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I am thinking about the switch from PC to Mac, currently my main PC is Gigabyte mobo with 3gig ram and 1.16TB hdd Trust 7.1 soundcard Nvidia 8800GTS graphics and an AMD Opteron 939 socket cpu.
So to get the same or better spec what would I need and I built this PC for less than 1k a few years ago minus the cpu
 
Mac pro desktops start at 1.9K, without a screen.
imacs (built into the screen and non upgradable) start at £950
macbook pros (lower performance than your current computer, with the exception of the processor) start at 1.35k

short answer: it would cost a lot.
Upgrade your cpu and ram, to maybe a decent quad, and 8gb ram, and you'll be laughing with your current setup - unless you do feel the real urge to go to OSX :/ If so... replacing your current computer's spec will cost an eyewatering amount of money... maybe consider a macbook or something for all your ineeds? :P
 
Go for a Mac - you'll never regret it. You need to think how much have you got spare to spend and, if you did go for a Mac, whether you'd get an iMac or a Mac Pro.

But find what's right for you! :thumbs:
 
Taken me a long time to think this one over as well, but this week I went for an iMac.

Had a PC for years, wanted a change and have heard nothing but good feedback on the iMac (ignoring the price, if you can) so took the plunge!

Not about me though, you need to weigh up all the same options for yourself first.
 
Not unlike youself Chewy I have had PCs for ever and only just felt the urge to change so any input as to how it feels compared to windows is appreciated and ITSDAVEDOTNET i am wanting to know if I can build one like a PC ie modular ,,,,, complete newbie to Mac built all my PCs and never thought about the other
 
I got my iMac from apple as a refurb and they are often still in the original box as they change the specs every so often they dont bother upgrading the ones already built.
I Got Mine for £200 less than new and fully warented.
Look at the refurb section of apple store, stock always changing.
I have a few pc's left over for the kids but they have ubuntu on for surfing and school ill even replace them eventually for some older macs.
 
if you like OSX and can swallow the cost of buying a mac and swapping all of your software over then go for it. however stability wise id say there was nothing between OSX and a good install of XP or Vista64. thats coming from a professional support point of view.
 
the cheapest modular mac is the mac pro, unless you buy second hand or whatever, but then you have to be careful with compatability with non apple parts etc.

You can't build macs from scratch, no, without hacking OSX (google osx86... not at all simple or without risk.)
 
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/FB418B/A?mco=MjE0NDk5Mw - big screen, lots of RAM but the HD isn't as big as yours. Still, a brilliant machine.

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/FB324B/A?mco=MjE0NDk5Mw - again, great machine with a smaller screen and lower specs. Will still fly through files though :)

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/FB451B/A?mco=MjE0NDk5Mw - this is an amazing piece of kit but you certainly pay for the spec

Why not look for a late G5? The same aluminium casing as the Mac Pro, and with the old (but very, very powerful) PowerPC G5 processor. Can pick these up for very little these days and they could be expanded to something silly like 8GB of RAM and accept a whole host of internal drives and expansion cards.

Scrumpymacs has a big selection of used ones and at low prices, if used is an option for you.
 
Hey don't forget the Mac mini. You can use a lot of your old PC parts, such as mouse monitor etc. ( an Apple Keyboard may be an advantage though ), and get into Mac computing fairly inexpensively

If you have external drives with data on in NTFS format, get NTFS for OSX by Paragon £25 from Apple Store.

I have Mac an PC computers, so I have no axe to grind, But I do like my MacBook Pro. Install Bonjour for windows and every thing talks to each other without any problems, including printers
 
I got my iMac from apple as a refurb and they are often still in the original box as they change the specs every so often they dont bother upgrading the ones already built.
I Got Mine for £200 less than new and fully warented.
Look at the refurb section of apple store, stock always changing.
I have a few pc's left over for the kids but they have ubuntu on for surfing and school ill even replace them eventually for some older macs.

