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last nights on sky one is the latest for me, Ben and Locke episode..i SO love Lost at the moment, not a crap episode yet in this season
 
OK Just Checked. On the island.

Right it was a good episode, but WTF! ? Has me even more confused now :) I always thought Ben had a good solid knowledge of what Smokey is. He hasn't a clue! He knows it can judge, but thats about it.

And judging from the temple, it would appear that there is a strong Greek or Egyptian link. Anibus is clearly a big part of this island, and as he is the gatekeeper to an afterlife, its gone all spooky.

What's your take?

Gary.
 
Oh and we know Ben is close to creating "The Purge". I wonder if it's the presence of the Losties that makes him loose it. He is now having to follow Locke, do what Locke says. Perhaps Ben thinks if he kills the Losties (and the rest of the Dharma crowd)! Future Ben would need to orchestrate his plan to younger Ben though...
 
LOL. I love 'Lost' but it's getting so farpin complicated now I'm struggling to keep up. I do have niggling doubts that they can ever bring the story line to a conclusion that makes absolute sense and ties up all the loose ends - especially when they're making it up as they go along.
 
its all a little odd..Jim from neighbours was in it last night(cos thats he looked when he WAS jim from neighbours) but Richard Alpert doesnt ever age!
 
I watched 'The Sopranos' religiously - another great series, but it ended with a 'WTF' ending leaving you feeling a bit cheated somehow.
 
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I watched 'The Sopranos' religiously - another great series, but it ended with a 'WTF' ending leaving you feeling a bit cheated somehow.
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I remember "FADE TO BLACK" what was all that about
 
EdinburghGary said:
Oh and we know Ben is close to creating "The Purge". I wonder if it's the presence of the Losties that makes him loose it. He is now having to follow Locke, do what Locke says. Perhaps Ben thinks if he kills the Losties (and the rest of the Dharma crowd)! Future Ben would need to orchestrate his plan to younger Ben though...
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Sounds like your a little lost in the timeline, Ben and Locke are in the present so the purge has already happened.

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Or reading it again maybe not.
 
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matty said:
its all a little odd..Jim from neighbours was in it last night(cos thats he looked when he WAS jim from neighbours) but Richard Alpert doesnt ever age!
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Richard Alpert, whilst he cannot see the future, I suspect, is either Dead (like Locke), and has been granted life evermore until Smokey sees fit to send him on his merry way (heaven, hell, wherever...) OR... He is an Egyptian god of sorts, a Pharaoh maybe. One thing I am certain of, he does not age and has been around for I suspect hundreds or thousands of years.

Gary.
 
CT said:
LOL. I love 'Lost' but it's getting so farpin complicated now I'm struggling to keep up. I do have niggling doubts that they can ever bring the story line to a conclusion that makes absolute sense and ties up all the loose ends - especially when they're making it up as they go along.
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I thought they had the conclusion from the start? I remember reading that they insisted on an end date with ABC, and apparently the actor that plays Jack, Matthew Fox, has known the entire story from day 1...

Awful complicated show to just make up :D Maybe they are though, who knows.

Gary.
 
just watching the series is confusing and seeing theories here isn't helping me :lol:

Watching Lost is a household event here. Anyone talking during gets shouted at - not by me though.
 
yeah me too, i might actually buy it on Bluray and enjoy at leasure now and again though. Richard went and saw locke when he was a child but didnt know him when he saw him as old locke in the past, but did know him later on...very odd
 
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Not sure I'd go quite that far.

I'm struggling with how Ben can be in the present as both adult & kid.
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hes not, hes in the present, the kiddy him is in the past...
 
Ah yes, I get it now. Still confusing at times! Last weeks does make it a little clearer.
 
Anyone here got a handle on how the time travel actually works? Are they moving back to their past? And if so, could they in theory see themselves when younger? Could old John Locke see a young John Locke?

And if so, why can't they change things?

Also, what happens when they have a "time flash", do the people around them simply see that individual disappear? Locke had one in front of Richard Alert I think (at the time the the Compass was handed over). Did Richard see him disappear and then later comment on it? (When John gave him the compass)...

All very confusing.

Gary.
 
EdinburghGary said:
I thought they had the conclusion from the start? I remember reading that they insisted on an end date with ABC, and apparently the actor that plays Jack, Matthew Fox, has known the entire story from day 1...

Awful complicated show to just make up :D Maybe they are though, who knows.

Gary.
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I lost the plot a couple of seasons ago, but my understanding was that they had planned for 3 seasons and knew how it would evolve and ultimately end, but it was so successful in the first year that they were told they had to make it 5 seasons, which resulted in the writers padding out the series complicating things.
 
EdinburghGary said:
Anyone here got a handle on how the time travel actually works? Are they moving back to their past? And if so, could they in theory see themselves when younger? Could old John Locke see a young John Locke?

And if so, why can't they change things?

