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what absolute tosh

can't believe i wasted an entire week of my life for that. way too religious ending. take me to the light. so typically american.
 
Spoilers here, so the choice not to read it is here.

I don't think it was a waste at all. I felt a lot of the magic go from season 4 onwards, but there was still nothing to compare it to (on screen, at least) and you have to finish the story. It was still well-written, and there was a lot of pressure on the writers/crew/cast/network etc. to deliver the standards it had set. I think in that sense they tried not to be as self-indulgent, and forward that onto the ending you'd probably feel let down. In a way I was, too, but there's the concept.

Let it go. It could be something that you think of with a bad taste in your mouth, but for around 119 hours before that it was great. Right? It's not very fair to cast something out like that. It isn't all great, because a big theme of the series was life death and experiences of the characters that was all concentrated into the ending. Not all of life is great, and death doesn't seem too appealing, but the experience does. Saying it was a waste of time is like saying everything before your death is meaningless. From a broader perspective and a different cynical angle, you're probably right, but what's the point in that?

The ending wasn't supposed to be the best part, just the last. I hope I don't lead my life in preparation for my own death, because I don't think I'd have much to look back on. The whole purpose of the flash sideways timeline was to give the characters a chance to rectify the mistakes they learned from on the Island in a better, or at least alternate, version of life in the afterlife.

I'm not a religious person, but I believe without faith life is rather bleak. I could try to find the answers like my impulses tell me to and suck all life and artistic merit out of something to fulfill my own selfish desires of my own perfect story. Or, you can just let it go. Let it mean what you want it to mean, but don't twist and contort something just so it's more plausible for yourself to swallow. The rest of the earlier episodes are there to enjoy still, like I am doing so now.

I know if I ever found my version of the Island, I wouldn't hesitate - I'd crash head first. It's doing it that matters.
 
To summe it up the best i can:

I think the overall lesson is that we're all going to die eventually, so we may as well surround ourselves with as many attractive people as we can...
 
OK here's my take on it all...

The orignal plane crash, the rescue of the six, and their subsequent return to the island were all real and actually happened. Everyting on the island was a real experience - Jack dies - the others escape in the plane and Hurley remains on the island as the new Jacob, with Ben remaining as well and acting as his No2..

All the time shifts which happened were confined solely to the island.

The parallel events happening in the U.S. which I took to be some sort of 2nd dimension or parallel existence, wasn't in fact that all- it was all taking place in limbo - a place where the dead go where they are reunited with loved ones and friends before they go to the light. Everyone there was dead already, living out roles designed to help them make contact with these friends and loved ones, which was also a trigger to them remembering each other from their real lives, with Sawyer (detective) and Kate (criminal) being a good example. Also the doctor/patient relationship between Jack and Locke is another good example. Jack never actually operated on Locke - Locke was still in a wheelchair at the very end when he arrived at the church. Many of the people had lived out long lives before arriving in limbo.and we have to asiiume they died of old age and natural causes. At once stage Kate says on meeting Jack - "It's been a very long time" which was a strong hint.

Ben declines to enter the church saying he's "not ready" He's dead like everyone else there (He and Hurley have lived out their lives on the island and died there) but he can't forgive himself for murdering Locke and his general behaviour on the island, despite the fact that Locke forgives him .

When Ben tells Locke he can get out of the wheelchair he stands up and virtually bounds up the steps - no longer needing the chair because of course, he's dead.

Inside the church all the friends are reunited and when Jack's father opens the doors to the light they all go through togeter.... the end! So -a classic tale of good and evil, with a treacly religious ending which was a real cop out for me and spoiled what was a great series.

Too many questions were left unanswered.

Who or what was Smokey?

What was Dhama doing on the island?

Polar Bears - WTF?

The Egyptian temples and munuments were never explained.

What happened to the kid Walt who was kidnapped early in the series?

I think the whole plot and cast of characters got too big and too complicated as the series went on and the writers never started out with a defined ending planned, so I suspected all along the ending would be religious, supennatural, or some sort of alien intervention to explain all the mysteries.

I think I'd have preferred the aliens!
 
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Excellent summation there Cedric :thumbs:

I couldn't have worded it as succinctly as you've done but I agree with your theory.

I just feel very let down by the cop out ending. They clearly had no idea how it was going to end when they started writing it. After the first two series it became over indulgent and way too complicated for it's own good. The trouble was, by series 6 no one could remember half of what had gone before anyway lol.

