Lorries......can anyone explain this to me......

I have just spent approx 7 hours driving along M4,M25,M26 and M20.........wife counted the following........ 23 lorries overtaking other lorries and causing trail backs....one of which we measured at 3.2 miles (sad I know but it was fun logging it all)........14 buses causing overtaking and causing tailbacks...........11 caravans/motor homes hogging the middle lane..........63 under takers (not the burial kind) 20 of which done so because of slower traffic in the middle and acceleration lanes........and not to mention the numerous arseholes, who just don't give a f*** and shouldn't have a licence........it is now beer o'clock........and this experiment has been brought to you by Mr and Mrs Archangel........enjoy your weekend (y)

And welcome to Kent :-)
 
It's funny isn't it. I wish I had something as unimportant as one truck overtaking another truck to worry about!
 
Simple idea to keep truckers away from us (especially the idiot who thought it was good to sit 2 feet off my bumper while doing 50)... offer the haulage companies massive tax breaks to not use trucks at peak time - get them using the roads at night will cut congestion massively, something like free road tax and other benefits if 90% of use is between say 8pm and 6am?
 
It's funny isn't it. I wish I had something as unimportant as one truck overtaking another truck to worry about!

I'm sure we all have other things to worry about, but if this thread did not exist, would that make them go away, hmm? :-)
 
Simple idea to keep truckers away from us (especially the idiot who thought it was good to sit 2 feet off my bumper while doing 50)... offer the haulage companies massive tax breaks to not use trucks at peak time - get them using the roads at night will cut congestion massively, something like free road tax and other benefits if 90% of use is between say 8pm and 6am?
That would just mean the roads will be clogged up with lorries or my way to work on early shift and same again on my way home on late shift. As it stands I don't see that many on my commute to and from work.
 
Yes, alot of UK hauliers run night trunkers, but the majority of your Jonnie foreigners are tucked up I their cabs on any spare piece of ground they can find, only to set off again around breakfast time...down here anyway.
 
It is fair to say, with the price of DERV, that pretty much any UK haulier would rather run at night than during the day. Unfortunately, the majority of destinations do not open at night. Be that Joe Bloggs furniture emporium ,Khans gourmet wholesale foods or Tricky Trevs electric store.

Granted the big RDCs do and these are serviced heavily during the quieter hours. It is impractical to have all deliveries done during the evening/night.
 
I have just spent approx 7 hours driving along M4,M25,M26 and M20.........wife counted the following........ 23 lorries overtaking other lorries and causing trail backs....one of which we measured at 3.2 miles (sad I know but it was fun logging it all)........14 buses causing overtaking and causing tailbacks...........11 caravans/motor homes hogging the middle lane..........63 under takers (not the burial kind) 20 of which done so because of slower traffic in the middle and acceleration lanes........and not to mention the numerous arseholes, who just don't give a f*** and shouldn't have a licence........it is now beer o'clock........and this experiment has been brought to you by Mr and Mrs Archangel........enjoy your weekend (y)

I would say, "you need to get out more" ... but you'd only take the car and add to all the other congestion!! :p
 
Spotted on the back of a van today written in dust. No tools left in this vehicle overnight. The only tools in the vehicle are the two idiots up front ! - LMAO
 
When travelling along the motorway I notice that on some occasions a lorry will indicate to pass another lorry in front. It then takes then about 3 miles to complete the manoeuvre, all they succeeded in doing was hold up 2 lanes of traffic and gain one place but not being able to put any distance between them and the lorry they over took....which will probably indicate to overtake a couple of miles down the road

Any ideas why they insist on caring out this pointless action.....

Ps this is not a rant/compliant as it usually doesn't affect me....it just intrigues me

They may have "gained one place", but spread that over a 250 mile journey and a lorry driver can gain a good number of miles over what they would achieve if they were to remain behind a slightly slower lorry.

Now, consider this. In any 24 hour period a lorry driver, by law, can only drive for an accumulative period of 4 1/2 hours before requiring a 45 minute break, and then have another 4 1/2 hours driving. A digital recording is made on an inserted tachograph card which contains the driver's personal details - this is downloaded usually weekly. A lot of drivers are maxed out in terms of these legal hours. So in relation to this 'maxed out' tendency, consider the following scenario.