Also, what happens when they have a "time flash", do the people around them simply see that individual disappear? Locke had one in front of Richard Alert I think (at the time the the Compass was handed over). Did Richard see him disappear and then later comment on it? (When John gave him the compass)...

All very confusing.

Gary.
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Your head is going to explode soon if you don't stop thinking about it!!!
 
On a a slight Lost tangent...

The show was initially(and still to some extent) spurned due to its z-list cast, with the only vaguely established actor being the annoying hobbit from LOTR.

Not so, and I'm surprised at where I'm now seeing the cast retrospectively pop up.

For instance:

Locke - X-Files film, 1997ish
Ethan - Minority Report, 2002
Sayid - English Patient,1997, among others.
Witmore - Neighbours, 1984 (obviously!)
Linus - Saw, 2004


Any others?
 
Season 5 - Episodes 16 and 17 are "The Incident" - 2 hour season finale.


AND WOW! What a great episode! woohoo :)
 
Merovingian said:
On a a slight Lost tangent...

The show was initially(and still to some extent) spurned due to its z-list cast, with the only vaguely established actor being the annoying hobbit from LOTR.

Not so, and I'm surprised at where I'm now seeing the cast retrospectively pop up.

For instance:

Locke - X-Files film, 1997ish
Ethan - Minority Report, 2002
Sayid - English Patient,1997, among others.
Witmore - Neighbours, 1984 (obviously!)
Linus - Saw, 2004


Any others?
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I was just finding a few more and managed to delete the post before posting it.:bang:
Here's a few more anyway.

Locke's girlfriend Helen was in sitcome 8 Simple Rules ...... and is also Leela's voice in Futurama
Frank the pliot - Jeff Fahey The Lawnmower Man
Ana-Lucia Cortez - The Fast and The Furious
Mr. Eko - The Mummy Returns, The Bourne Identity
Naomi Dorrit - The Haunted Mansion, "Playing the Field" (UK TV Series about womens football team).
Claire Littlejohn - Roswell

Did anyone notice a few episodes ago where Kate visits Sawyer and he gives her a can of Dharma beer. The ring pull was the modern type that folds flat after opening, not the sort that would have detatched back in the seventies. :nono:
 
Yeah, Cortez I recognise now, and I've definitely seen Mr Eko in stuff. In fact, I keep recognising him now in some quite old programs.
Aye, think I've noticed some other continuity errors too.
 
Merovingian said:
Yeah, Cortez I recognise now, and I've definitely seen Mr Eko in stuff. In fact, I keep recognising him now in some quite old programs.
Aye, think I've noticed some other continuity errors too.
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Another one,
Rousseau was in sci fi series Babylon 5.
 
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My thoughts on the mind blowing season finale of LOST, writing this whilst listening to "Make your own kind of music", Mama Cass :) Yes I am officially sad and proud.

So, clearly, we have two entities at war with one another. The biggest question seems to be, WHO or WHAT are they? We can safely say that both are extremely powerful...and both are desperate to prove one another wrong. Whoever is proven right, I suspect, will "win the war". The prize? The end of mankind unless Jacob is proven right.

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Touched LOCKE after the fall, appeared to "breath life back into him". He interacted with most of the main LOSTIES in some spectacular ways (Sayed's wife and the car was insane). He clearly had foreknowledge, OR could cause these events to happen, to aid in his endgame, which I believe is the protection of humanity.

JACOB'S NEMESIS:
This has GOT to be the Smoke Monster. It is also the guy who has been PRETENDING to be Jacob for god knows how long. He duped LOCKE 100% into his death, and he has been playing BEN like a fool too, almost conditioning him to carry out the eventual murder of JACOB. He can take on the appearance of dead people, and has done throughout the show, in order to manipulate someone, and as it transpired, Ben, to kill JACOB. I should also add, I think JACOB can also manipulate his own form to represent the look of others. I believe it is he, who has been talking to Hurley as his dead friends, back in the real world.

So where does the revelation of Jacob and his foe leave us? Well, it answers a hell of a lot for starters. Everything that has happened on the island, which you failed to explain in the past, can now be put down to the manipulation of two extremely important, and powerful individuals. Hurley's numbers for example, I presume, will have been given to him, via Jacob, and I suspect we may see this in Hurley's final flash back episode. Any question which has left you puzzled, and thinking "WTF?" can now be attributed to these two, either directly or indirectly.

As I said in the opening here, it only leaves me with a few questions. Who or what are they? Why is the survival of man kind or, the destruction, actually important to them? And what does Jacob need to prove? His nemesis said in the opening conversation, something along the lines of "They come, they fight. they corrupt, and they destroy - how it always ends"...Jacob replied, roughly "It only ends once, everything before is just progress".

I suspect what we will see next season, is some more flashbacks which show how Jacob got the rest of the gang to the island, and also some flashbacks to the origins of the two enemies. We will also see a war on the island, which I believe will result in a human, not sure who (have a theory below), making the ultimate sacrifice for the greater good. He will forgo his or her own life, to simply save his friends and his race of people. It will be an emotional roller-coaster, and this sacrifice will show exactly why humanity should be saved, it will show the true power of love, hope, and a willingness to sacrifice all you have, your life included, to the benefits of others. This will be how Jacob's point is proven, and it will I predict, be enough to save the world.