I still enjoyed it thoroughly, I just wish the conclusion had been more convincing and less vague. They owed it to us to answer some more questions and ultimately they let us down.
 
Ashes to Ashes Spoiler






Loved the show but shame it was nearly the same ending as Ashes to Ashes
 
Anton17 said:
Spoilers here, so the choice not to read it is here.

I don't think it was a waste at all. I felt a lot of the magic go from season 4 onwards, but there was still nothing to compare it to (on screen, at least) and you have to finish the story. It was still well-written, and there was a lot of pressure on the writers/crew/cast/network etc. to deliver the standards it had set. I think in that sense they tried not to be as self-indulgent, and forward that onto the ending you'd probably feel let down. In a way I was, too, but there's the concept.
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Any pressure on the writers was put there by themselves by all the stuff they put in the show in the previous 5 seasons.

Anton17 said:
Let it go. It could be something that you think of with a bad taste in your mouth, but for around 119 hours before that it was great. Right? It's not very fair to cast something out like that. It isn't all great, because a big theme of the series was life death and experiences of the characters that was all concentrated into the ending. Not all of life is great, and death doesn't seem too appealing, but the experience does. Saying it was a waste of time is like saying everything before your death is meaningless. From a broader perspective and a different cynical angle, you're probably right, but what's the point in that?
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Every single episode left me thinking "Whats going to happen at the end?" They didn't resolve enough episode to episode, they just introduced more characters and asked more questions. They owed it to us to give us more answers, the ending was nothing to do with what happened in the 5 seasons prior, it was just to do with them moving on. Thats what was a let down, they just left all the stuff that had kept you gripped throughout unanswered.

Anton17 said:
The ending wasn't supposed to be the best part, just the last. I hope I don't lead my life in preparation for my own death, because I don't think I'd have much to look back on. The whole purpose of the flash sideways timeline was to give the characters a chance to rectify the mistakes they learned from on the Island in a better, or at least alternate, version of life in the afterlife.

I'm not a religious person, but I believe without faith life is rather bleak. I could try to find the answers like my impulses tell me to and suck all life and artistic merit out of something to fulfill my own selfish desires of my own perfect story. Or, you can just let it go. Let it mean what you want it to mean, but don't twist and contort something just so it's more plausible for yourself to swallow. The rest of the earlier episodes are there to enjoy still, like I am doing so now.

I know if I ever found my version of the Island, I wouldn't hesitate - I'd crash head first. It's doing it that matters.
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Not sure how to reply to that bit, we're talking about a tv show here, this all seemed a bit too deep for me.
 
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Grendel said:
Excellent summation there Cedric :thumbs:

I couldn't have worded it as succinctly as you've done but I agree with your theory.

I just feel very let down by the cop out ending. They clearly had no idea how it was going to end when they started writing it. After the first two series it became over indulgent and way too complicated for it's own good. The trouble was, by series 6 no one could remember half of what had gone before anyway lol.

I still enjoyed it thoroughly, I just wish the conclusion had been more convincing and less vague. They owed it to us to answer some more questions and ultimately they let us down.
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I also agree with the summation, but my biggest qualm is so what. Ok they are dead, they died at different times and here they are in this substory with their right of passage to the next step. Meh, what about all the stuff that happened in 5 other seasons that was the parts you found interesting:

where was the island
what was the golden light
where did the polar bear come from
what was the significance of the numbers
what did pressing the button do
how did jacob and richard stay alive so long
how could the chinese dude hear dead people
how did the island time travel
what was widmore going to do with desmond
why was desmond so special

The fact is, this was the stuff that made the series, and the stuff that had you gripped. The ending and the whole last season subplot treated the series like none of that was important, we're just supposed to be ok with "Stuff happened" then they died.

Not for me
 
Wasn't the polar bear in Walt's comic? Walt had an ability to make things happen.
Didn't Walt leave the island with his Dad?

As Jack was trying to plug the hole and restart the light, things started to change in the parallel events. Jack no longer had a son and Jack wasn't married to Juliet.

The Dharma Initiative were on the island trying to tap the energy.