A driver goes from one place to another, and this journey is recorded at 4 hours 29 minutes (this does happen). He has his mandatory 45 minute break. He has a fresh 4 1/2 hours to make his return journey, knowing it'll take 4 hours 29. There is a tiny margin to account for hold-ups. He cannot afford to go any slower than the 56 mph his vehicle is limited to. What other option has he got than to max out his speed on the return journey?

This is one reason why lorry driver spend 3 miles overtaking. His journey is not just that 3 miles - it may be an additional 247 miles. If he traveled at 55 mph instead of the 56 that his vehicle is limited to, he would not touch base within the legal 4 1/2 hours. All tachograph records are analysed, and the courts are particularly harsh for infringements.

Add to this the natural human tendency to acquire as many resources for as little work as possible, and psychologically, driving a lorry at a slower pace than it can actually go translates as "unproductive" and "un-progessive", regardless of how irrational that sounds. Whoever said humans are always rational? It could be asked "what do motorists gain by tailgating?", "why do motorists jump red lights?" and "why do motorists speed?" - the answer: because people are operating from a place from which they like to 'progress', no matter how small a gain they make - lorry drivers included. Not to mention the power of the capitalist paradigm in which we all live whereby workers are valued by how fast they go, and how much they produce, as opposed to the quality of their work.

Against an evolutionary principle of 'the early bird always catches the worm', and the capitalist backdrop which privileges winners, is it any wonder the psychological state of most lorry drivers is one which creates dissonance at not reaching their absolute maximum potential? - like any driver of any vehicle? No person is an island, and no person is divorced from the cultural context they inhabit.

The next time you are driving and a situation arises in which you have to consciously repress your maximum potential for a prolonged period of time, and also your desires to 'get ahead', think about how psychologically difficult it is to actually do so, and you may then become enlightened in relation to your own question.
 
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They may have "gained one place", but spread that over a 250 mile journey and a lorry driver can gain a good number of miles over what they would achieve if they were to remain behind a slightly slower lorry.

Now, consider this. In any 24 hour period a lorry driver, by law, can only drive for an accumulative period of 4 1/2 hours before requiring a 45 minute break, and then have another 4 1/2 hours driving. A digital recording is made on an inserted tachograph card which contains the driver's personal details - this is downloaded usually weekly. A lot of drivers are maxed out in terms of these legal hours. So in relation to this 'maxed out' tendency, consider the following scenario.

A driver goes from one place to another, and this journey is recorded at 4 hours 29 minutes (this does happen). He has his mandatory 45 minute break. He has a fresh 4 1/2 hours to make his return journey, knowing it'll take 4 hours 29. There is a tiny margin to account for hold-ups. He cannot afford to go any slower than the 56 mph his vehicle is limited to. What other option has he got than to max out his speed on the return journey?

This is one reason why lorry driver spend 3 miles overtaking. His journey is not just that 3 miles - it may be an additional 247 miles. If he traveled at 55 mph instead of the 56 that his vehicle is limited to, he would not touch base within the legal 4 1/2 hours. All tachograph records are analysed, and the courts are particularly harsh for infringements.

Add to this the natural human tendency to acquire as many resources for as little work as possible, and psychologically, driving a lorry at a slower pace than it can actually go translates as "unproductive" and "un-progessive", regardless of how irrational that sounds. Whoever said humans are always rational? It could be asked "what do motorists gain by tailgating?", "why do motorists jump red lights?" and "why do motorists speed?" - the answer: because people are operating from a place from which they like to 'progress', no matter how small a gain they make - lorry drivers included. Not to mention the power of the capitalist paradigm in which we all live whereby workers are valued by how fast they go, and how much they produce, as opposed to the quality of their work.

Against an evolutionary principle of 'the early bird always catches the worm', and the capitalist backdrop which privileges winners, is it any wonder the psychological state of most lorry drivers is one which creates dissonance at not reaching their absolute maximum potential? - like any driver of any vehicle? No person is an island, and no person is divorced from the cultural context they inhabit.

The next time you are driving and a situation arises in which you have to consciously repress your maximum potential for a prolonged period of time, and also your desires to 'get ahead', think about how psychologically difficult it is to actually do so, and you may then become enlightened in relation to your own question.

