Lorries......can anyone explain this to me......

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When travelling along the motorway I notice that on some occasions a lorry will indicate to pass another lorry in front. It then takes then about 3 miles to complete the manoeuvre, all they succeeded in doing was hold up 2 lanes of traffic and gain one place but not being able to put any distance between them and the lorry they over took....which will probably indicate to overtake a couple of miles down the road

Any ideas why they insist on caring out this pointless action.....

Ps this is not a rant/compliant as it usually doesn't affect me....it just intrigues me
 
Because, like taxi drivers they think they own the road but are a bunch of ignorant prats.
 
..............and not to forget the scone hunters that drive around country roads at 20mph.:rage::rage::rage::rage:
 
BRASH said:
Because, like taxi drivers they think they own the road but are a bunch of ignorant prats.
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Talking of taxi drivers I encounters the world worse one today.....a complete dick....
 
A bit like cyclist who like riding two abreast, maybe wagons are so heavy it takes so long to overtake.
 
BRASH said:
..............and not to forget the scone hunters that drive around country roads at 20mph.:rage::rage::rage::rage:
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Plenty of them hogging the middle lane on the west bound M4 this evening
 
jonbeeza said:
A bit like cyclist who like riding two abreast, maybe wagons are so heavy it takes so long to overtake.
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But why overtake in the first place...all they gain is a lorry length....it's not as if they complete the overtake and ride into the sunset....
 
archangel said:
When travelling along the motorway I notice that on some occasions a lorry will indicate to pass another lorry in front. It then takes then about 3 miles to complete the manoeuvre, all they succeeded in doing was hold up 2 lanes of traffic and gain one place but not being able to put any distance between them and the lorry they over took....which will probably indicate to overtake a couple of miles down the road

Any ideas why they insist on caring out this pointless action.....

Ps this is not a rant/compliant as it usually doesn't affect me....it just intrigues me
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Yes.

Some lorry drivers do this because they are dumb and lazy. Most lorries now have cruise control ,automatic gearboxes and like car drivers, they have become automated muppets rather than drivers. All lorries should,legally be governed to 56 mph. Not many are set at dead on the same speed, that is why you get some lorry drivers taking 3 miles to overtake another one, because they are too stupid to just ease off the gas a tad or wait . It is particularly stupid on two lane motorways and dual carriageways,the A14 for example.

Before any irate lorry drivers retaliate, I have had a class 1 for 27 years.
 
archangel said:
But why overtake in the first place...all they gain is a lorry length....it's not as if they complete the overtake and ride into the sunset....
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I would love to know the answer then I could tell you, maybe it's because the wagons have speed limiters fitted, and possibly the drivers want to speed up to overtake, but the wagons are unwilling!
 
they take so long to get past because they ( mostly ) have speed limiters ,and might only be able to go one or two mph quicker than the one they come up behind ,,,but because it takes so long to get past ,the trucks might come to a slight up gradient ,,,and if the one overtaking is a lot heavier its speed drops ,,,until they hit another flat stretch then it starts to gain and overtake again ,,,might not sound like a lot of extra speed or distance gain ,but over the course of nine hours driving it makes a difference ,,,,
 
Just wondering why wagons love driving very close behind another wagon, I wonder if it's to take advantage of the slip stream ?
 
Yes they can be super annoying. I think they are trying to have some fun in very poor and inconsiderate way while driving long distances... But thank God (or the government in this instance) we don't have speeding maniac American lorries or road trains / rigs as they are called over there.

However, consider some asshole drivers of big luxury barges, particularly slightly aged models. Like '04 reg big black S-Class merc, totally dangerous on roundabouts, taking up 2 lanes on motorway, complete hog, and then tried to crash into me as he was finally overtaken.
 
Bring freight back to the railways! Nothing more ridiculous than the unending wall of lorries blocking entry and exit to the motorway for the rest of us and then clogging the middle lane up for hours doing the above overtakes....
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
Bring freight back to the railways! Nothing more ridiculous than the unending wall of lorries blocking entry and exit to the motorway for the rest of us and then clogging the middle lane up for hours doing the above overtakes....
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It's the stupid price of railways, isn't it?
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
Bring freight back to the railways! Nothing more ridiculous than the unending wall of lorries blocking entry and exit to the motorway for the rest of us and then clogging the middle lane up for hours doing the above overtakes....
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...and given many smaller branch lines closed in the 60's and beyond, how do you propose that freight gets from the closest rail depot to it's actual destination? Oh yes, like much air cargo I guess, in lorries and it can be some considerable distance from a freight yard to a factory or warehouse. Who would make the investment in those freight yards to accomomdate all the extra freight? The rail companies I guess, making it even more expensive to recoup that investment... so great in principal but not totally practical and I am sure all those lorry drivers and transport companies would say that if more car drivers used the existing railways, there would be more room for everyone ;)
 
lighter branch lines now closed served areas that don't have motorways. Everywhere the motorway network goes, the rail network goes too. And rail is far more efficient at shifting stuff in bulk than lorries.
 
