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I've gotten a haul of M42 lenses from a car-boot (see threads passim) and it came with a Zenit TTL. I've been thinking of replacing that with a nicer body (not that I've tried this one yet - I'm just being prejudiced against Soviet cameras).

Obviously, there's the Spotmatic. Are there any others I should consider? All I need is fully manual with a needle-match meter, good build quality, and preferably a cheap, non-obscure battery.
 
I have a Praktica MTL3 which has a needle style meter and is fully manual. Seems pretty robust but I haven't used it enough to say for sure. Picked mine up off ebay for less than a tenner
 
Zenits are excellent. Those sold in the UK were imported by TOE and underwent stringent checks in this country before being sold. Spotmatic are iconic but almost all SLR cameras sold in the 50s and 60s were M42 fit. Spotmatic are better than many as the circuitry for the meter allows you to use modern batteries without affecting the reading - most cameras of that era used mercury batteries, now banned.
 
Annoyingly, I just sold an MTL3 on eBay. Decided to concentrate on not-M42, and then lucked into these lenses.

Good to know about the Zenit, though, thanks. I should give it a try. Should I go with a cheap 1.5v battery that changes voltage as it dies, an expensive 1.5v battery that doesn't, or a Wein cell?
 
I've got both a zenit TTL and a MTL3 and of the two I prefer the zenit aside from the one I have has a tendency to eat film while rewinding, but I think thats more a user error than a fault as such.
 
Agree with the Praktica suggestion. Yes there are more refined Japanese bodies out there but they will be a lot more expensive. I got a Praktica MTL5 off of ebay for £10 & have been very happy with it.

I had a Helios 44 that I wanted to use again & wanted something better than the Zenit EM that I had last used in 1984. It is meant to use the banned PX 625 mercury battery but works quite happily with a higher voltage alkaline LR9. Read online that the difference in voltage doesn't throw the meter out by enough to harm exposures.
 
The Ricoh/Chinon/Prinzflex/WhatHaveYou TTL (first model) has always struck me as particularly robust, has a Copal Square shutter and a decent viewfinder. Plus, I think it's nearly as pretty as a Spottie...

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Spotmatic F - probably the best M42 camera (minus perhaps the electronic aperture priority Pentax ES and ESII, although they tend to have electronic problems now a lot of the time) made as it can also link in with the aperture tab on Pentax SMC Takumar lenses (in case you've got any of them in your collection they are exceptionally high quality and can still hold their own today) for open-aperture metering and is compatible with practically every M42 lens made. It has a needle match exposure and like all Spotmatic's it has a voltage compensation circuit so you can use modern cheap coin batteries with no adjustment to the meter.

I brought mine about 7 years ago from the original owner who had brought it new in 1973, and aside from needing a CLA for the top shutter speeds slipping a few years later it's never developed any problems. The only thing I wish mine had was a split focus screen (it has the standard microprism), which was apparently a custom option if you ordered it directly from a Pentax dealer (you could also order ones with mirror lock up, motor drive mounting points, grid focus screens etc; the list was quite extensive but I don't think I've ever seen any for sale that have any of those features which is likely as few people would have gone to the trouble of specifically ordering a custom model you could only get directly from Pentax).
 
I have a Spotmatic and got the modern battery for it, which has a chamfered plastic collar to fit the battery bay properly. You can fudge it with an o-ring and some tinfoil padding but frankly I got tired of faffing about and bought a proper 387 replacement from the Small Battery Company.

I also have a Fuji ST-801, which I bought to be able to do open aperture metering but I don't think it works with lenses other than Fuji's own. I've never really gelled with it so it's one of those cameras which was put to one side and ignored.
 
Cosina are always worth considering. Many Cosina models were rebranded for other manufacturers including Nikon, Canon and Olympus but the Cosina branded versions are generally much cheaper to buy. Quality is generally very good.
 
Another Zenit user here! I am new to the photography world, though I've had an interest for a long time and my father is a keen photographer, so the basics are more or less there.

I've purchased a Canon D400 from a friend when she bought a new DSLR, and while the Canon DSLR will be my 'main' camera I stumbled across some excellent photos taken on expired film.