Who will the sacrificial lamb to the slaughter be? Well, in this latest episode, the pilot was put forward as "A potential candidate" by "the good guys". They believe he has what it takes to prove the good of humanity. For that to work, we will need a lot more of an emotional connection with the character, and as a result we can expect to see a lot more of him. I doubt though, they will go down that route. I think one of our most loved and selfless of individuals will be the one who is sacrificed. Desmond, Hurley or perhaps Sawyer or Jack. Hurley would be perfect for a tear jerking, and absolutely shocking end - he is a cuddly barrel of fun, and is the purest of the pure - he seems like he could not hurt a fly.

One last thing I want to touch on, why now. Why these guys want to war over the fate of humanity. I suspect it's because of DHARMA, and the potential shock-waves of the rapid growth in technology which will be made available as a result of the time travel discovery. This "pocket of energy" threatens to allow humanity to progress technologically at an alarming rate, one of which might have "other civilizations" asking, "Are these guys ready to join the club?". If that is the case, then these two guys represent two distant words, one of which wants earth to be destroyed, and one which wants to protect. They could in theory be from the same planet, just governing different viewpoints, but the need for the man in black to kill Jacob, suggests to me, they could be from two very different, but very powerful civilizations.

The other theory, hinted at with all the names etc - religion. This is God and the Anti Christ for example. I doubt it though, I think the producers are firmly in the "sci-fi" sphere. Not that it matters, aliens with the kind of power to wipe out your planet are ultimately gods in many ways.

Sorry for the mega rant!!! I absolutely LOVE this program :)

What do you reckon?

Gary.

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Or use the [spoiler][/spoiler] tags :D

Actually that post does seem to make alot of sense I think.
Just one question, who says it's about the end of mankind?
 
Marcel said:
Or use the [spoiler][/spoiler] tags :D

Actually that post does seem to make alot of sense I think.
Just one question, who says it's about the end of mankind?
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Well, we have heard throughout the show, several references, some of them smaller than others. Eloise Hawkins for one, said when asked what would happen if ALL 6 failed to return to the island, she said "God help us all", or words to that effect. Also, throw into the act, a black hole style electromagnetic field, which if not contained, would consume the planet.

Perhaps that pocket of energy is something that the "aliens" had implanted, as a "trigger" to destroy the planet, *should they need to* (War of the worlds did something similar, planted machines in the core, way before humans were on the planet). Now, the debate which rages on, are humans too much of a risk? The man in the black shirt I think, is not a merciless killer. He, as the smoke monster, has shown people WHY he thinks they should die (Eko). He justified his kills. Now, he would have also killed Ben I feel, *BUT* he needed him to take Jacob out.

If this guy in the black shirt WAS a ruthless and merciless killer, then everyone would already be dead. Smokey would have went bananas. He is the ULTIMATE judgment machine, and will dish out the punishment if he see's fit. His argument is, as a race, humanity is destructive and should be judged as one (he already believes Jacob will fail to prove his point, and I guess he wants to kill him to allow the destruction of mankind to proceed - Jacob is a protector). Jacob, obviously wants to prove him wrong, and show the other side of the coin. If he can prove that overall, humanity is not a race to fear, or a race which does nothing but destroy, then Smokey will using his own "judgment rules", will have to allow humanity to survive. Again, taken right from War of the Worlds, but instead, two "aliens" instead of the one, who eventually changes his own mind.

This is a little wishy washy, but overall, to me, it's clearly what is happening :D

There will be hundreds of other theories which people are convinced by.

Gary.
 
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RobertP said:
I reckon you take things far too seriously :)

Lost is designed to keep you confused - I just accept that.
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Well,

My wife is clueless and left frustrated. People have stopped watching in huge numbers as a result of not being able to work it out. I think what keeps me going back, is this puzzle that is being laid out to us, and the possibility that we might just suss it out :D

I think it is a very unique show, and a show which demands us to search for the answers.

Gary.
 
Will we get an answer to the fickin' polar bears - that's what's worrying me! :D
 
@EdinburghGary - your theory does seem to be the popular one going round at the moment. Ive checked out a few forums and people are all coming up with similar ideas between "a war between gods" ...etc


EdinburghGary said:
Anyone here got a handle on how the time travel actually works? Are they moving back to their past? And if so, could they in theory see themselves when younger? Could old John Locke see a young John Locke
Gary.
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Technically yes, as we have already seen that Myles has seen himself as a child back in 1977 ;)

CT said:
Will we get an answer to the fickin' polar bears - that's what's worrying me! :D
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I believe i read somewhere that they brough polar bears to the island to see if they could train them to live in conditions they were not used to. (freezing cold to tropical climate)...i may be wrong ***?
 
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How about religion. God / The devil. Could be?
 
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