Living with Schizophrenia

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Like the title says how do you cope with Schizophrenia, not myself but the woman in the flat below, it has been going on since march, my two year old runs across the floor any time of day she bangs on the ceiling, today on my way home my missus rings me to tell me she's on one. Just as I get in I catch her red handed filling my childs buggy full of baked beans out of a pan, I confront her and she runs into her flat then back out with a rolling pin threatening to "stove my head" with it. My missus overheard all this and rung the police. To cut a long story short, she's well known to them and to quote the police man said he "wont bull **** us" but nothing will happen nothing can be done and I need to watch myself as I was in the wrong.

That's it thanks for listening, rant over.

Chris
 
The coppers talking out of his ass. They should have details of who her community psychiatric nurse is for a start and then issues can be dealt with from there.

Don't shy away from phoning the police / reporting her behaviour, how the hell were you in the wrong?
 
mmwwaaa I wish they wouldn't do that :gag: now I don't know what you said....
 
Ricardodaforce said:
C'mon it was a jest!!
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Poor taste. But I chortled anyway . . .

To the OP you need to keep reporting every single incident to the police if you or your family feel threatened. Its no joke if this woman ends up hurting someone. Don't take no for an answer. Also find our whether she is an owner or a renter. If the latter the landlord needs to know. There are associations that deal with these kinds of people in the community and she may already be in contact with one or may even be renting from a housing association that specialises in renting to those with mental health issues.

If you are renting then it may just be easier to move.
 
Yeah she's a renter the landlord knows it's housing association she cant be moved with her "condition" we have got to move ! I was in the wrong for going off on one about her actions, next time I catch her I should walk past her ignore her and ring the police so they can come and do nothing !
 
I'd move, no good can come of living above someone unstable like that.
 
Sums up the way things are... no action taken due to 'human rights' and other such garbage!
 
Pour some Spaghetti Hoops through her letterbox :thumbs:


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Yes we've tried talking we used to get on, we know her problems. we know shes not on her meds when we can smell the cannabis coming out of her flat when we walk past.
 
neil_g said:
Have you tried talking to her?

She might be having a bad time on her meds. Assuming you know 100% what her condition is.
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Neil, I am sometimes described by others as a "lefty" or a "liberal", because I am very easy going most of the time and try to understand where others are coming from.
However, when other people threaten me or my family - as they have done in the past, then I am afraid the "gloves come off" and I respond to violence or threats of violence with the same, or more correctly in this instance - the OP has contacted the police.
I really don't give a toss whether that person is on "meds", they are a potential danger to other people, so should be dealt with in an appropriate manner by professionals.
 
I feel sorry for the OP. Unfortunately what this thread also shows is the lack of care in mental health.
 
srichards said:
There are associations that deal with these kinds of people Schizophrenics in the community and she may already be in contact with one or may even be renting from a housing association that specialises in renting to those with mental health issues.
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There fixed that for you but I'm pretty sure that's what you meant to say. Schizophrenics are not "these kind of people' just people with a serious medical condition.

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Sums up the way things are... no action taken due to 'human rights' and other such garbage!
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police are unlikely to do anything because she has a serious medical condition and at those times she is not responsible for her actions, what would you like them to do cart her off in a strait jacket? There are of course other agencies who can and will help I would suggest the op starts by contacting the local authority.

Whilst I do have the greatest of sympathy for the op leaving in close proximity to someone who has serious mental health issues is not an easy situation especially where children are concerned but more understanding and contacting the right agencies might go someway to helping the situation.

Steve
 
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Bluetooth said:
Yes we've tried talking we used to get on, we know her problems. we know shes not on her meds when we can smell the cannabis coming out of her flat when we walk past.
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If she acts out in this way again call the police, they have the power to arrest and take to a place of safety a person who appears to them to be suffering from mental disorder and to be in immediate need of care or control (Sec. 136)

I would say that emptying beans in your child's buggy and threatening you with bodily harm fits the above

Also next time you smell cannabis call the police
 
steve_v said:
There fixed that for you but I'm pretty sure that's what you meant to say. Schizophrenics are not "these kind of people' just people with a serious medical condition.

police are unlikely to do anything because she has a serious medical condition and at those times she is not responsible for her actions, what would you like them to do cart her off in a strait jacket? There are of course other agencies who can and will help I would suggest the op starts by contacting the local authority.

Whilst I do have the greatest of sympathy for the op leaving in close proximity to someone who has serious mental health issues is not an easy situation especially where children are concerned but more understanding and contacting the right agencies might go someway to helping the situation.

Steve
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Put so much better than I could word it.
 
steve_v said:
There fixed that for you but I'm pretty sure that's what you meant to say. Schizophrenics are not "these kind of people' just people with a serious medical condition.




police are unlikely to do anything because she has a serious medical condition and at those times she is not responsible for her actions, what would you like them to do cart her off in a strait jacket? There are of course other agencies who can and will help I would suggest the op starts by contacting the local authority.