I have an interest in quirky things and a bit of a thing for austere soviet design, so purchased a Zenit B and Helios 44-5 lens on ebay (which I've modded to allow aperture selection on the earlier body) for very little money, despite being in great condition. The intention is to use the 35mm camera exclusively with expired film.

I've also just purchased a spare body (Zenit 11) in case I gave any problems with the B. Zenits are great value for money, and incredibly sturdy.
 
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Cheap introduction to film photography, the camera cost me £13 with postage and the lens was £18. They are both in excellent condition.

I've just picked up a spare body for just £6.20 including postage, but I have a feeling I'll pick up another lens and use it for either black and white or infra red.
 
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Err..

Never had one but always fancied a Bessaflex..
 
This fell out of some-one' attic during a house move, a few decades ago;
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Gifted to me for my help shifting boxes, as they didn't really know how to use it; along with a meter-less Zenit. It prompted me to build up an all prime 'period' outfit around it; rummaging through the bargain bins for interesting M42 lenses in the camera shops when I popped in for film...
A Practika ML I think, came along in a 'lucky-dip' box, for a tenner, and I think there was another Practika that popped up along the way.
I have to say I did NOT get on with the Practika's; one of them had a TTL meter, but the shutter release was on the side of the lens & I hated the handling.
T'owld man, kept trying to bequeath me his Pentax Spotty... which I have to confess, was wasted on me; I think that it was 'the' camera to aspire to when he was a struggling student, but twenty year on, I just didn't appreciate the hype about it.
That, Sigma, however is a 'keeper'. Its actually a Japan made Richoch 'derviative' from the now famouse lens-maker; all metal, all clock-work; metal leaf focal plane shutter, fully manual, with uncoupled TT, CWA swing-needle in the view-finder; meter switch on the side of the mirror housing 'stops down' auto-lenses to meter; its a real joy to handle. Battery is only used by the meter, so if flat, camera still 'works'.. you just have to f16-sunny-emate.. though in quarter of a century, that has only been required once! Current drain is tiny, and only for as long as you hold the meter witch down! Takes mushroom cell, which isn't so common; but not unobtainable by far, and on the one occasion it flatted on my, I was slightly astonished to find one on the shelf in the little provincial Chemists in the village in Somerset I was camping in! That battery was replaced about five years ago with one bought of e-bay, easily enough.

I was actually offered a brand new Sigma Auto-Focus SLR in straight swap or that camera, by the Sigma rep, bout twenty odd years ago; as he had never seen one, and his director, and the advertising hype of the time, insisted that the (then new) AF Sigma was their 'first' SLR camera, which this denied! Quite glad I refused actually.... although, googling in the modern era reveals that it isn't as rare as presumed; There were a number of Richoch clones, copies and derivatives, and apparently Sigma made quite a few of them, but like a lot of their lenses of the era, they were sold under other brand-names; this badged as a Sigma MK1, though was apparently the only one they put their own name to, and most were sold in the US, where they are apparently worth about $40.. But begs suggestion that with a little e-bay browsng and cross referencing you could find one of the more obscure re-branded versions quite cheaply.

Meanwhile, the Zenit......Practika's... were a bit of a bad penny! I kept trying to give them away, but some-how always seemed to end up with them back! However, the Zenit? In a similar manner; I found it some-what 'cumbersome' when I first tried it; and so gave it to my Grandad, who better appreciated it... before it found its way back to me after he died! Which gave me some sentimental reason to give it a second chance, and I have to say... fully manual, completely clock-work, and clunky as heck! It has sort of grown on me! I don't even 'miss' the meter that much on it any-more.. still manages to catch me out and graze my knuckles on the rather sharp strap buckles.... but curiously I sort of forgive it! There is something very unpretentious about it, the laboriousness it demands becomes part of the charm... M42 and back-to-basics, the Zenit IS about as basic as they come! Give it a chance, you never know, you may find the charm in them.
 
My choice would be and is the Cosina CSL,CSM or CSR,I have all three, reliable and accurate easy to use meters feel good in the hand and are available in all black or chrome and most important can be found in good condition for under £15.00
 
Thanks all! Great advice. Going to get a cheap battery for the Zenit to start with, I think, as people seem to rate them higher than I would have guessed.
 
Had a Zenit XP for M42 for a while, it was ok, never had any trouble with it but I guess reliability was always its failing.
In contrast, I didn't fair too well with a spotmatic or a Ricoh but that's the trouble with old cameras, ya pays ya money..
 