The "chinese dude" was obviously a Medium of sorts.
 
joescrivens said:
I also agree with the summation, but my biggest qualm is so what. Ok they are dead, they died at different times and here they are in this substory with their right of passage to the next step. Meh, what about all the stuff that happened in 5 other seasons that was the parts you found interesting:

where was the island
what was the golden light
where did the polar bear come from
what was the significance of the numbers
what did pressing the button do
how did jacob and richard stay alive so long
how could the chinese dude hear dead people
how did the island time travel
what was widmore going to do with desmond
why was desmond so special

The fact is, this was the stuff that made the series, and the stuff that had you gripped. The ending and the whole last season subplot treated the series like none of that was important, we're just supposed to be ok with "Stuff happened" then they died.

Not for me
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Quite. We get no closure on anything which has really annoyed me.

People keep saying to me that it was a "character piece" and the surrounding story about the Island doesn't matter but even if that is true - I'm still not happy. Yes they all (well most of them) seem to get a happy ending reunited with the ones they love - but only when they are dead... how is that closure?
 
joescrivens said:
I also agree with the summation, but my biggest qualm is so what. Ok they are dead, they died at different times and here they are in this substory with their right of passage to the next step. Meh, what about all the stuff that happened in 5 other seasons that was the parts you found interesting:

where was the island
what was the golden light
where did the polar bear come from
what was the significance of the numbers
what did pressing the button do
how did jacob and richard stay alive so long
how could the chinese dude hear dead people
how did the island time travel
what was widmore going to do with desmond
why was desmond so special

The fact is, this was the stuff that made the series, and the stuff that had you gripped. The ending and the whole last season subplot treated the series like none of that was important, we're just supposed to be ok with "Stuff happened" then they died.

Not for me
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so many of these questions have been answered. More attention must be paid, young paduin.
 
The23rdman said:
so many of these questions have been answered. More attention must be paid, young paduin.
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No they haven't, they've just been inferred and left up to interpretation, if I am wrong feel free to go through and tell me the answers and the times when they answered them :shrug:
 
LOL the only reference I can recall to the computer numbers in the hatch were that they were the same as the numbers on Hurley's winning lottery ticket. Hardly an explanation? In fact it's just another piece of irrelevant and confusing information. :thinking:
 
nilagin said:
Wasn't the polar bear in Walt's comic? Walt had an ability to make things happen.
Didn't Walt leave the island with his Dad?
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I didn't ask about Walt but even that explanation is weak - walt had an ability to make things happen? How - this wasn't explained, what was he some kind of superhero?

nilagin said:
As Jack was trying to plug the hole and restart the light, things started to change in the parallel events. Jack no longer had a son and Jack wasn't married to Juliet.
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Jack was never married to Juliet in the first place, nor did he ever have a son, these were just elements of his afterlife moment

nilagin said:
The Dharma Initiative were on the island trying to tap the energy.

The "chinese dude" was obviously a Medium of sorts.
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What was the energy? what did they want to do with it, where did it come from? the questions go on.

Why did Widmore hire the people like the chinese guy and others to go to the island, they didn't do anything there.
 
CT said:
LOL the only reference I can recall to the computer numbers in the hatch were that they were the same as the numbers on Hurley's winning lottery ticket. Hardly an explanation? In fact it's just another piece of irrelevant and confusing information. :thinking:
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exactly, what did those numbers do in the machine? How did they end up also being the winning lottery numbers for hurley. All just red herrings that meant nothing in the end
 
Edtog said:
Ashes to Ashes Spoiler






Loved the show but shame it was nearly the same ending as Ashes to Ashes
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I thought about that as well, a bit of a coincidence eh?
 
joescrivens said:
Jack was never married to Juliet in the first place, nor did he ever have a son, these were just elements of his afterlife moment
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Regardless of the fact that, that was part of his afterlife it still changed as he was dying.
 
A hugely entertainng series despite the dodgyy ending though. I thought the casting was superb with some really stong characters on screen. I thought Locke, Linus, and Sayed particularly, dominated every scene they appeared in.

Terry O'Quinn (John Locke) really impressed me with the way he handled some of those big knives, there were a few times where he flicked it back into it's sheath without even looking in a very practised, almost casual manner. It transpires he's really into knives and one of his interests is knife throwing.
 