Good call this I did the same, best VFM :clap:
 
Well worth keeping an eye on the refurb store, every now and then, the old iMAC model (before this years release) comes available, and you may eb able to pick up the 3.06 processor for around 1400 quid.
Which would be a ridiculous price to pay for a computer with those specs. You have to ask your self why do you want a Mac, I doubt it will make you any quicker at doing your work, and I doubt that after a few months it will be more fun, so is it worth spending all that money that could be better spent on more lenses, other equipment, or just whatever else you may want.
 
This is a post I wrote in the other thread about whether to get a Mac or PC (bearing in mind the mac is a PC ;))

First of all I would follow most of Jamesbuk's advice, and second I would read good old Ken Rockwell... Once I had read that I would consider everything he says and realise it pretty much covers all the "plus" points of macs that mac fans wheel out, then I would realise most of it is either **** or older than time and with no relevence to modern Windows machines.

First thing you need to realise is (and I assume you already know this) that Windows and OSX run on exactly the same components, they only have a different case and operating system. Then you need to realise macs do get viruses, crash, need upgrading, can slow down, have problems, to a very similar extent to windows PC's.

Both quality prebuilt windows machines and OSX machines will "just work" out of the box and will work equally well for good, unless you touch something you shouldn't do (which appears to be what a couple of the mac users in this thread seem to be alluding to, such as pointing out it removed their upgrading fanaticism, because it is harder to upgrade partly, or there isn't the upgrade culture with macs, not because macs can somehow make their machines work faster/as fast as new machines. Although along with a couple of other myths that mac users seem to like spreading this could be due to the seemingly mythical technology Apple use in their machines:suspect:).

And on the mythical technology side, apparently Macs just start instantly, whereas windows machines take an age... Well wrong, Macs take just as long to load from a cold start, and when in sleep mode both will start in 1-3 seconds. If that wasn't the case then Apple would have found the holy grail, sme hind of hard disk technology that could unload a Gb or two of information in a ssecond or two...

As for software, Macs do come with some useful software, as do Windows machines (much to the displeasure of the EU:lol:). When dealing with the photo side of things, Photoshop is pretty much the main piece of software, followed by lightroom, both of which were written for windows machines, and ported over (with a couple of problems) to Macs, in that respect vista is actually the better OS for photo editing.

I think the main reason so many photographers and creative people use macs is not due to the fact they are "better", just that it has become the culture to use them, especially if you are a "pro".

So the jist of it is strip all of the usual rubbish away and just get to the main differences between th two, the OS. Do you want to try something different (just because it is different, not because it is better) or do you want to use something you are more comfortable with/have experience with?

If you want to try something different, just for a change/ realise it won't "change your life"/ and/or you have the money then go for a mac.

If you just want something that works out of the box, then go for either

If you want something you are comfortable with/ feel cheated by the price/ works with existing software/ has greater backing for software etc./ plays games, then go for a Windows PC (if prebuilt go for something from a good manufacturer)

If you want something unique/ something you can tailor to your specific needs/ want something powerful yet cheaper/ want to fiddle, and you possibly have a reasonable understanding of how to build a PC then build your own (remembering a little bit of research on component compatibility, which is pretty much universal, will mean once you install the OS, it should "just work" too).
 
whether pc or mac set your price point and see what you can get.
Personally having built pc's for years and having very stable sytems and always updating the virus software with free top class software Avast.
I still got fed up of all the junk and slow downs etc defrag etc.
For me and many others the Mac looks cool as ever, but does all i want and its all in one unit the screen of my imac no issues no freezes no virus etc etc.
I love it, you can all your software in mac format.
The choice is yours.
Just to point out that custom pc this month has a feature comparing the imac to a custom build, very informative.
They build a imac beater for a bit more than the imac at imac new price point.
They then change some components such as taking out liquid cooling and down grading the graphics card to bring it in at £300+ less than imac and 25 or 35% faster.
Good mag anyway and i would say a valued purchase in your position to help you decide especially if you go the home build route.
I would use xp on a windows system not vista its too hungry.
All the best and let us know how you go on.
I still love my mac and will never change.
 
one of the other guys had an interesting one last week which i wasnt aware about.. a couple of our MBP's have developed screen faults (basically a dead screen and DVI out).

both have just been taken back for free out of warrenty repair as its a "known issue" according to our supplier.
 
