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I have been looking at upgrades for my D7000 with a newer second hand or new body, it seems that unless I go for a D4/4s or similar body both other contenders D750 and D500 have potential serious issues shutters buggering up memory cards causing lock ups etc, is it me or has Nikon really dropped the ball with these 2 models?

Although I don't need one or want the extra weight, I am seriously considering getting a D4 second hand (I cannot afford D4s or D5) just for the better reliability or swapping to a Canon 5DII or III, (if I sell my D7000, 24-70 f2.8 and Sigma 70-200 f2.8 I should be able to pick up canon lenses of a similar type to go with the body).

So am I reading to much into a few faults over the thousands of bodies Nikon have sold or is there a real issue?
 
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I think you're reading too much into it. D500 is a great camera but you've not mentioned the d7200. I upgraded from d7000 to d7200 and was really happy with it. Only reason I then went to a d500 was because my d7200 was stolen and I got one bought for me. Have you looked at it?

Also, d500 is DX and d750 is FX, so do you have a preference?
 
Hi Chris
I have looked at the 7200, I just thought if I was staying with crop I would get as good a crop as I could.
Most of the time I just carry a camera whilst out with my dogs, but when i really use one it is either at Judo competitions that my boy or club mates are fighting in (poor light) so was looking for better low light (high ISO) performance I have never needed higher frame rate than the 7000 can deliver, I also dabble with gig photography so same as judo low light but much slower hence the full frame idea, from what I have read the D500 is almost as good in low light as the 750.

Do you find the D500 much better than the 7200 in actual use (as apposed to set up test shots)..

Cheers
 
To me the one problem with the internet and forums (fora) in particular is in reality they are frequented by a small minority of the camera using public many of whom like to make a noise and one can quickly reach a conclusion from a number of posts that there are huge issues with various models. I suspect that the number of units affected is comparatively small but bad publicity will eventually persuade the manufacturers to act. (Not that that is a bad thing).
The D750 is a good example. We started off with the internal reflection issue which I could replicate on my own copy but if you saw the lengths to which I had to go to see the problem you would like me conclude that it was a non-issue and I didn't send mine in for service. There was just no way I would encounter the 'problem' in normal use. Likewise with some of the other alleged 'major' issues.
The D750 is a fine camera, has many attractive features including the opportunity to use it in crop mode. I very much doubt you would be disappointed if you purchased one.
Oh and according to the forum talk a couple of Canon models could also exhibit the internal reflections!
Sadly mass production is always going to throw up a few bad copies be they cameras or washing machines. One simply cannot eliminate the human factor. I would suggest that it is very rare for a manufacturer to get it completely wrong although it does happen as we have recently seen with Samsung.
 
Red9R said:
Hi Chris
I have looked at the 7200, I just thought if I was staying with crop I would get as good a crop as I could.
Most of the time I just carry a camera whilst out with my dogs, but when i really use one it is either at Judo competitions that my boy or club mates are fighting in (poor light) so was looking for better low light (high ISO) performance I have never needed higher frame rate than the 7000 can deliver, I also dabble with gig photography so same as judo low light but much slower hence the full frame idea, from what I have read the D500 is almost as good in low light as the 750.

Do you find the D500 much better than the 7200 in actual use (as apposed to set up test shots)..

Cheers
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I've never used the d750, but if you want the best low light performance then you should go full frame. The d500 is good with higher ISOs but I've seen tests showing the D750 is still better. Of course it depends on what lenses you have if you're taking judo. If you went FF you'll lose the crop factor so would need a longer focal length for the same shot. I'm no expert but if you don't need the great AF and fast fps of the d500, the d750 would suit you better.

The d500 has a few benefits over the d7200, but none of them would matter for you. I take birds, so the fast AF and higher FPS are clear benefits for me. I find the d500 higher ISO better than the D7200 but not by that much. Again, unless you need the AF or FPS of the D500, I think the contenders for you are d7200 if you want crop or D750 if you want FF (I'm basing this on the models you've mentioned, I don't know about the other Nikon models).
 
Thanks Chris, good to hear from some one who has used both, to be honest the focal length a pain at some judo comps if I am matside with the 24-70 being to short if the players are the other side of the mat and the 70-200 to long if they are near LoL, what ever I get I will keep the D7000 when I am out and about which was another reason I was thinking of FF for the rest.
I guess that as with most think on line you only really hear of the failures or bad experiences, people who are happy with there stuff just get on an use it.