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joescrivens said:
where was the island
what was the golden light
where did the polar bear come from
what was the significance of the numbers
what did pressing the button do
how did jacob and richard stay alive so long
how could the chinese dude hear dead people
how did the island time travel
what was widmore going to do with desmond
why was desmond so special
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The island existed in time & space. no specific point as it could be moved. How, i have no idea.
The golden light was the "heart" of the island. Put out the light and the island goes to hell, thus the world ceases to exist. Jacob explains this in season 6 using a bottle and a cork.
The polar bear was brought to the island by the dharma initiative, season 4 or 5 i think its referenced
The numbers were shown in season 6, when Jack and hurley went to jacbos light house
Pressing the button contained the energy/light. how, again i dont know.
Jacob and richard staying alive for many years, not a clue
Chinese dude hearing dead people, same as sixth sense. some people have a gift.
Island time travelling, not a clue. I think that was explained in part by eloise hawkin in either season 4 or 5.
Widmore needed desmond due to his resistance to electromagnitism. How, again, not a clue. Same goes for why is desmond so special

Heres a good link i found on talk audio

http://screenrant.com/lost-finale-explanation-kofi-61464/

might explain more than i have or even can.
 
nilagin said:
Regardless of the fact that, that was part of his afterlife it still changed as he was dying.
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what does that have to do with the questions that weren't answered though? I'm failing to see the relevance of this point.
 
Gareth S said:
The island existed in time & space. no specific point as it could be moved. How, i have no idea.
The golden light was the "heart" of the island. Put out the light and the island goes to hell, thus the world ceases to exist. Jacob explains this in season 6 using a bottle and a cork.
The polar bear was brought to the island by the dharma initiative, season 4 or 5 i think its referenced
The numbers were shown in season 6, when Jack and hurley went to jacbos light house
Pressing the button contained the energy/light. how, again i dont know.
Jacob and richard staying alive for many years, not a clue
Chinese dude hearing dead people, same as sixth sense. some people have a gift.
Island time travelling, not a clue. I think that was explained in part by eloise hawkin in either season 4 or 5.
Widmore needed desmond due to his resistance to electromagnitism. How, again, not a clue. Same goes for why is desmond so special

Heres a good link i found on talk audio

http://screenrant.com/lost-finale-explanation-kofi-61464/

might explain more than i have or even can.
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Everything you said isn't an explanation of the events, it's just a very vague reason inferred by the show, none of this is news to me and none of it helps to explain what happened. Thanks for trying though !
 
CT said:
A hugely entertainng series despite the dodgyy ending though. I thought the casting was superb with some really stong characters on screen. I thought Locke, Linus, and Sayed particularly, dominated every scene they appeared in.

Terry O'Quinn (John Locke) really impressed me with the way he handled some of those big knives, there were a few times where he flicked it back into it's sheath without even looking in a very practised, almost casual manner. It transpires he's really into knives and one of his interests is knife throwing.
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Have to agree with this, the characters and the acting was superb which was what makes the weak everyone is happy (done soley for an american audience so much harder to take)
 
I'm not sure about this but apart from Desmond being special because of his huge resistance to electro magnetic force, or whatever it was, I think he was also special in the after life in being aware of his previous real existance. In fact doesn't he act as a deliberate catalyst trying to bring the people back together in the afterlife? For example he deliberately runs Locke over to force the meeting of Locke and Jack. he knows he can't kill Locke who is already dead. When Desmond is beating the crap out of Ben Linus over the bonnet of the car, he (Desmond) keeps yelling "You want to know who I am" and at this point Ben is experiencing partial flashbacks.
 
CT said:
I'm not sure about this but apart from Desmond being special because of his huge resistance to electro magnetic force, or whatever it was, I think he was also special in the after life in being aware of his previous real existance. In fact doesn't he act as a deliberate catalyst trying to bring the people back together in the afterlife? For example he deliberately runs Locke over to force the meeting of Locke and Jack. he knows he can't kill Locke who is already dead. When Desmond is beating the crap out of Ben Linus over the bonnet of the car, he (Desmond) keeps yelling "You want to know who I am" and at this point Ben is experiencing partial flashbacks.
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Yep, all of this is true but nobody answers the question WHY

WHy and how did desmond become this special - are we supposed to just accept it with no reason. That is what seems to be the message from the writers, just accept this fact without any backup story or explanation why or how.

thats what doesn't sit with me.

Why when jacobs brother went down did he turn into black smoke when desmond and jack didn't. He wasn't evil, he just wanted to leave the island, if anything at that time Jacob and his mother were more cynical. how did their mother kill the entire village by herself.