Fair one, but it doesn't change anything as far as I'm convened. Next time I'm stuck behind one I'm still going to be hacked off if it slows me down, especially if it pulls out without indicating ! It should be illegal for for HGVs to overtake HGVs on a dual carriage way.
 
It should be illegal for for HGVs to overtake HGVs on a dual carriage way.

So if one is crawling along at 45, you can't overtake it?

Spotted on the back of a van today written in dust. No tools left in this vehicle overnight. The only tools in the vehicle are the two idiots up front ! - LMAO

My favourite sticker so far "No sandwiches are left in this van overnight".


Steve.
 
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So if one is crawling along at 45, you can't overtake it?



My favourite sticker so far "No sandwiches are left in this van overnight".


Steve.

Not if it's going to impede on lane 2 ! HGVs lane 1 only. There is a stretch in North Yorkshire up a steep incline that does not allow HGVs to overtake. Should be rolled out across the country IMO.
 
Fair one, but it doesn't change anything as far as I'm convened. Next time I'm stuck behind one I'm still going to be hacked off if it slows me down, especially if it pulls out without indicating ! It should be illegal for for HGVs to overtake HGVs on a dual carriage way.
In Scotland that means they can overtake on the M8 as it passes through Glasgow city centre, and.....that's about it!

We all apparently want stuff delivered next day, every season's food on supermarket shelves, whatever the season - to me the lorries on the road (and the resulting pressures fro them as Noc so well describes) are just an inevitable facet of that. We also need to consider how the lorry driver will feel alongside how we will feel (how we feel is 100% our own choice) - all being forced to follow behind the slowest lorry on the road, more enforced breaks and longer journey times (higher costs and prices for us).

The lorries used to annoy me, but I realised that's my choice (whether to get annoyed), and they're on the road at my request - I just need to accept or work around that I think.
 
They may have "gained one place", but .....
The next time you are driving and a situation arises in which you have to consciously repress your maximum potential for a prolonged period of time, and also your desires to 'get ahead', think about how psychologically difficult it is to actually do so, and you may then become enlightened in relation to your own question.

Great post and welcome - I read your post in the introduction forum too - but I have to ask; are you taking this psychology of overtaking thing too seriously? Did you choose the username Noc to push immediately in front of Nod who's a member here with nearly 12,000 posts? :p :LOL:
 
Great post and welcome - I read your post in the introduction forum too - but I have to ask; are you taking this psychology of overtaking thing too seriously? Did you choose the username Noc to push immediately in front of Nod who's a member here with nearly 12,000 posts? :p :LOL:

Ha ha, well the next one to push in front of me would be Nob. So unless somebody would be so foolish, I win!
 
They may have "gained one place", but spread that over a 250 mile journey and a lorry driver can gain a good number of miles over what they would achieve if they were to remain behind a slightly slower lorry.

Now, consider this. In any 24 hour period a lorry driver, by law, can only drive for an accumulative period of 4 1/2 hours before requiring a 45 minute break, and then have another 4 1/2 hours driving. A digital recording is made on an inserted tachograph card which contains the driver's personal details - this is downloaded usually weekly. A lot of drivers are maxed out in terms of these legal hours. So in relation to this 'maxed out' tendency, consider the following scenario.

A driver goes from one place to another, and this journey is recorded at 4 hours 29 minutes (this does happen). He has his mandatory 45 minute break. He has a fresh 4 1/2 hours to make his return journey, knowing it'll take 4 hours 29. There is a tiny margin to account for hold-ups. He cannot afford to go any slower than the 56 mph his vehicle is limited to. What other option has he got than to max out his speed on the return journey?

This is one reason why lorry driver spend 3 miles overtaking. His journey is not just that 3 miles - it may be an additional 247 miles. If he traveled at 55 mph instead of the 56 that his vehicle is limited to, he would not touch base within the legal 4 1/2 hours. All tachograph records are analysed, and the courts are particularly harsh for infringements.

Add to this the natural human tendency to acquire as many resources for as little work as possible, and psychologically, driving a lorry at a slower pace than it can actually go translates as "unproductive" and "un-progessive", regardless of how irrational that sounds. Whoever said humans are always rational? It could be asked "what do motorists gain by tailgating?", "why do motorists jump red lights?" and "why do motorists speed?" - the answer: because people are operating from a place from which they like to 'progress', no matter how small a gain they make - lorry drivers included. Not to mention the power of the capitalist paradigm in which we all live whereby workers are valued by how fast they go, and how much they produce, as opposed to the quality of their work.