Whilst I do have the greatest of sympathy for the op leaving in close proximity to someone who has serious mental health issues is not an easy situation especially where children are concerned but more understanding and contacting the right agencies might go someway to helping the situation.

Steve
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Yes I agree while its not right that the OP should have his family threatened, people with mental health issues used to be looked after in an institution
Now they are just dumped into the community with no support
 
cambsno said:
If she is not responsible for her actions then should she be free to do what she wants???
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You may think that but the move from institutionalisation to "Care in the Community" some years back led to closure of "hospitals" for those with the most severe mental health problems.

The improvement in the cocktail of drugs avaiable has enabled sufferers to live what we might call "normal" lives. All is well until the sufferer fails to follow their meds regime or ceases altogether. Add to the mix the growing use of so called "cannabis" when in many csses it can be derivatives like skunkweed or worse other narcotics (crystal meth) and the timebomb is ticking.

There really is not enough secure beds for those with very serious mental health issues. Nothing to do with "Human Rights" but economics and, as stated, better meds.

In certsin States in the US laws exidt to require those on certain meds to actually take them. Perhaps this may be one thing we could enact, making such a requirement a legal requirement, which could enable the Police to remove the person with badly medicated mental health issues to a secure place of safety.

The big picture is of no use to the OP but sadly and frustratingly the plan is still to have sufferers in theif own homes and hope they follow the programme.

The fact that the woman armed herself and uttered threats and smokez "weed" is indicative of an escalating problem from the original relationship the OP had with her prebiously.

May seem lame bu go and see your local MP at one of their surgeries. They may sit on the government or opposition benches but first and foremost they represent their constituency - that is You and your family.

It may rattle the doors of those that can help. FINALLY buf primarily - keep a diary of events and if witnessed by others, their names and addresses.

Good luck

Steve
 
Bluetooth said:
Yes we've tried talking we used to get on, we know her problems. we know shes not on her meds when we can smell the cannabis coming out of her flat when we walk past.
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fair enough, it was a genuine question. id suggest continuing to contact the police or maybe you local social care dept.

unfortunately if she is suffering with schizophrenia finding the correct meds that work is a very individual thing and can be pretty hit and miss.

andy700 said:
Neil, I am sometimes described by others as a "lefty" or a "liberal", because I am very easy going most of the time and try to understand where others are coming from.
However, when other people threaten me or my family - as they have done in the past, then I am afraid the "gloves come off" and I respond to violence or threats of violence with the same, or more correctly in this instance - the OP has contacted the police.
I really don't give a toss whether that person is on "meds", they are a potential danger to other people, so should be dealt with in an appropriate manner by professionals.
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bravo. way to over react to a simple question. i hope your temper isnt like that in real life. ;) :clap:
 
The copper said next time you smell the cannabis call us, so that wont be long and we'll find out what happens then. I say cannabis but it's some form of bud like skunk, it's not a faint wiff, it stinks the hallway out and our bathroom.
 
cambsno said:
If she is not responsible for her actions then should she be free to do what she wants???
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Probably not no, if she is a risk to herself and others then ideally she should be hospitalised. As a previous poster stated this is a result of 'care in the community' or perhaps that ought to be called 'neglect in the community'

Steve
 
Just move. I couldnt live like that not knowing what was coming next.

You will feel more comfortable somewhere else I'm sure.
 
I would contact the police every.single.time she caused an issue, and also ref the smell of cannabis.
I would also contact the local community adult mental health team, and also maybe MIND to see if they had any ideas.

It is one of those issues that, if you just put up with it, nothing will be resolved. If you make a lot of fuss, then there is help out there. She should be under a mental health professional and have a cpn visiting - do you know if this is the case? They can be awesome, they can be a bit useless, but they would be my first port of call, so that her case got escalated to seeing a psychiatrist, rather than just the visiting nurse.
The psychiatrist can put things in place for someone to be sectioned, and they can act v quickly.
(This is based on my rough knowledge from my mother having two psychotic breaks, and us getting her sectioned).
It is one of those things were you need to make quite a lot of fuss for anything to be done.

edited to add - obviously if things are at crisis/emergency point, then the first port of call is the police. But since this is an ongoing situation, I figured there might be opportunity to involve the mental health team, and at least find out who she is in contact with there.
 