Also, Sayed's whole existence and coming back was because of his hurt for nadia - surely in the afterlife he would have met up with her - not Shannon. She was just a random love interest, nadia was the love of his life

no makey sensey
 
my view (as im watching it again)

Lost was the best telly ive watched for years, i genuinely looked forward to it, and really enjoyed most of it (the odd episode here and there) Overall the last episode was really good, some questions were left unanswered, but I had already convinced myself it was going to be a duffer so was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed it!

The numbers: jacob gave them all a number, hurley knew the numbers and linked them with everyone else, the numbers on the hatch reinforced his opinion that he was supposed to be there doing something - in the end he was the new jacob

the 'flash sideways' alternate reality, Desmond is electronuked and crossed over into the reality, he realises whats going on(that they are inlimbo in that reality and need to be released)so he sets about trying to free them by getting them together with each other, Hurley is in on it to.

I think overthinking the ending spoils it a little, if you think over the last couple of seasons then more things are answered as the seaons went on.

I will miss Lost, definately a good 6 years worth of TV - Locke and Syed where my favourite characters, Terry O Quinn was in Millenium, enjoyed watching him in that too
 
Got to agree that it was a disappointing ending :shake:
For me the last 2 series seemed to go so far off track and lose the magic of the earlier ones that I hoped we'd get a few more definitive answers in the last one.

Instead, we had 2 hours of overly sentimental, politically correct slush.
OK it tied up a few loose ends, but only in a very vague way. The focus was all about the characters finding peace, which while very nice isn't what kept me watching episode after episode.

I think it was also partially spoilt by seeing the finale of Ashes to Ashes, a few days before.
While that ended on a similar theme it was IMO handled in a far better way and left you with a real sense of closure and understanding.

CT said:
LOL the only reference I can recall to the computer numbers in the hatch were that they were the same as the numbers on Hurley's winning lottery ticket. Hardly an explanation? In fact it's just another piece of irrelevant and confusing information. :thinking:
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That's one of the bits that I did get early on.
On the wall where the candidates names were written, each one had a number next to it. The candidates that were left at the end had the same numbers as the computer / lottery numbers.
 
joescrivens said:
what does that have to do with the questions that weren't answered though? I'm failing to see the relevance of this point.
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I was making a point about what CT wrote
CT said:
All the time shifts which happened were confined solely to the island.

The parallel events happening in the U.S. which I took to be some sort of 2nd dimension or parallel existence, wasn't in fact that all- it was all taking place in limbo - a place where the dead go where they are reunited with loved ones and friends before they go to the light. Everyone there was dead already, living out roles designed to help them make contact with these friends and loved ones, which was also a trigger to them remembering each other from their real lives, with Sawyer (detective) and Kate (criminal) being a good example. Also the doctor/patient relationship between Jack and Locke is another good example. Jack never actually operated on Locke - Locke was still in a wheelchair at the very end when he arrived at the church. Many of the people had lived out long lives before arriving in limbo.and we have to asiiume they died of old age and natural causes. At once stage Kate says on meeting Jack - "It's been a very long time" which was a strong hint.

Ben declines to enter the church saying he's "not ready" He's dead like everyone else there (He and Hurley have lived out their lives on the island and died there) but he can't forgive himself for murdering Locke and his general behaviour on the island, despite the fact that Locke forgives him .

When Ben tells Locke he can get out of the wheelchair he stands up and virtually bounds up the steps - no longer needing the chair because of course, he's dead.

Inside the church all the friends are reunited and when Jack's father opens the doors to the light they all go through togeter.... the end! So -a classic tale of good and evil, with a treacly religious ending which was a real cop out for me and spoiled what was a great series.
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Even in the afterlife events were still changing.
 
joescrivens said:
Yep, all of this is true but nobody answers the question WHY

WHy and how did desmond become this special - are we supposed to just accept it with no reason. That is what seems to be the message from the writers, just accept this fact without any backup story or explanation why or how.

thats what doesn't sit with me.

Why when jacobs brother went down did he turn into black smoke when desmond and jack didn't. He wasn't evil, he just wanted to leave the island, if anything at that time Jacob and his mother were more cynical. how did their mother kill the entire village by herself.

