionnaire and check over by the doc.

The troble with checing for cancers is - How many cancers do you wish to check for and how do you think those checks are done?
My dad died of prostrate cancer, my sister of bowel, my mum of breast. Family friends (brother and sister) recently died of a brain tumour and bone cancer (yesterday).
I've just had some skin cancer chopped out.
That's the immediate people I know about. Not sure how you'd test for all those in one sitting.
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This is a good point - I remember seeing in new scientist that scientists are working on a genetic test , in the same way that they have for Alzheimers , but that will be years away from the medical front line. Breast and testicular cancer are relatively easy to self check for, and cervical can be done via smear test ( I assume mouth and throat can likewise be done with a mucal test ), but that's about it - testing everyone who's in an 'at risk' group or who thinks they might have symptoms for those four alone would be considerably beyond the resources of the NHS , without trying to test anymore than that
 
Pete, I did indeed read Fi's post, and found it a very saddening read.

Fi is being incredibly strong in the face of real adversity, and that can only be admired.

Cancer is not a disease that should be made light of, and people that do so, tend to be those who haven't yet been affected by it.

Of course the FB thing was bordering on the ridiculous, and yes it obviously got out of hand. It may have even bullied, as you call it, some people into getting involved, and donating money to Cancer research.

I'm sure that it didn't do anybody any physical harm, but the outcome was, a sizeable amount of money being generated for research. It may not benefit me or you, and maybe not my offspring, but it might just benefit my grandchildren, or their children in the distant future.

We surely all hope that one day the scientists will defeat Cancer, and the more research time and money that is spent searching for a cure, might just bring that day forward.

It was the naivety of the comment "who needs to be made aware", that sums up the amount of ignorance that exists with respect to the whole Cancer awareness thing.

Of course everybody knows the word 'Cancer', but its not one disease. Ignorance is I'm sure widespread, and as Terri said, that one lady said "I didn't think I could catch Cancer".

Does anybody seriously think that the TV campaign "be clear on Cancer", isn't there to try and raise awareness among 'Joe public'.

You know, although I'm as guilty as the next man, for stating my views in this section of the forum, I do wonder if the forum would be better off without it, and concentrated on being a photography forum.

Dave
 
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Hi Dave - I can respect that , I agree that the word does need to be spread and that raising money is generally a good thing (within reasonable limits)

the point I was trying to make was that I'm not convinced that NMU selfies actually raise awareness effectively (although I suppose it could be argued that the fact we are having this conversation at all is a result on awareness) vis the posters on here who said they didn't even know what they were for. Also while it is great that money has been raised , this wasn't reportedly the original aim , I fact no one seems to know who started it (CRUK say it wasn't them).

As to stating views - I think this has broadly been positive (leaving aside some unseemliness from a minority) , as I said the fact that people are talking about cancer is probably a good thing - any debate probably helps people be less scared of saying the word - and the fact that some survivors have had he cojones to share their experiences makes that all the more powerful.
 
Yep it certainly is - very brave lady
 
Very very brave lady.. no one can doubt that.. but were they her friends in the first place not really true friends would have been stood on the side lines with a G & T waiting for her after the shoot..
 
there was that other one lately where the guy documented his terminally ill wife's last days - I can't find it now but I remember it being posted a few months back

edit : found it - http://mywifesfightwithbreastcancer.com/photographs/

that takes serious bottle , for both of them
 
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There was a similar one on ocuk where one of the guys kept a thread diary of his treatment over the months. Sadly he went downhill and his partner had to finish his storey. It was heart breaking.
 
Can't really see what the problems is, as this thread proves there will always be arguments over things, but if it raises £2m for cancer research it can't be all bad,
if you don't want to take a selfie then don't just ignore it, if people get nasty about it, kick them off your friend's list, surely it's not that hard to see common sense.
As with the personal bickering in this thread, those involved just hit the ignore button and save the rest of us getting bored with it (y)
 
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This thread makes an interesting but rather disappointing read in that some of the attitudes expressed are making a storm in a teacup.