Cheers
 
Clactonian said:
To me the one problem with the internet and forums (fora) in particular is in reality they are frequented by a small minority of the camera using public many of whom like to make a noise and one can quickly reach a conclusion from a number of posts that there are huge issues with various models. I suspect that the number of units affected is comparatively small but bad publicity will eventually persuade the manufacturers to act. (Not that that is a bad thing).
The D750 is a good example. We started off with the internal reflection issue which I could replicate on my own copy but if you saw the lengths to which I had to go to see the problem you would like me conclude that it was a non-issue and I didn't send mine in for service. There was just no way I would encounter the 'problem' in normal use. Likewise with some of the other alleged 'major' issues.
The D750 is a fine camera, has many attractive features including the opportunity to use it in crop mode. I very much doubt you would be disappointed if you purchased one.
Oh and according to the forum talk a couple of Canon models could also exhibit the internal reflections!
Sadly mass production is always going to throw up a few bad copies be they cameras or washing machines. One simply cannot eliminate the human factor. I would suggest that it is very rare for a manufacturer to get it completely wrong although it does happen as we have recently seen with Samsung.
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Thanks Mike, yeah the internet if full of goods that have problems for the few, the many just get on and use the kit, I do tend to over think things and then worry as for most these are a significant purchase for me financially.

As I said above I don't need or really want the heft of a D4 / 4s etc as nice as it would be to own one so the D750 was (is) the one I was looking at most then along came the D500 LoL, with what Chris has said above if I do go crop I will most likely look at the 7200, that would leave me enough to think about a super zoom as well :) but I know I will have that nagging thought about FF and should I have got one LoL

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

Chris, who ever could you mean :)
 
Red9R said:
Thanks Mike, yeah the internet if full of goods that have problems for the few, the many just get on and use the kit, I do tend to over think things and then worry as for most these are a significant purchase for me financially.

As I said above I don't need or really want the heft of a D4 / 4s etc as nice as it would be to own one so the D750 was (is) the one I was looking at most then along came the D500 LoL, with what Chris has said above if I do go crop I will most likely look at the 7200, that would leave me enough to think about a super zoom as well :) but I know I will have that nagging thought about FF and should I have got one LoL
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The D7200 is a brilliant camera. I know several people who are extremely satisfied with it.
You are right about the heft of a D4. I have a D2Xs which is of similar size and weight albeit DX. It still produces wonderful images up to ISO 400 and has a pretty quick frame rate. Too heavy for cabin luggage though if you wish to take anything else with you.
 
Current D500 with latest firmware is fine, excluding Snapbridge which is a joke for 90% of users. It excels in AF and speed and does really well in low-light but not as well as the D750. If you don't need speed and superb AF then I would suggest the D7200 which will get you a great camera at a fraction of the cost. :)
 
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Current D500 with latest firmware is fine, excluding Snapbridge which is a joke for 90% of users. It excels in AF and speed and does really well in low-light but not as well as the D750. If you don't need speed and superb AF then I would suggest the D7200 which will get you a great camera at a fraction of the cost. :)
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Thanks Gramps, looks like I have to decide if I want to go FF or not and then just pick either 750 or 7200, my son has a competition this weekend so will see how I get on range wise and then decide.. D7200 and a super zoom or D750 and maybe a second hand prime (not a bad dilemma to have I guess).
It is reassuring to here from users that do not have issues with kit LoL :)
 
Nikon primes are generally pretty good. The D7200 has a focus drive screw which means you would be able to pick up a cheaper AFD lens which are fine of DX cameras. The 50mm f1.8 AFD is a snip at well under £100 on the used market.. The AFD 85mm f1.8 and the 180mm f1.8 are both stellar performers on a DX and perform very well on FF. The only problem would be if you were to upgrade your camera in the future to one without the screw drive, but then Nikon's latest lenses with the electronic diaphragms are not backwards compatible.
 
I do have a 50mm afd and don't use it enough, I did think about doing a project of my home town at 50mm to make me use it more as I really like the results it gives
 
Red9R said:
I do have a 50mm afd and don't use it enough, I did think about doing a project of my home town at 50mm to make me use it more as I really like the results it gives
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It's a bit long on a DX for general use but a good portrait lens. The 35mm is best for general use although my favourite is a Voigtlander 21mm. It might be a manual lens but has such a depth of field at around f8 that you don't have to worry about focussing at all, and it is tiny.
Whatever camera you end up with it would be worth considering buying FX lenses. You'll be using the sweet spot on a DX but it will still be useable if you upgrade to FF.
 
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