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I normally only use the dpp canon software for any pp i do but am looking at lightroom or photoshop what advice would you give on each as a recomendation please?
 
Ideally you need both to properly edit images to completion IMHO ....

If you haven't the latest camera whose raw files NEED the latest versions I would recommend LR3 and CS5 which you can probably get secondhand

Be prepared to have to put some work in mastering both - but your results will benefit
 
spxxxx said:
Ideally you need both to properly edit images to completion IMHO ....

If you haven't the latest camera whose raw files NEED the latest versions I would recommend LR3 and CS5 which you can probably get secondhand

Be prepared to have to put some work in mastering both - but your results will benefit
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I have a canon 1d mk2 , but needing both is annoying
 
ruffdog64 said:
I have a canon 1d mk2 , but needing both is annoying
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It depends on how you look at it .... LR is more of a great raw convertor and PS finishes things off ....

Depends on how good you want your images
 
if you want to do stuff like replacing skies or cloning, go with photoshop.

if it's simple stuff like shadowlift, cropping, vignettes etc, go with lightroom

you can download free trials for one month from the adobe website to see which you prefer, and whichever one you decide on, get yourself a decent book to go with it - I'd recommend any of the scott kelby ones.
 
I use DPP to look at the raw files and sort out the good from the bad.

I then sort the ones I want to work on and use PSE 10 to do all the work. Not used LR to much apart from the free trial version so cannot comment on it too much.
Cannot see why you really need both LR and PSE to be honest, if you have DPP and PSE
 
SpikeK6 said:
Cannot see why you really need both LR and PSE to be honest, if you have DPP and PSE
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It depends on how well you want to edit and how consistent you want those edits
 
It's not essential to have both but it's much easier if you do.
Lightroom is great for the basic edit, ajust exposure, colour, crop, things like that, and it's great for batching hundreds of similar images, what it doesn't do is anything with layers and it's got fairly limited local ajustments and healing/cloning.
Photoshop on the other hand is ideal for layers, has excelent local ajustments, healing and cloning, you can easily swop parts of images around but photoshop weakness is in processing large numbers of images, you can use actions but it's a clunky way of doing it.
Hence Lightroom and photoshop compliment each other, LR for the bulk editing, and then switching to PS for the tricky fiddly clever stuff.
 
Need both! Utter balderdash!

Lightroom with Photoshop Elements should do 99.9999% of what you'll want to do. There's no point at all in splashing out the extra cash for the full version of PS. I'd love to know what CS5 can do that LR/PSE11 cannot.
 
hollis_f said:
Need both! Utter balderdash!

Lightroom with Photoshop Elements should do 99.9999% of what you'll want to do. There's no point at all in splashing out the extra cash for the full version of PS. I'd love to know what CS5 can do that LR/PSE11 cannot.
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Really ..... interesting opinion
 
ruffdog64 said:
Hows does lr differ from dpp?
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Well, DPP has the advantage of being able to read the parameters like sharpening, noise reduction, picture style, etc. that were set when the image was taken. That means that your raw image will look like the jpeg your camera would have taken when you start processing.

However, LR beats it on just about every other aspect of raw processing, in many people's opinion.

LR is also a Digital Asset Management system. It allows you to catalog your images, put them into collections (manually or automatically) and to add keywords. The result is a system that allows you to easily locate every single image of Aunt Gladys with a Hyena, taken with a 24-105 lens on a Saturday in April.

I find that LR does 95% of what I need to do when manipulating images. Photoshop will do 99.9% of the remaining 5%. PSE would almost certainly do 99.89999%.
 
spxxxx said:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopfamily/buying-guide-version-comparison.edu.html
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Well, I was sort of hoping that somebody might list two or three of the essential features of CS5 that make it so essential. Just posting a link to a marketing droids meaningless chart (PSE doesn't have a 'Non-destructive Editing Environment'?? Strange, I thought it included Adobe Camera Raw.)

Other things that PSE11 lacks, according to that BS table -
  • Imaging magic (Marketing BS) with Content-Aware tools
  • Intelligent selection and masking
  • State-of-the-art image processing controls
  • Highlight and shadow recovery
  • Selective editing brushes for adjusting specific photo areas
  • Support for exporting hundreds of image file formats

Now I don't own PSE, but I've used it and I'm pretty sure that even PSE10 included most, if not all, of those.

So, those who reckon CS is essential - what three 'essential' features of CS5 (or CS6) are lacking in PSE11?
 
I think I am correct in saying LR is non destructive, saving the changes to the raw not the changed raw file. You can go back and edit the same file numerous ways but have one original.

not sure how the Canon software works?

I'm just starting to learn LR and have PSE 10
 
hollis_f said:
Well, I was sort of hoping that somebody might list two or three of the essential features of CS5 that make it so essential. Just posting a link to a marketing droids meaningless chart (PSE doesn't have a 'Non-destructive Editing Environment'?? Strange, I thought it included Adobe Camera Raw.)

Other things that PSE11 lacks, according to that BS table -
  • Imaging magic (Marketing BS) with Content-Aware tools
  • Intelligent selection and masking
  • State-of-the-art image processing controls
  • Highlight and shadow recovery
  • Selective editing brushes for adjusting specific photo areas
  • Support for exporting hundreds of image file formats

Now I don't own PSE, but I've used it and I'm pretty sure that even PSE10 included most, if not all, of those.

So, those who reckon CS is essential - what three 'essential' features of CS5 (or CS6) are lacking in PSE11?
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TBH - you have made your mind up with your reference to Content aware - which on its own is worth the money, add to that the improved layer controls and masking options and for a professional tool used everyday it is the standard.

A hobbyist would quite righty get most of what they want with other tools - as I said at the beginning it depends on how good you want your final edits to be and what level you yourself are happy with.
 
LR & CS5 for me. The integration of the 2 programs is essential for me. Every image I supply to my clients will have been through both programs.
They work with each other, its not one or the other
 
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hollis_f said:
Need both! Utter balderdash!

Lightroom with Photoshop Elements should do 99.9999% of what you'll want to do. There's no point at all in splashing out the extra cash for the full version of PS. I'd love to know what CS5 can do that LR/PSE11 cannot.
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Your first statement says you don't need both & then you say you need LR with PSE rather than CS5. So you do need LR & some version of photoshop :thinking:


Discussing the merits of PSE against CS5 isn't what the OP asked.
 
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