1) - Whatever folks here think about make-up-less selfies, it has raised extra money for Cancer Research which probably wouldn't have been raised without it. A CR spokeslady (with minimal make-up because that's the way she hangs normally) went on TV to say how pleased they were.

2) - It's just a trend and generates healthy banter between both genders.

3) - It's not restricted to teenage facebook girlies. And facebook offers far more beneficial things than those who never use it realise - It's whatever you make it.

4) - There's no bullying regarding this selfie trend - It's just passing on the message to contribute. If someone feels bullied it's their weakness and self-imposed. Where is their strength of character to stand up for whatever they individually do or don't want to do? Peer pressure? - Don't succumb!

Personally if someone asks me to give to charity I say no thanks and I don't care what they think. I only do what suits me for other people or causes - I might give time but not money. I recently designed a logo for free for a Cancer Research UK marathon run but I'm not taking part....

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I've always preferred the type of females who still look beautiful without facial make-up even if they look even better with it. Too many women are insecure without make-up but perhaps this selfie trend might teach some of them more self confidence.
 
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Gremlin said:
Can't really see what the problems is, as this thread proves there will always be arguments over things, but if it raises £2m for cancer research it can't be all bad,
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This is an interesting point - does the end always justfy the means when it comes to good causes ?

If we think it does, where do we stand on chugging , cold calling, spam etc

Taken to extremes is it okay if I rob a bank so long as I donate the money to CRUK ? and if the answer is no because that's illegal , why is cyber bullying and harrasment (which is also illegal) different ?
 
big soft moose said:
This is an interesting point - does the end always justfy the means when it comes to good causes ?

If we think it does, where do we stand on chugging , cold calling, spam etc

Taken to extremes is it okay if I rob a bank so long as I donate the money to CRUK ? and if the answer is no because that's illegal , why is cyber bullying and harrasment (which is also illegal) different ?
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I would hazzard a guess that the amount of cyber bullying from this has been miniscule. CRUK has received a large sum of money for free, no advertising etc. to pay for.
My mum died of cervical cancer almost 20yrs ago. Prior to that she'd had breast cancer twice. After both bouts of breast cancer she was actively involved in counselling other patients and I am sure she would have seen these selfies as a good thing and probably participated herself.
 
big soft moose said:
This is an interesting point - does the end always justfy the means when it comes to good causes ?

If we think it does, where do we stand on chugging , cold calling, spam etc

Taken to extremes is it okay if I rob a bank so long as I donate the money to CRUK ? and if the answer is no because that's illegal , why is cyber bullying and harrasment (which is also illegal) different ?
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oh please..... talk about takings to extreams... i think you need to get back into bed have a good sleep and get out of the right side...

On another note apart from a couple of ladies it seems it is that you guys could have a row with a mirror i really do.. note that it is the men moaning more than women.. poor loves got left out and don't like it.. (sorry being flippant)..
 
big soft moose said:
This is an interesting point - does the end always justfy the means when it comes to good causes ?

If we think it does, where do we stand on chugging , cold calling, spam etc

Taken to extremes is it okay if I rob a bank so long as I donate the money to CRUK ? and if the answer is no because that's illegal , why is cyber bullying and harrasment (which is also illegal) different ?
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Pete you do talk rubbish at times, no one is asking anyone to break the law and that analogy just doesn't apply here :(
 
gumbo-67 said:
oh please..... talk about takings to extreams... i think you need to get back into bed have a good sleep and get out of the right side...
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okay so ignore the extreme bit - if the end justifies the means does that mean that

Cold calling
Chugging
Spam email

is okay too ? and if not why not ?

Also for the people saying its not bullying, - try looking up the definition of bullying then looking at what julie said . Nominating someone isnt bullying per se - but continually nominating someone who has already said she doesn't want to play is.
 
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Gremlin said:
Pete you do talk rubbish at times, no one is asking anyone to break the law and that analogy just doesn't apply here :(
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so harrasing someone on facebook isnt illegal ?

I think you'll find it is.
 