Also, Sayed's whole existence and coming back was because of his hurt for nadia - surely in the afterlife he would have met up with her - not Shannon. She was just a random love interest, nadia was the love of his life

no makey sensey
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Desmond was nuked a couple of times by the island, maybe that had something to do with it

Syeds brother was slipping that Nadia, but on the island he was in love with shannon before she got killed, he needed to find her to make the connection for him and her.

the dead body of Jacobs brother went into the light, the woman warned not to go down there as it would unleash whatever, which it did. She also had the power to be smoke dude..
 
joescrivens said:
Yep, all of this is true but nobody answers the question WHY

WHy and how did desmond become this special - are we supposed to just accept it with no reason. That is what seems to be the message from the writers, just accept this fact without any backup story or explanation why or how.

thats what doesn't sit with me.

Why when jacobs brother went down did he turn into black smoke when desmond and jack didn't. He wasn't evil, he just wanted to leave the island, if anything at that time Jacob and his mother were more cynical. how did their mother kill the entire village by herself.

Also, Sayed's whole existence and coming back was because of his hurt for nadia - surely in the afterlife he would have met up with her - not Shannon. She was just a random love interest, nadia was the love of his life

no makey sensey
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joescrivens said:
Why when jacobs brother went down did he turn into black smoke when desmond and jack didn't. He wasn't evil, he just wanted to leave the island, if anything at that time Jacob and his mother were more cynical. how did their mother kill the entire village by herself.
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When Jacob's brother went down in the cave, he hadn't drunk the wine/water and been 'sworn in'. In fact he and Jacob had been forbidden by mum to go in the cave at this point and both were mortal so I can understand that bit.

Jack was an immortal when he went in the cave (having been 'sworn in') and Desmond was immune due to his special resistance, so presumably they were both protected.

Mother must have been Smokey Mk1 to kill the entire village? There's a huge contradiction there though - if she's Smokey (and therefore BAD) - how come she's nurturing the two boys with a view to one of them eventually assuming responsiblity for protecting the light - a GOOD role?

I know you can over- analyse it but it just leaves too many questions. In the end you can only conclude the writers were unable to deliver.
 
Missed the last four seasons but watched the double-bill tonight to see what the fuss was about - it's still overwritten, overhyped TV that was finished in the most boring of fashions. Very dissapointing what happened. Would rather have watched the final episode of Crossroads instead..... :(
 
Gareth S gave this a good bash but I'll try to elaborate.

joescrivens said:
where was the island - it had no fixed position but moved over electro-magnetic pockets as explained by the pendulum map thing in the church with Eloise before they all go back. There was also a scene in one of the early seasons of two dudes in some snowy place that got the massive reading of electromagnetic energy of when Oceanic 815 crashed (I think, it's been a long time since I saw that scene), but I'm pretty sure they were employed by Widmore to find the Island.

what was the golden light - this one more left more down to interpretation. I saw it as the physical embodiment of life on Earth. It could just be another theory of how to answer our existence other than creationism or evolution. Other than the literal interpretation, I liked to think of it as the thing that fueled the dualism (also mirrored throughout the entire show and most of the cast) between Jacob and the Man In Black fighting for/protecting it. Like I said, I'm pretty sure this was supposed to be open ended.

where did the polar bear come from - they were brought to the Island by the Dharma initiative for experiments on whether animals could adapt/evolve from extreme environmental change (polar bear like ice, polar bear not like tropical jungle). I also think this was referenced to in the map on the blast door of the Swan hatch. I think the experiment worked, since the Dharma folk were around in the 70's and Sawyer shot one of them in 2004, shortly followed by one attacking Walt.

what was the significance of the numbers - the writers admitted that initially the numbers started out just being something to connect Rousseau and Hurley (radio transmission/lottery number backstory). Other than clearly being the numbers Jacob chose for the candidates, I think it was theorized that they were the digits for the Valenzetti equation to determine the date of the end of the world. This was explained in bonus features on one of the DVDs or perhaps the video game.

what did pressing the button do - physics sh!t occurs and the electromagnetic energy that was let out during the Incident (that the losties actually caused) so it doesn't blow up the Island. Radzinsky built the Swan in an attempt to use the massive energy beneath it, but **** happens so he went crazy and killed himself. Poor dude.

how did jacob and richard stay alive so long - they were the protectors of the thing that connects all life, so I guess it comes in the job description.

how could the chinese dude hear dead people - same reason Hurley could see them, and how Walt can make a bird fly into a window and kill itself when he's ****ed someone won't look at him. It was just supposed to be a reference to the Sci-Fi paranormal the writers like and is questionably apparent in our own reality.