Which would be a ridiculous price to pay for a computer with those specs. You have to ask your self why do you want a Mac, I doubt it will make you any quicker at doing your work, and I doubt that after a few months it will be more fun, so is it worth spending all that money that could be better spent on more lenses, other equipment, or just whatever else you may want.

Without wishing to sound too much like Swiss Tony .....

Buying an iMac is a bit like making love to a bootiful woman, you slowly caress the lovely lines, fondle her moving bumps, give every inch of it your loving attention, probe some dark holes, and then hand over all your cash. :thumbs:
 
whether pc or mac set your price point and see what you can get.
Personally having built pc's for years and having very stable sytems and always updating the virus software with free top class software Avast.
I still got fed up of all the junk and slow downs etc defrag etc.
For me and many others the Mac looks cool as ever, but does all i want and its all in one unit the screen of my imac no issues no freezes no virus etc etc.
I love it, you can all your software in mac format.
The choice is yours.
Just to point out that custom pc this month has a feature comparing the imac to a custom build, very informative.
They build a imac beater for a bit more than the imac at imac new price point.
They then change some components such as taking out liquid cooling and down grading the graphics card to bring it in at £300+ less than imac and 25 or 35% faster.
Good mag anyway and i would say a valued purchase in your position to help you decide especially if you go the home build route.
I would use xp on a windows system not vista its too hungry.
All the best and let us know how you go on.
I still love my mac and will never change.

Again quoting from the other thread...

Amp34 said:
Those points highlighted in bold:

Slow down does not occur on Vista, it automatically defrags when the system is not in use, and due to the way the core was written it does not slow down over time. In fact I have not reinstalled vista once after installing the retail version (over the release candidate) in two years, and it hasn't slowed down at all, in comparison I reinstalled XP every few months (the common view of most users of vista). Any other slow down is due to user error, usually caused by installing too many browser search bars and smilie programs...

As for using XP instead of Vista, that's just silly (unless you have an old PC or netbook), anyone installing XP on a new PC (that isn't for a corporate environment) is wasting their time and money. If your PC has over 1GB of ram Vista will work fine, more than 2GB then Vista will fly. For some reason Vista was ripped apart by people who hadn't even used it (and generally didn't understand it), helped along by the tiny minority that had had problems with it when it first came out. Since the update there really is no excuses.
 
Without wishing to sound too much like Swiss Tony .....

Buying an iMac is a bit like making love to a bootiful woman, you slowly caress the lovely lines, fondle her moving bumps, give every inch of it your loving attention, probe some dark holes, and then hand over all your cash. :thumbs:

Perhaps, personally I have a woman for that though, not a computer ;)
 
Just replied to another thread with a similar theme so here you go:

There are advantages and disadvantages to all of them:

PC

+ Cheaper
+ More easily upgraded (in that upgrades come out quicker and you don't have to wait for Apple - mainly things like graphics cards)
- Less reliable (but maybe not as big a difference as people think if built well)
- Less stable (again yes but maybe not as big a difference as people think if setup well)
- More expensive OS! (macOS has one option with everything included and family pack is fantastic value)
+ Quicker for new stuff to be included
+ SLIGHTLY more choice in software
+ More hardware choice.
- Bigger target for hackers/viruses/trojans etc

MAC

- More expensive
+ High residual value
+ Kudos/pose factor ?
+ Better design (iMac, mac pro, new macbooks etc etc)
+ More reliable (see above)
+ More stable (see above)
- less peripherals work with it so less choice
- a lot of peripherals are much more expensive (video cards are the biggest problem)
- less choice of peripherals
+ vastly reduced chance of being attacked by hackers etc

LINUX

+ FREE
+ FREE SOFTWARE
+ More secure
- More difficult to setup/use (but not impossible!)
- Less software choice re commercial software
- More difficult to setup peripherals/compatibility (getting better though)
- Considered a bit nerdy
- less choice of peripherals
+ vastly reduced chance of being attacked by hackers etc


Obviously these are my personal views, I use ALL of these. I get treated as a Mac Fanboy on occasion when I jump in and correct someone BUT I also correct Mac users in relation to Windows! I use Windows XP and VISTA and have licenses for both. I am beta testing Windows 7 and I also use two variants of linux. I run MacOS on my main machines but that is because I love the Mac pro and Macbook pro they are gorgeous I do prefer MacOS and my software licenses are for the Mac versions of software so I stick to the one OS as a main TOOL. Yes TOOL that is what it is.