Thanks all! Great advice. Going to get a cheap battery for the Zenit to start with, I think, as people seem to rate them higher than I would have guessed.

Which Zenit? All but the newest ones don't have a battery at all, such is their manualness (is that even a word?)

I wasn't worried about getting a Zenit with a light meter as I have read that the selenium cells lose their effectiveness eventually. In the absence of a light better I downloaded a free app on my iPhone called Lux, which seems to work well. As I shoot only expired film with the Zenit I drop one ISO below the films rating, which seems about right.
 
'Manualness' is an excellent word.

Selenium meters lose their response in a mostly theoretical way. I have several selenium meters from the 1950s that agree with my EOS 650D. If they are in the dark when not being used, they last a very long time.
 
Which Zenit? All but the newest ones don't have a battery at all, such is their manualness (is that even a word?)

I wasn't worried about getting a Zenit with a light meter as I have read that the selenium cells lose their effectiveness eventually. In the absence of a light better I downloaded a free app on my iPhone called Lux, which seems to work well. As I shoot only expired film with the Zenit I drop one ISO below the films rating, which seems about right.

Cheers! It's a TLL, definitely has a battery. According to Camerapedia, it will quite happily work on a 1.5v battery, so that's good news. Also, I could hammer nails with it if it doesn't work as a camera.
 
I'm happy with the metal body Chinon CE memotron....quite advanced for M42 with flash sync @ 1/125, vert shutter and when being lazy you can select auto. Haven't got round to the "Memetron" bit, probably something to do with storing exposure before taking a shot..
 
I think it should be 'manuality'

What about the Yashica Electro?

And Olympus had one too.
 
I bought a Praktica MTL3 in an antique shop a few weeks ago for £23, with a 50mm lens, and I'm very happy with it. I am sure that some will consider than an extravagant price, but compared to buying from email I was able to examine the camera before buying so I could see it worked. I didn't think to check the meter, because I usually use a hand-held meter, and sure enough there was some corrosion in the battery compartment. Exposure meters are often the first thing to go in these cameras and if you can free yourself of the hope that the meter will work then you will have a wider range of vintage cameras available to use. I have a Sekonic L208 twin-mate meter and reckon it will eventually pay for itself compared with buying batteries for every camera that would otherwise need one. I also have a Sekonic L758-D, which is a luxury that is never going to pay for itself, except for professionals.

A week later I found a Pentacon 29mm f2.8 at Tynemouth Market and paid £10 for it - that did turn out to be too much to pay because it is very soft in the corners even at f11. So now I've got a Tamron Adaptall 28mm f2.5 on order, which will be used by the Praktica and a Canon FTb with appropriate adapters. I may also look for a Helios 44 for the swirly-ness factor.
 
The Pentacon 29mm (Lydith etc) can be hit and miss because of copy variation...but get a good one and it's a very good lens. I had one and it was a cracker but sent it back because the focus ring was soo stiff...silly me I should have oiled it. :rolleyes:
 
Aware that my Zenit - B is about 40 years old I bought a spare body from eBay, just in case. Now I can't help looking at it and thinking 'hmmm, black and white'

Well, you would never guess what happened.. I'm out in Spain at the moment, not only do I have my Canon DSLR and Zenit B with me, the Zenit II is with me as well, containing a roll of..... Yup, black and white film!

Could have seen that coming a mile off!
 
Remember you are buying a 50 year old camera so regardless of make look out for disintegrating foam seals. Door seals re easy to replace but some manufacturers used the same foam internally and it turns into a sticky mess. An extreme example is the Yashica 'pad of death' though that's not M42 so not strictly applicable Otherwise, slow running shutters, mercury batteries, wind on mechanism problems etc.External cosmetic condition is not the only factor.

I have a Spotmatic that looks as though it has done about 100,000 exposures and works fine though I wouldn't necessary take any notice of built in metering.
 
You're probably right, it's years since I had a Zenit. I was just making a comment about some of the pitfalls of buying old cameras.
 
Russian cameras tended to use waxed string, if I remember correctly.
 
I haven't run film through the Zenit 11 yet, but the Zenit B works perfectly, no light leaks or sticky mechanisms.
 
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