Make-up-less selfies - STOP !!!

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Cg_Girl said:
money is being raised and that has only got to be a good thing!
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I agree in this case - though its only those who take the photo who donate - and they could just as easily donate without posting a selfie (vis julie's point earlier) , all the people who have just liked without donating are essentially kidding themselves that they've 'done something' to fight cancer

On the men's side of things I won't be doing a make up selfie - but i'll happily chuck a few quid in the bucket if someone posts a reputable donations link. I gave up chocolate for lent , and I've been putting all the money I would have spent to one side for charity.. I was going to donate it to H4H , but as I'm running a half marathon for them later in the year I'd happily give it to CR instead
 
ACW said:
But it doesn't. I didn't know the campaign revolved around this until Terri just told me.

I already knew of the importance of smear tests.
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And now you are reminded because you are now aware of what it's about, so it does work.
 
big soft moose said:
I agree in this case - though its only those who take the photo who donate - and they could just as easily donate without posting a selfie (vis julie's point earlier) , all the people who have just liked without donating are essentially kidding themselves that they've 'done something' to fight cancer

On the men's side of things I won't be doing a make up selfie - but i'll happily chuck a few quid in the bucket if someone posts a reputable donations link. I gave up chocolate for lent , and I've been putting all the money I would have spent to one side for charity.. I was going to donate it to H4H , but as I'm running a half marathon for them later in the year I'd happily give it to CR instead
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Just go to the JustGiving website and search CancerResearchUK, they have an a large presence on there. :)
 
big soft moose said:
I agree in this case - though its only those who take the photo who donate - and they could just as easily donate without posting a selfie (vis julie's point earlier) , all the people who have just liked without donating are essentially kidding themselves that they've 'done something' to fight cancer

On the men's side of things I won't be doing a make up selfie - but i'll happily chuck a few quid in the bucket if someone posts a reputable donations link. I gave up chocolate for lent , and I've been putting all the money I would have spent to one side for charity.. I was going to donate it to H4H , but as I'm running a half marathon for them later in the year I'd happily give it to CR instead
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Not strictly true, a friend of mine didn't post but did put a status up saying she would still donate... Which is fair enough and she still added the details how, so snyone liking and seeing her post and the choice and was being made aware of what people were doing!

Also like I mentioned, anything somebody likes shows in feeds so the whole cancer awareness continues to spread, you forget just how many young girls and boys are on FB who DO need this kind of thing, kids are essentially internet based so yet again it's got to help!

There is no link, this is all done via text but I'm sure most have seen this via their own feeds seeing as there are so many grumbles about it, it's hard to miss
 
big soft moose said:
The point about likes though is too often there's a 'like this to end word hunger / save the rainforest/ stop child neglect / conserve the womble or whatever and lots of (stupid) people like it thinking they are actually achieving something - wheras even if a million people "like" the message - b****r all is actually achieved to end word hunger/save the rainforest/ stop child neglect/ or save the womble
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That bit I agree with. The empty likes on their own, sharing a page that does nothing but spread itself...is pointless.
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Assuming of course that the person who sees it actually donates. Also The same could be achieved by sharing a message saying please donate to cancer research uk without the selfie.
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You couldn't be more wrong there.
Do you really think this would have spread so quickly if someone had just put up a status saying "Ive donated 3 quid to cancer reseach....I nominate (two friends) to do the same".
Would it balls (Pun intended).

It's because it's attached with doing something 'different', that most everyday women can do...They can do something perceived as 'brave' (Different argument, different day), and share that action with their friends. Tag on the donation aspect, and boom, it spreads.
Social networking and virality at it's simplest.

Just like wearing a red nose used to.
 
Daysleeper40 said:
I have a mutated BRCA2 gene and was diagnosed with breast cancer aged 32. I've had chemo and five surgeries including bilateral mastectomy. My sister also has breast cancer which has spread to her bones, liver and brain. She is dying. This is my brief take on the bare faced selfies....

http://nightvigil.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/i-think-i-am-qualified-to-comment/
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good blog - essentially what I was trying to say about the pointlessness of these facebook things , but far better put.
 
big soft moose said:
good blog - essentially what I was trying to say about the pointlessness of these facebook things , but far better put.
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Thanks Pete - wasn't sure I had expressed it very well so I appreciate you saying that.
 
nilagin said:
And now you are reminded because you are now aware of what it's about, so it does work.
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The fact that this had to be pointed out to be kind of undermines the campaigns effectiveness as a viral message spreader. I argue that this point alone supports my initial thoughts on the matter.