I do the "MacOS tip and day for a year" thread because I can and because people are switching and will find it useful. It would be less useful for Windows because there is a lot more information out there for Windows and people always know someone to help them.

Why doesn't someone jump in and do a tip and day for Windows :)
 
i agree with what cowaski says with the benefits and disadvantages (a few little things but not much) but as a microsoft and linux qaulified engineer i wouldnt never look at linux as an OS for home use and on the mac/linux having less chance of being targeted by viruses (will use this instead of hackers as simply the word hacker is over used) is correct but as there is less protection for mac/linux when an attack is based on there O/S you are more likely to get it.

just to back up the hacker issue they will always attack through the tcp/ip protocol which is widely available on all systems otherwise you wouldnt be on the net (and dont waste money on software firewalls and like any programme there is workarounds and need the system to boot before they come online).
 
i agree with what cowaski says with the benefits and disadvantages (a few little things but not much) but as a microsoft and linux qaulified engineer i wouldnt never look at linux as an OS for home use and on the mac/linux having less chance of being targeted by viruses (will use this instead of hackers as simply the word hacker is over used) is correct but as there is less protection for mac/linux when an attack is based on there O/S you are more likely to get it.

just to back up the hacker issue they will always attack through the tcp/ip protocol which is widely available on all systems otherwise you wouldnt be on the net (and dont waste money on software firewalls and like any programme there is workarounds and need the system to boot before they come online).

I'm a nerd and I wouldn't use Linux at home either other than for some specialist stuff like the NAS tutorial I gave.

If you are sensible and back stuff up none of them are really a problem I just PREFER MacOS. Windows 7 looks really good though but by the time it is out the next version of MacOS will be out. I have lots of computers too so upgrading MacOs is VASTLY cheaper !!
 
before committing yourself to spend a lot of cash, why not download the beta of windows 7, which is basically as close to the final release as possible. you could run it along side vista, without upsetting anything.
 
before committing yourself to spend a lot of cash, why not download the beta of windows 7, which is basically as close to the final release as possible. you could run it along side vista, without upsetting anything.

says alot as i still never bothered to put an offical release of vista on any of my systems yet still have a beta version on a system i dont use much. I still think XP is a better OS than vista and think vista will be like ME and not be around for long.
 
I think merging these two threads would help rather than just copying things over. Such as my reply to amp34 that photoshop and lightroom were written for the mac first not the pc. It is irrelevant though because neither platform is better than the other for photo work really. They both do the same job.
 
I think merging these two threads would help rather than just copying things over. Such as my reply to amp34 that photoshop and lightroom were written for the mac first not the pc. It is irrelevant though because neither platform is better than the other for photo work really. They both do the same job.

the whole argument these days comes down to operating systems, since basically the hardware is the same. There is naturally going to be a huge difference in quality (build and component) between a 300 quid PC and a 1200 quid mac. but if you even up the playing field a bit, you can easily buy a top end desktop machine (HP) which will give the mac a run for its money.

Architecture wise they used to be completely different, when macs used the IBM powerpc CPU. Nowadays they are all Intel based, and basically just a pc in a shiny white box.
 
remember that if youre installing W7 now you will need to reinstall the full version when released as the RC version expires.

re vista being the new ME, i couldnt disagree more. granted it had its teething issues but people forget that so did XP and it only really became stable after SP1 and rock solid after SP2. the original issue with vista was hardware vendors, simply put. hardware manufacturers were slow off the mark developing reliable drivers (if at all). and computer vendors were shipping it on machines that should never of been spec'd to run it.

im running vista x64 now and im more than happy with it, rock solid.
 
says alot as i still never bothered to put an offical release of vista on any of my systems yet still have a beta version on a system i dont use much. I still think XP is a better OS than vista and think vista will be like ME and not be around for long.