how did the island time travel - more physics sh!t, and more electromagnet sh!t - Daniel explained it better than I can and it's over a few episodes in Season 5, also with lead-ons from Season 4 and some explanations from Pierre Chang (the Chinese dude's daddy).

what was widmore going to do with desmond - I can only assume exactly what Jack did, and instead of letting the Man in Black get off the Island if he killed everyone he'd get Desmond the pull the plug and destroy the Island with smokey still on it. This was a plan he made while he still though he might not die if he brought along mini-transportable pylons and that idea kinda went tits up for him.

why was desmond so special - another reference to the paranormal. They love the work of Stephen King (as do I) and you're supposed to accept that sometimes things happen that you can't explain.
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The best way to quench the unanswered questions is to read this quote (which was in reference to the numbers) without :dummy::

"There are some questions that are very engaging and interesting, and then there are other questions that we have no interest whatsoever in answering. We call it the midi-chlorian debate, because at a certain point, explaining something mystical demystifies it. To try and have a character come and say, "Here is what the numbers mean," actually makes every usage of the numbers up to that point less interesting. You can actually watch Star Wars now, and when Obi-Wan talks about the Force to Luke for the first time, it loses its luster because the Force has been explained as, sort of, little biological agents that are in your blood stream. So you go, "Oh, I liked Obi-Wan's version a lot better." Which in the case of our show is, "The numbers are bad luck, they keep popping up in Hurley's life, they appear on the island." ... But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six. "

-Damon Lindelof - May 2008

Any other questions can probably be answered by watching the series again or by looking at this: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
 
Well in fairness Pat, if you'd missed the last 4 seasons you'd have no chance of understanding any of it. It started out really well and in my oprinion was compulsive watching along with the best that TV can produce such as 'The Sopranos' and 'Rome'. I don't watch much TV at all - it takes a lot to get me hooked. I don't think it was over-hyped compared to most modern movies - in fact the degree of disappointment is usually proportional to the amount of hype these days.

I think I'Ill just read 'Wind In The Willows' again - you know where you stand with that - beginning/middle/end - fantastic! :cool:
 
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Gareth S gave this a good bash but I'll try to elaborate.





The best way to quench the unanswered questions is to read this quote (which was in reference to the numbers) without :dummy::

"There are some questions that are very engaging and interesting, and then there are other questions that we have no interest whatsoever in answering. We call it the midi-chlorian debate, because at a certain point, explaining something mystical demystifies it. To try and have a character come and say, "Here is what the numbers mean," actually makes every usage of the numbers up to that point less interesting. You can actually watch Star Wars now, and when Obi-Wan talks about the Force to Luke for the first time, it loses its luster because the Force has been explained as, sort of, little biological agents that are in your blood stream. So you go, "Oh, I liked Obi-Wan's version a lot better." Which in the case of our show is, "The numbers are bad luck, they keep popping up in Hurley's life, they appear on the island." ... But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six. "

-Damon Lindelof - May 2008

Any other questions can probably be answered by watching the series again or by looking at this: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
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as I said before, all of this is complete interpretation, none of it is fact or fully explained. Theres nothing wrong with an element of interpretation but when ALL of it is that way it just means the links are too weak
 
CT said:
Well in fairness Pat, if you'd missed the last 4 seasons you'd have no chance of understanding any of it. It started out really well and in my oprinion was compulsive watching along with the best that TV can produce such as 'The Sopranos' and 'Rome'. I don't watch much TV at all - it takes a lot to get me hooked. I don't think it was over-hyped compared to most modern movies - in fact the degree of disappointment is usually proportional to the amount of hype these days.

I think I'Ill just read 'Wind In The Willows' again - you know where you stand with that - beginning/middle/end - fantastic! :cool:
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as good as the acting and development of lost was you can't even compare it in quality to things like sopranos, Rome, band of brothers, or the pacific.

those seasons at least didn't just eff with you as a viewer and had superb proper endings
 
Why is it so important to have it all tied up and understood? I loved Lost (up until the last season, which was admittelfy dissapointing) because it was full of mystery and intrigue. If they'd laid every sinlge answe out on a plate there would be nothing left to discuss.

Do you really think they couldn't have told us everything if they'd wanted to? Of course they could cos they're making it up! They didn't because it leaves us fussing and arguing over it instead.

At the end of the day people are het up over it all because it did its job and dragged us into the world. Life isn't about getting answers to every question.
 
Joe, what is a proper ending? Life doesn't have endings.
 
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