A simple hashtag or line accompanying these no-makeup selfies would have massively boosted the awareness raising regarding the underlying purpose of the campaign.

Daysleeper40 said:
I have a mutated BRCA2 gene and was diagnosed with breast cancer aged 32. I've had chemo and five surgeries including bilateral mastectomy. My sister also has breast cancer which has spread to her bones, liver and brain. She is dying. This is my brief take on the bare faced selfies....

http://nightvigil.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/i-think-i-am-qualified-to-comment/
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Well reasoned post Fi. Very moving, thank you for writing such an entry during what must be an unfathomably difficult time for everybody involved and affected. Your experiences make the post all the more poignant.
 
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I really don't understand this thread - but then, I'm thick. I also really don't engage with facebook and twitter et. al.

No more pointless wearing of moustaches for me. I'm clearly missing a point somewhere.
 
Daysleeper40 said:
I have a mutated BRCA2 gene and was diagnosed with breast cancer aged 32. I've had chemo and five surgeries including bilateral mastectomy. My sister also has breast cancer which has spread to her bones, liver and brain. She is dying. This is my brief take on the bare faced selfies....

http://nightvigil.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/i-think-i-am-qualified-to-comment/
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I feel your pain, I lost my nan last year to (at least) bone cancer. It was probably off the back of the breast cancer she had some years earlier. It was completely unexpected and we lost her very suddenly.

However. Yes some Facebook users will completely miss the point, I think I worked it out that (at the time) only 1.5% of UK Facebook users had donated (based on 20m users and £3/txt).

That said its better than no donations at all, and like someone else said at least people are talking about cancer. Hopefully that will lead to at least a few people finally getting "that lump" checked out or finding out why they're passing blood.

Hopefully that will stop at least one family losing the person they love. Nobody should have to feel the grief that you, I or anyone else that's had to deal with cancer has.

On that note, I'm going to bed.
 
Amazing - you start a thread for a laugh and it gets all serious in part, with some bitching and slagging each other off too

I think I'll start another thread as a test, but with a joke about double-cream, and then count how many posts before it all goes sour :D

Dave
 
As a slight aside, in the this thread earlier there was a comment along the lines of "how many men have bothered to get themselves checked".
One thing I dont understand is why GP's don't issue a call in at certain ages and do the screening for you? Say at 40 or 50? Why do you have to arrange it yourself?
I wouldnt mind going in and getting checked for various cancers/other problems that might affect me because of my age but have never got round to it.

Do women have to remember to book themselves in for a smear test(for example) or does the GP/surgery remind them at the relevant time?

I'm not having a go or anything just interested to know.

Thanks.
 
DorsetDude said:
As a slight aside, in the this thread earlier there was a comment along the lines of "how many men have bothered to get themselves checked".
One thing I dont understand is why GP's don't issue a call in at certain ages and do the screening for you? Say at 40 or 50? Why do you have to arrange it yourself?
I wouldnt mind going in and getting checked for various cancers/other problems that might affect me because of my age but have never got round to it.

Do women have to remember to book themselves in for a smear test(for example) or does the GP/surgery remind them at the relevant time?

I'm not having a go or anything just interested to know.

Thanks.
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Doctors usually send out a letter
 
Dave (DG), I didn't have a problem with your opening 'post in this 'thread', as it was light hearted and commended where commendation was due.

However, in-keeping with what this forum is notorious for, a very flippant approach was taken towards the whole Cancer awareness thing, which to those of us that are victims of Cancer, or who have lost friends and loved ones to this evil disease, is quite offensive.

ANYTHING!!!, that makes more people aware of this disease in its many forms, and encourages them understand what signs to look for, and get checked, IS!! worthwhile.

It doesn't matter if its something totally silly, if it achieves its aim in raising awareness, and even better, raising money for research, then it has to be good for all of us.

"who needs to be made aware?", was one earlier comment. Far too many people is the answer to that unfortunately.

Its a great shame that this forum does seem to bring out the worst in some people.:(

Dave
 
I dont think anyone in the whole thread has disagreed that raising awareness of cancer in its many forms is good. Some have questioned how putting a picture on facebook and getting a load of likes is going to achieve this, fair enough. As others have said, on the other hand, it wont hurt and may/has actually done so.