Pete do you have Facebook??? you will find that say for example my friend in Canada nominated me, then a few min's later a friend in Germany did the same they do not know each other it is a coincidence and if you are looking on a tablet or phone sometimes you can't see all stautus up dates..

It was a bit of fun that some people for what ever reason that were NOT asked to get involved with are spouting off about a load of rubbish.
 
Gremlin said:
Hardly the same thing as your rather inane suggestion of robbing a bank to donate to charity is it
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Its what's known as an "analogy" - of course they arent exactly the same. :bang:

The point which you seem to be willfully missing is that saying that the main thing is that money was raised for charity is logically false ... if the behaviours that lead to that money being raised cause hurt and upset to people (and as there are two cases on this thread where thats the case with NMU selfies - you have to wonder how many more there are unreported) the fact that money was raised is not in itself an excuse for that.

Honestly - I thought the point of a forum was to have a discussion, but its very difficult to have a sensible discussion when people are so defensive and determined to focus on irrelevancies.

For the third time - if we accept the premise that the ends justfy the means when it comes to charity fund raising, where do we stand on

Chugging (that is relatively agressive demands for donations from people with rattle cans in the street)
Door step collections (as above but disturbing you at home)
Cold calling (phone)
and spam email ?

and if we arent up for those, what makes facebook different ?

Is there any chance we can discuss these points in an adult manner without recourse to name calling or school yard behaviour ?
 
Cold calling? Annoying, but, hang up.
Chugging? Walk right by...easy.
Spam? Delete.

Still failing to see what's so difficult.
 
big soft moose said:
Is there any chance we can discuss these points in an adult manner without recourse to name calling or school yard behaviour ?
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I don't know Pete....Is there?
Having just re-read the entire thread.
You're the one seeing every comment as a personal slight.
You're the one who seems determined to re-define every cross-eyed look as "bullying"
 
you can delete not par take on FB you can ignore it.
chugging... tell them NO but again this is different as they are in your face allot harder to deal with in some ways
cold calling.. put the phone down
Spam email.. delete
door step put note on door saying NO.

These are all totaly different things none of which you are going to stop..

The difference with FB is that people have 100's of "friends" when in reality they don't... when i sent out my nominations of course i sent to every woman on my list!!!!! did i heck i was very carefull who got it and for my reason and their's...

But you didn't answer my question do you have FB?

I hate all the games requests on FB but hay ho i sue the delete button.

i must say you are being a bit of a plonker for want of a better word. but your a man so to be expected....
 
gumbo-67 said:
Pete do you have Facebook??? you will find that say for example my friend in Canada nominated me, then a few min's later a friend in Germany did the same they do not know each other it is a coincidence and if you are looking on a tablet or phone sometimes you can't see all stautus up dates..
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wouldn't they look at your page to see if you'd already been nominated - hardly seems difficult
 
Honestly this is utter tosh, i am sure some people just spout nonsense for pleasure or to cause poop!
 
big soft moose said:
wouldn't they look at your page to see if you'd already been nominated - hardly seems difficult
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Do you have FB? If (as i have said before) use a tablet and or phone allot of status updates are not shown.. and it takes time if you have allot of friends.. but to be honest Pete your just nut picking now..
 
gumbo-67 said:
But you didn't answer my question do you have FB?
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I do but i only have friends who are actually freinds - most of whom I've met in person or a few from here, I don't have hundreds of people who i barely know as FB freinds because thats always struck me as a bit sad. Why would i want to share updates etc with people I don't know - as I said higher up I'm not one for the "look at me I is great "b*****ks which permeates much of facebook

gumbo-67 said:
i must say you are being a bit of a plonker for want of a better word. but your a man so to be expected....
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So much for for the adult discussion - though I'll refrain from responding in kind. I'm not sure how trying to have a discussion about an interesting point is "behaving like a plonker" - I must have missed the forum rule that says that everyone has to agree
 
gumbo-67 said:
i must say you are being a bit of a plonker for want of a better word. but your a man so to be expected....
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Come on Terri, no need for that.
 
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