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if she's that mentally unstable, and not under any obvious care, then the cops should treat her like anyone else. If you poured baked beans over her and threatened to knock her out with a rolling pin, you'd be arrested. Sounds like they 'know her' alright, and are afraid to do anything. Not much point in us saying we'd do this or that, but I just know if I caught someone doing that to my child's buggy, they may well have to have the pan surgically removed.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
It was a jest, but fabs was seriously lacking a sense of humour last night. It really was inoffensive too. :shrug:
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Unless you have experience in this illness, then it's not funny in the slightest, so hat's off to fabs.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
It was a jest, but fabs was seriously lacking a sense of humour last night. It really was inoffensive too. :shrug:
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OK, shall we spell it out - it is not really a subject to joke about, whether you are the OP or the lady in question, neither can be having a great time of it. However, as a person who has publicly stated more than once recently about not always appreciating some of the banter and jokes round here, it seemed even more incongruous that you should chose such an inappropriate thread to express some of your own. However, anyone coming in to such a thread with such comments would also have got the same deletions, os its not a 'pick on you' action. We said to you in the JC thread that if you don't like certain humour or banter in certain threads, RTM it and if we agree, it will will be dealt with - that cuts both ways though, as always.
 
neil_g said:
bravo. way to over react to a simple question. i hope your temper isnt like that in real life. ;) :clap:
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In post #11, you suggested talking to the person who had already threatened the OP with assault.
As I said before, I am quite a calm person, and sometimes people think that I am a little soft, so try to take advantage.
I have only lost my temper twice in 38 years, and both times were when someone assaulted me. The second time was when the person - a guy weighing around 15 stone was going to assault my wife, by pushing past me to get into our house. I grabbed him and held him by the throat up against a brick wall, then kneed him hard in the groin.
If I had contacted and waited for the police, then it would have been too late.
The reality is, that if an assault is taking place, then you have to react quickly, because you may regret not doing that later.
 
Some reasonable advice here and some useless stuff.

I suggest you write to the Chief Constable of the Cheshire Constabulary (currently this is David Whatton) outlining what has happened and that you are unhappy about the response of the police. I am not having a go at the police. They have a incredibly difficult job which I could not in any way imagine having to do and I support them fully.

However, you have experienced some bizarre behaviour and have been threatened and in my view this is unacceptable, irrespective of the mental health of the the person exhibiting this behaviour.

I also suggest, as has already been mentioned, that you write to your MP and copy each letter to the other party.

Hope that everyone in this problem are helped soon.

Dave
 
cambsno said:
If she is not responsible for her actions then should she be free to do what she wants???
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Small point - if she's suffering from severe mental health issues, she's not doing "what she wants".

Some more extreme examples of paranoid schizophrenics killing loved ones whilst very ill, with no recollection of it and then have to live with the guilt for the rest of their lives. At no stage were they doing "what they wanted"
 
It may be worth going to your local GP to discuss the effect this is having on you and your family.

The more official assistance guidance you have on your side the better.
 
Some good points there, it's been going on since March I had a visit from a wpc a few months ago saying she'd made a complaint about me, she said i'd threatened her in the local super market ! Again the WPC said she was well known. A few weeks later the WPC rung us back and said that she had finally got through to the housing officer and they agreed that we need to be moved, because the woman down stairs has got issues she cant be moved. We still haven't heard from the housing officer since our first complaint about her In march. I'm sure that she only came out to see us then because the woman down stairs had complained about me parking my van outside her flat, even though its our parking space.
As for going to see the GP, my girlfriend went to see hers 6 weeks ago she explained the problems said it was making her ill, he offered her anti depressants and said he could write a letter for her for £60.
 
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As for going to see the GP, my girlfriend went to see hers 6 weeks ago she explained the problems said it was making her ill, he offered her anti depressants and said he could write a letter for her for £60.
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Most local authorities have their own medical rehousing team and a doctors letter would have very little if any effect. You need to be constantly contacting the LA to try and receive a high priority award either due to health or welfare reasons and no I don't mean benefits. Its essential that you repeatedly contact them you cant wait for them to contact you you have to be constantly at them write letters to the head of housing and anyone else in the LA who may help. It also helps if you can be supported by your local MP and/or Councillor the MP especially carries a lot of weight with the LA and has the resources to help. Keep at it make yourself a nuisance get support and it will work out eventually.

Steve
 
Are we certain it's schizophrenia in the first place, and not Bi-polar? There's a lot of assuming and over defensiveness here, when the woman may not be diagnosed with this particular illness at all.
 
steve_v said:
Most local authorities have their own medical rehousing team and a doctors letter would have very little if any effect. You need to be constantly contacting the LA to try and receive a high priority award either due to health or welfare reasons and no I don't mean benefits. Its essential that you repeatedly contact them you cant wait for them to contact you you have to be constantly at them write letters to the head of housing and anyone else in the LA who may help. It also helps if you can be supported by your local MP and/or Councillor the MP especially carries a lot of weight with the LA and has the resources to help. Keep at it make yourself a nuisance get support and it will work out eventually.

Steve
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I completely agree that you need to keep constant contact/pressure on,one way or another, to get any kind of result.
 
Cagey75 said:
Are we certain it's schizophrenia in the first place, and not Bi-polar? There's a lot of assuming and over defensiveness here, when the woman may not be diagnosed with this particular illness at all.
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100% certain, we use to get on ok and she told us all about her problems, the police know she is as well.

We will try to keep the pressure on, the letter to the mp and a formal complaint to the housing association about the housing officer will be made on Monday.
 
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