I lost my mother to cancer two years ago and havent been offended in the least by anything posted.
 
Facebook is basically bullying. Memes are generally bullying. Therefore this meme on Facebook (actually it was Twitter but the facts seem to have been lost in the media froth) is bullying.

Post all the pics you like. Donate money to whomever* you like. But bullying people seems bad. I should probably start a FB meme about that.

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* Personally I check this list before donating any money to anybody - http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/experiments/ALL/281/
 
JonathanRyan said:
Facebook is basically bullying. Memes are generally bullying. Therefore this meme on Facebook (actually it was Twitter but the facts seem to have been lost in the media froth) is bullying.

Post all the pics you like. Donate money to whomever* you like. But bullying people seems bad. I should probably start a FB meme about that.

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* Personally I check this list before donating any money to anybody - http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/experiments/ALL/281/
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Bullying?? Are you serious?! That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard!
 
Cg_Girl said:
Bullying?? Are you serious?! That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard!
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Which bit? FB being about bullying (there are several articles about this) or the selfie thing turning into a bullying fest? That was mentioned by @Julie1979 way back in post 11 and I have to say I agree.

"Tagging" somebody to make them do something they don't want is, however well intentioned, a form of bullying. It got worse as the whole peer pressure thing started and people started to rave about how amazing people looked without (much) makeup.

Even the Guardian agrees with me - http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-up-selfie-facebook-beat-cancer-research-meme
 
Too much is classed as bullying these days IMO.
 
DaveS2 said:
However, in-keeping with what this forum is notorious for, a very flippant approach was taken towards the whole Cancer awareness thing, which to those of us that are victims of Cancer, or who have lost friends and loved ones to this evil disease, is quite offensive.
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Did you read Fi (daysleeper 40)'s post and associated blog ? - if you didnt the very short form gist is that as a cancer survivor and someone who's sister is termnially ill with meta cancer she finds much of this campaign itself offensive (for example the idea that being without make up is in someway comparable to being a chemo patient) - she didn't however find the flippancy of this thread offensive.

Ergo the mssing word in your post is "some" - as in to some of us who have, etc

I'm sorry if you find it offensive that some people make light of the disease- though i think you'll find that no one is taking the mickey out of cancer sufferers or victims - just the people who think that by liking a make up free selfie they have really done something to feel great about . (personally I agree with Fi that this silly FB game trivialises a serious issue , and that in itself is more offensive than anything posted here)
 
JonathanRyan said:
Which bit? FB being about bullying (there are several articles about this) or the selfie thing turning into a bullying fest? That was mentioned by @Julie1979 way back in post 11 and I have to say I agree.

"Tagging" somebody to make them do something they don't want is, however well intentioned, a form of bullying. It got worse as the whole peer pressure thing started and people started to rave about how amazing people looked without (much) makeup.

Even the Guardian agrees with me - http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-up-selfie-facebook-beat-cancer-research-meme
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That's such a shame! The negativity in something that was only meant to help people...
 
JonathanRyan said:
Which bit? FB being about bullying (there are several articles about this) or the selfie thing turning into a bullying fest? That was mentioned by @Julie1979 way back in post 11 and I have to say I agree.

"Tagging" somebody to make them do something they don't want is, however well intentioned, a form of bullying. It got worse as the whole peer pressure thing started and people started to rave about how amazing people looked without (much) makeup.

Even the Guardian agrees with me - http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-up-selfie-facebook-beat-cancer-research-meme
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Indeed - feel brave about doing it yourself is fair enough if you are incredibly sheltered (oh you is so like brave you showed yourself without make up... get a grip, if thats the bravest thing you've done in your life you need to get out more) , but trying to make someone do it who doesn't want to is unkinfd and uncalled for ... personally i'd just tell the person concerned to go forth and multiply and defreind them if they persisted, but a lot of people are more fragile, and feel the peer pressure much more...
 
viv1969 said:
Too much is classed as bullying these days IMO.
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Indeed. Also, there's too much bullying.

Cg_Girl said:
That's such a shame! The negativity in something that was only meant to help people...
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The interesting thing about this meme is that nobody seems to know who started it or why. It certainly wasn't CRUK and there's no evidence it was initially designed to raise money (that only happened after CRUK got involved). I saw an interesting post from a friend who basically said that "awareness" seems to have become some kind of currency of the internet.