I take more exception to morons in cars clogging up lanes 2 and 3.

Alan Clogwyn said:
Bring freight back to the railways! Nothing more ridiculous than the unending wall of lorries blocking entry and exit to the motorway for the rest of us and then clogging the middle lane up for hours doing the above overtakes....
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You know when you join a motorway the existing traffic has right of way? ;)
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
lighter branch lines now closed served areas that don't have motorways. Everywhere the motorway network goes, the rail network goes too. And rail is far more efficient at shifting stuff in bulk than lorries.
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So essentially you're saying no motorway no goods?

You're still going to need trucks to ship from the hub to its destination. Much like now in fact .
 
neil_g said:
So essentially you're saying no motorway no goods?

You're still going to need trucks to ship from the hub to its destination. Much like now in fact .
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Not necessarily. Even if that was the case, the main lorry traffic is bulk delivery between hubs, that's what needs the big trucks, would have been removed. Nothing stopping many interdepot shimpnets going by rail either.

For example, AF Blakemore based in Willenhall serve all the spar stores in Wales, the Midlands and the South East. At the minute that means a whole load of stuff coming across the channel in a wagon, going up to willenhall on the motorway, to come back down to London on the motorway. Suppose it was all loaded into a single container at a depot in France. That container then goes to Willenhall by rail. That's one lorry trip disposed of, even if it went back down to London in a lorry.

The motorways were built at a time when rail freight receipts still out stripped passenger, and at a time when the railways were at their worst managed. It's all to easy to jump in a car/bus/truck and drive off whenver the hell you want rather than apply a bit of thinking ahead and do it far more efficiently.
 
Elephant racing is pretty annoying. The Highways Agency should just ban it completely.
 
So what about large deliveries to supermarkets, they'll still need a artic.

If rail was feasible and/or cost affective then it would be done. Even if just for the profit margin.
 
One thing that really flashes me up is all these morons that insist on doing 40mph in a 50mph speed camera controlled restriction - 40 mph ! What's all that about !!!
 
Blank_Canvas said:
One thing that really flashes me up is all these morons that insist on doing 40mph in a 50mph speed camera controlled restriction - 40 mph ! What's all that about !!!
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....and the ones who don't have a clue what the speed limit is when they see the camera and go from 80 to 45 in a 70! :rolleyes:



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Alan Clogwyn said:
lighter branch lines now closed served areas that don't have motorways. Everywhere the motorway network goes, the rail network goes too. And rail is far more efficient at shifting stuff in bulk than lorries.
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And three times the cost and twice the transit time.
And what about freight to and from eastern europe, the middle east and North Africa? You think the rail network could deal with that at a competitive rate?
 
You can be sure that the current method is the most competitive.


Steve.
 
jonbeeza said:
Just wondering why wagons love driving very close behind another wagon, I wonder if it's to take advantage of the slip stream ?
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Same reason some car drivers do the same at 90 mph in lane 3.
 
And before the railways there was the canals. Many of them could still carry freight today.
 
whilst we digress slighty those who bomb along and see the average speed camera and thinking braking will save them (a la Gatso style!))
 
It never ceases to amaze me how people seem to hate HGVs despite the fact that without them life would be very different.
We don't have a national Rail Freight system or any other efficient means to move stuff about and I very much doubt anyone is going to
invest in one.
If they did you would still all be moaning when you couldn't have your chosen food because the wrong type of snow/leaves on the line
bought it all to a standstill
 
Gremlin said:
It never ceases to amaze me how people seem to hate HGVs despite the fact that without them life would be very different.
We don't have a national Rail Freight system or any other efficient means to move stuff about and I very much doubt anyone is going to
invest in one.
If they did you would still all be moaning when you couldn't have your chosen food because the wrong type of snow/leaves on the line
bought it all to a standstill
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I, for one don't hate them, but it does amaze me that these professional act like learners:eek:
 
They're going to overtake, it's inevitable due to the inconsistency with the speed limiters and weight of cargo. You would think though, that once a lorry starts the overtaking manoeuvre, the one being overtook would back off a little to make the process quicker, or is that too easy :thinking:


And don't get me started on 3.5t vans that sit behind me at 70mph on a dual carriageway waiting to pass, when they're only supposed to be doing 60mph :mad:

jonbeeza said:
A bit like cyclist who like riding two abreast
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Most of them like to take up the whole lane, I followed a group of around 12 of them and they had the whole lane blocked :mad:
 
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