Take it from someone that used ME (:() and Vista that vista will never be classed as another ME.

ME used to crash all the time, just ranomly, for no apparent reason, whereas my Vista install (x64) has not crashed in two years of using it (since release), nor has my x86 version on my laptop that I have been using for over a year. In fact I can't remember the Beta and RC version of Vista that I had on before the full version crashing either. That is how stable vista is.

The only reason it is compared to ME at all is because people who either haven't used it or people who used it for a day or two and "hated it" slate it so much, usually because it is a "resource hog", which it is not, or because it thrashes the disks, the problem is those people uninstall it before it has indexed everything and don't realise that thrashing only occures for the first day, thus creating one of the best features of vista, the instant finding of any file and program on the PC.
 
To get back on topic for the OP...

I had Vista, found it not all that reliable to be honest even after SP1. Have switched to the iMAC and absolutely love it ! The packaging is great i.e. it all being in the screen with no cables everywhere. The 24" screen itself is gorgeous and the quality is absolutely superb. It comes with good useable software and iWorks is a fraction of the price of MS Office for day to day admin stuff. OS X is a much nicer user interface than Vista imho.

If i were to sum it up, it feels like it was designed completely around the user rather than designed around how a software developer thinks it should be :)

The but is that it doesn't come cheap !
 
To get back on topic for the OP...

I had Vista, found it not all that reliable to be honest even after SP1. Have switched to the iMAC and absolutely love it ! The packaging is great i.e. it all being in the screen with no cables everywhere. The 24" screen itself is gorgeous and the quality is absolutely superb. It comes with good useable software and iWorks is a fraction of the price of MS Office for day to day admin stuff. OS X is a much nicer user interface than Vista imho.

If i were to sum it up, it feels like it was designed completely around the user rather than designed around how a software developer thinks it should be :)

The but is that it doesn't come cheap !

agree that the imac is a good idea, its tidy. however those glossy screens are a pain in the arse to work on.

re office, its not compulsory to buy it. openoffice, same thing for free.

going back to what amp34 said about Vista being like ME i completely agree. ME was a SHOCKING bit of software, it was essentially a stop gap between 98 and XP and it failed miserably. i also agree about what he said about people saying vista is like ME, especially with the quote he referred to stating they only used the beta copy.
 
I don't see the pose factor or the "imac being col because it's all in one package" arguments hold any water. If you spend the same kind of money (or even less) you can get something that looks just as posey and tacky as macs look.

There are also offerings from various companies such as sony who offer PCs that have the computer and the monitor in one flat package like an imac.
 
... It comes with good useable software and iWorks is a fraction of the price of MS Office for day to day admin stuff. OS X is a much nicer user interface than Vista imho...

My version of MS Office ultimate cost me £40...:p

And as Yantorsen says, it's not just apple that do all in one solutions, from memory Sony and HP both do the same, and Dell at least used to, and those imo look better than the imacs (but then I hate white cases, black on the other hand...)
 
Yes MS are learning! You can get the student version of office for £33 and to qualify you just have to have kids at any school :)
 
Yeha, it's a shame they don't offer it to more people, I was lucky as there was no way I would buy it at full cost (around £200-£300?).
 
My family prefer Pages rather than Word and this is included within iWorks09 and it is compatible with Word (mostly). I use Word normally depending on what I am doing. Excel is certainly better than Numbers so I use that. I have a very sophisticated Household budgeting system I wrote for Excel and there is no way that I am re-writing it! The biggest problem for mac users though is that they have removed the programming language for 2008. This is a big loss for me as I used it when I needed to do more sophisticated stuff!

Its about that price on PC and Windows if you are a student but it is just too expensive otherwise (for the use I would put it to)
 
Out of interest, despite running linux only for the past 6 years or so, I've actually installed a 2nd hard drive, and made a small partition for windows 7 RC.


Whether I'll wipe my linux install and migrate to 100% windows, I'm unsure at the moment, I'd certainly need to think about my current photo workflow + software and see how I coud do this in windows. Digikam for photo organisation and edit them in gimp. Lightroom looks nice, but it is expensive!
 
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