Another interesting point is that many people seem to think that anything that raises money for CRUK is necessarily a good thing. That's a whole other debate....
 
Cg_Girl said:
That's such a shame! The negativity in something that was only meant to help people...
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Assuming Fi is correct thats not the case - according to Fi's blog the MUF selfie started as the standard sort of vacuous attention whoring you get a lot of on facebook , it only had the donation element added later once people with half a brain got involved. I don't know if that's correct, but if it is it puts an altogether different spin on the original motivation.
 
viv1969 said:
Too much is classed as bullying these days IMO.
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A bunch of people ganging up on someone to force them to do something they don't want to do via peer pressure and fear of ostracisation if they don't , has prety much always been classed as bullying
 
Cg_Girl said:
Bullying?? Are you serious?! That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard!
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seems not everyone agrees

Julie1979 said:
I donated money but said I wasn't doing a selfie. I kept getting "nominated" so I mentioned it on Facebook. I got a reply along the lines of "the selfie is to raise awareness, you need to do it" I politely pointed out that i'm well aware of cancer having attended the funeral of my 39 year old cousin, last month, where I also donated money to cancer research.
To be honest, in my opinion, after a few hours of being up on Facebook I felt people were bullying.
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To be honest what else would you call a bunch of people ganging up on one person and continually harrasing them to do something they don't want to do ? - would you be happy if it was you on the sharp end ?
 
big soft moose said:
On the men's side of things I won't be doing a make up selfie - but i'll happily chuck a few quid in the bucket if someone posts a reputable donations link. I gave up chocolate for lent , and I've been putting all the money I would have spent to one side for charity.. I was going to donate it to H4H , but as I'm running a half marathon for them later in the year I'd happily give it to CR instead
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I found the link - i'll be waiting til lent is over - currently i'm up to £28 quid and change - its amazing how much i spend on crap that isnt good for me
 
Whether they are horrifying us with out make up or with, I think we are missing the point. At least it's better than that Nek Nominations game that was going on not long ago.

Mind you I think there still might be a few deaths from this game because I've felt like gauging my eyes out on quite a few occasions:p:D
 
no one is making anyone do anything they don't want to do.. God if any of you saw my picture you would rip yours eyes out and pour bleach in the sockets.. Someone asked why men are not called in for a check up . That is a very good point....

As for people being aware of this horrible thing a few years ago i found a lump i went to my doctor.. she sent me to the hospital it was a fibroid... i got chatting to the lady next door and over a glass of wine i told her how relieved i was... she then told me she had found a lump a few weeks ago... she went to the doctor... went to the hospital... she wasn't as lucky as i was but caught in time... you know what she said to me.. "she didn't think she could catch cancer as she hadn't been near anyone that had had it" she was 40 and intelligent.. just goes to show some people need telling sometiems.
 
big soft moose said:
I found the link - i'll be waiting til lent is over - currently i'm up to £28 quid and change - its amazing how much i spend on crap that isnt good for me
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And the point of this post and quoting yourself is what?? To inform everyone how much you're donating whilst slating everyone else for their bit?.. That once again I hasten to add regardless of the negative lot has only been in good faith...

I can safely say even though everyone is entitled to their own opinion and views, I'm bloody glad mine are not the same as some I've witnessed here..
 
Please just stop, this is all very unpleasant.
 
DorsetDude said:
As a slight aside, in the this thread earlier there was a comment along the lines of "how many men have bothered to get themselves checked".
One thing I dont understand is why GP's don't issue a call in at certain ages and do the screening for you? Say at 40 or 50? Why do you have to arrange it yourself?
I wouldnt mind going in and getting checked for various cancers/other problems that might affect me because of my age but have never got round to it.

Do women have to remember to book themselves in for a smear test(for example) or does the GP/surgery remind them at the relevant time?

I'm not having a go or anything just interested to know.

Thanks.
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My doctor called me in for a full MOT at 50, which is repeated every two years. That was a full blood test, questionnaire and check over by the doc.

The troble with checing for cancers is - How many cancers do you wish to check for and how do you think those checks are done?
My dad died of prostrate cancer, my sister of bowel, my mum of breast. Family friends (brother and sister) recently died of a brain tumour and bone cancer (yesterday).
I've just had some skin cancer chopped out.
That's the immediate people I know about. Not sure how you'd test for all those in one sitting.
 
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