Against an evolutionary principle of 'the early bird always catches the worm', and the capitalist backdrop which privileges winners, is it any wonder the psychological state of most lorry drivers is one which creates dissonance at not reaching their absolute maximum potential? - like any driver of any vehicle? No person is an island, and no person is divorced from the cultural context they inhabit.

The next time you are driving and a situation arises in which you have to consciously repress your maximum potential for a prolonged period of time, and also your desires to 'get ahead', think about how psychologically difficult it is to actually do so, and you may then become enlightened in relation to your own question.

Now consider the huge volume - especially in the south east - of foreign plate trucks, a great deal of which are fitted with no tacho equipment at all.
Where would they fit into the equasion?
 
Like most things in life there are two sides to most situations.
I'm sure many a trucker could show grievance towards others on the road because of their actions.
Coming from a family where my old man was a trucker all his life and having rode shotgun with him on many occasions, those around about on the roads are neither saints either.

I used to love his commentary drives ( a skill in itself) he would be aware of things i couldnt even see.
I have the utmost admiration for most of them.
 
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Now consider the huge volume - especially in the south east - of foreign plate trucks, a great deal of which are fitted with no tacho equipment at all.
And if there is, then a lot of them employ a "ghost rider" ;)
Its been happening for years. :(
I used to love his commentary drives ( a skill in itself) he would be aware of things i couldnt even see.
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Ah yes the first sign of madness. I bet he used to do that, even when you weren't there. ;)
I Know I did, especially on night trunks when there was b****r all on the radio :D
 
Now consider the huge volume - especially in the south east - of foreign plate trucks, a great deal of which are fitted with no tacho equipment at all.
Where would they fit into the equasion?

If they're from EU countries (which there is a 99.99999% chance they are) then they will certainly be fitted with tachograph machines. Tachograph legislation is standardised across Europe, and all lorry manufacturers have been fitting tachograph machines to their lorries for 30 odd years at least.
 
@Noc If you say so.
But the vast majority that I deal with on a daily basis in my work (Both EU and non EU) are either not fitted with tacho equipment, or it is disabled.
 
Great post and welcome - I read your post in the introduction forum too - but I have to ask; are you taking this psychology of overtaking thing too seriously? Did you choose the username Noc to push immediately in front of Nod who's a member here with nearly 12,000 posts? :p :LOL:


Ha ha, well the next one to push in front of me would be Nob. So unless somebody would be so foolish, I win!

Completely OT!

My niece started calling me Nob when she was quite small and was encouraged to do so by my halfwitted sister. When I dropped the C off the front of the niece's name, sister got quite irate but the niece (Charlotte) soon started calling me Nod again.
 
Can we add white vans and BMW Z4 convertibles to the list :banghead:
Driving out today I had a white van driving in the outside lane of a dual carriageway @40mph
because he wanted to turn right 2 roundabouts and about 5 miles on.
On the way back home I had a BMW Z4 convertible doing the same, except they never turned right
lost them when I turned left after 10 miles, and you wonder why people are tempted to undertake :banghead:
 
3 out of my last 4 journeys to/from work

Friday am - Pulled over on a roundabout to let an ambulance go by, as did the van behind me. Ambulance goes by so I go to pull out. Van pulls out behind ambulance and cuts me off, forcing me to swerve!

Friday pm - Approaching busy traffic light controlled junction where road splits into 3 lanes. Car in front goes into middle lane, I go into right hand lane (queue is shorter so I go to go past him). Car in front changes mind (no indication) and goes to move back to the right forcing me to swerve!

Monday am - Approaching traffic lights, I move into left hand lane (where bus lane ends), indicating before I do so. BMW 4x4 towing a flat trailer with an MPV on it in front decides to also move into the left hand lane as I'm going past (no indication or extending wing mirrors for that matter) forcing me to swerve!


So it is patently obvious, if it's a car/bike/4x4/van/lorry, there's every chance there may be an a******e in/on it!
 
So it is patently obvious, if it's a car/bike/4x4/van/lorry, there's every chance there may be an a******e in/on it!
OI, I drive a 4x4, watcha saying?

PS..........Leeds were superb at the weekend.
 
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