Longer lens hoods for full frame (canon)

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Of course most of us are aware of the idea of using a longer lens hood on a small sensor camera - the well known use of the 17-55 hood (EW83J) on the 17-40 for example.

However, what about full frame? Most people would simply say that the standard hood for EF lenses is designed for full-frame, and leave it at that. Since I had some hoods kicking around from my small-sensor days, I decided to experiment with a few with my 5D...

First of all, I already knew that I can use ET-65 instead of ES-65 on my 50 F1.8 mk 1 - that worked on film. There is a practical downside though, in that the hood can't be reversed on the lens on the camera because it is in fact longer than the lens itself.

Next lens up is the 17-40. This is where I really wanted to improve things over the EW83E, which I find impractical. It is too big to conveniently carry around, and certainly not feasible to reverse it on the lens.When I first got the 17-40, the crop-sensor hood du jour was the EW83DII, meant for the 24 F1.4L. On the 5D this gave visible vignetting, but only very slight (worst case 30px). I'm not the first person to take a file to this hood, and surprisingly little material needs to come off to make it work without vignetting.

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The other hood I had for the 17-40 was the EW83J. Obviously no use on the 17-40 on full frame, but out of curiosity I popped it onto the 24-105 F4L IS and gave it a try. No vignetting at all, and it is a good 15mm (3/5") deeper than the stock EW83H. This requires no modification at all on the 5D.

To conclude, the possibility of improved hoods isn't limited to cropped sensor bodies (where you could argue that it would be appropriate hood, rather than improved), but there's room for improvement in full-frame also. Another option to look at would be the new EW83K (24 F1.4L II).
 
I'm not convinced. The standard 17-40L hood, EW-83E, is a very tight match on full frame.

To check out vignetting, shoot at widest angle, closest focus, and f/16. And don't just look through the viewfinder, take a pic.

At the end of the day though, it has to be said that hoods on wide zooms are more for protection than anything else.

I do use a big hood on my 24-105L for portraits against a bright white background though - the massive ET-83C off a 100-400L. On full frame it's clear from about 90mm and makes a useful difference to image contrast. I used the same hood on a 17-55 2.8 on a 40D and it was fine on that at 50mm or so, nice for portraits.
 
I'm not convinced. The standard 17-40L hood, EW-83E, is a very tight match on full frame.

To check out vignetting, shoot at widest angle, closest focus, and f/16. And don't just look through the viewfinder, take a pic.

That's what I did... I had to take multiple shots and file away until it did not vignette in the image at small apertures. It was different on the two sides (not 100% mechanically centred) and took shots with the hood in both possible orientations until it was all done.

The EW83 is entirely impractical hood for my bags and style of shooting. I don't think I've ever even unwrapped it from buying my 17-40 in 2004 (I bought it for crop-frame and ordered the DII for it at the same time). The DII filed down is much more compact and as effective as possible for a 17mm lens.
 
I use the 83E on my mk2 and have never noticed any vignetting.

Stew
 
I think you missed the point - of course EW83E doesn't vignette. However, EW83E is hugely bulky and impractical and there are hoods that work better for the 17-40 than EW83E without being so bulky. EW83H is another possible, also needing a little bit of cutting down.
 
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