Lightroom 6

Brian G said:
Sounds like this follows the typical Adobe trend of releasing a half-cocked "Beta" version as a finished product
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Well, it might do - if this were typical. However, it is the first version of LR that hasn't gone through a series of public betas, so it's not really typical, more like the complete and utter opposite.
 
Brian G said:
Sounds like this follows the typical Adobe trend of releasing a half-cocked "Beta" version as a finished product and getting their "beta testers" - sorry "customers" debug the thing, before releasing a fully working version in a couple of months time.
I think I'll hold off updating until LR 6.2 is released.
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It is taking the p a little to get us to do the testing for them. Just seen Sharky's post - if it was closed beta, they didn't do a very good job or it was rushed.

Having removed LR5, I'm committed (or should be for not waiting for a patch!). Still, after several hours playing with CC, I haven't found any real showstoppers yet. It's stable and hasn't crashed. The bugs I have encountered are all fairly minor, if all the more irritating considering there was actually a beta.
 
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Brian G said:
Your video card must be capable of supporting GPU 3.3 or above for GPU acceleration to work, check the spec of your ATI card.

Sounds like this follows the typical Adobe trend of releasing a half-cocked "Beta" version as a finished product and getting their "beta testers" - sorry "customers" debug the thing, before releasing a fully working version in a couple of months time.
I think I'll hold off updating until LR 6.2 is released.
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Hi, yes, my card supports GL 4.1 so well within spec. It appears that the whole range of ATI HD cards are affected but Adobe are already working on a fix.
 
manualfocus-g said:
Hi, yes, my card supports GL 4.1 so well within spec. It appears that the whole range of ATI HD cards are affected but Adobe are already working on a fix.
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What is the issue and what card? I have a 7970 in my editing rig and curious.
 
johnnypanic said:
LR mobile is working with your preview images, i.e. not the original raw files. Ajf350d, if i read him correctly, wishes to be able to import directly into LR mobile, e.g. from an sd card.
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Yes, that is correct.
Maybe it just isn't for me but I am not sure what the point is of having it if you have to use a desktop/laptop to actually import the RAW files before you can access them.

I will look at the Youtube channel videos later though and it might make it a little clearer as to its usage!
 
OK installing old drivers has enabled GPU acceleration for me :) Haven't noticed much of an impact, although my card is pretty lightweight (didn't bother getting anything beefy as lr5 didn't couldn't utilise the GPU anyway).

My spec - six core AMD FX6300 @3.0GHZ with 8GB RAM and ATI Radeon HD 6450.

Time to import 10 Fuji RAF files, build minimal previews + smart previews:

LR5 - 37 seconds
LR6 no GPU - 46 seconds
LR6 with GPU - 46 seconds

All three render a RAF at 1:1 in develop module in under 3 seconds.

This is quick and dirty testing at this stage, but LR5 looks quickest at importing. I wonder what else LR6 is doing with smart previews, which is what takes the time?

In terms of the interface LR6 seems snappier.
 
Ok, on my machine Lightroom CC is taking longer to render images when I flick between them and/or zoom in to 1:1 (even though I have 1:1 previews built) with the GPU enabled (750 ti). When I turn off the GPU assistance it speeds up. Go figure? Im running the I7-4790k with an SSD for my OS and another SSD for my catalog and images. Anyone else experiencing this issue? Could it be something to do with my lightroom cache?
 
manualfocus-g said:
OK installing old drivers has enabled GPU acceleration for me :) Haven't noticed much of an impact, although my card is pretty lightweight (didn't bother getting anything beefy as lr5 didn't couldn't utilise the GPU anyway).

My spec - six core AMD FX6300 @3.0GHZ with 8GB RAM and ATI Radeon HD 6450.

Time to import 10 Fuji RAF files, build minimal previews + smart previews:

LR5 - 37 seconds
LR6 no GPU - 46 seconds
LR6 with GPU - 46 seconds

All three render a RAF at 1:1 in develop module in under 3 seconds.

This is quick and dirty testing at this stage, but LR5 looks quickest at importing. I wonder what else LR6 is doing with smart previews, which is what takes the time?

In terms of the interface LR6 seems snappier.
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I've changed my smart previews to the new optimised value so they are bigger now, maybe that is why?
 
Adam Wortman said:
Just did a basic test. When I move the exposure slider up and down with the GPU on the CPU usage is about 20% higher. Something must be wrong here, right?
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I've experienced the same and posted my findings to the Adobe forum.

I did my test using the adjustment brush, simply brushing a change in exposure.

When the system was idle, my CPU usage was around 3-4%.

Brushing with GPU turned off, my CPU usage jumped to 60-70%
Brushing with GPU turned on, my CPU usage jumped to 90-130%

Adobe have royally screwed up here.

From what I've read, GPU acceleration only works in the develop module so it wouldn't affect the speed of importing images.
 
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ecoleman said:
I've experienced the same and posted my findings to the Adobe forum.

I did my test using the adjustment brush, simply brushing a change in exposure.

When the system was idle, my CPU usage was around 3-4%.

Brushing with GPU turned off, my CPU usage jumped to 60-70%
Brushing with GPU turned on, my CPU usage jumped to 90-130%

Adobe have royally screwed up here.

From what I've read, GPU acceleration only works in the develop module so it would affect the speed of importing images.
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I've also posted on the Adobe forums - here is hoping they are paying attention
 
manualfocus-g said:
Lightroom does not enable GPU acceleration with Radeon HD cards. The solution seems to be to roll back ATI drivers to an older (April 2014) release.
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No problems here with the latest 15.4 beta and a HD7970. If i use adjustments in the develop module i see corresponding GPU usage, clocking up etc.

Graphics Processor Info:
AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series

Check OpenGL support: Passed
Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Version: 3.3.13292 Core Profile Context 14.502.1014.0
Renderer: AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series
LanguageVersion: 4.40

OGLEnabled: true
 
Amazon now list the physical package but only the 'full' version not the upgrade. Also interestingly for PC it says Win8 now that is wrong ;)
 
hmmm... should have read this thread before upgrading and removing LR 5 :(

Performance has taken a big hit on my machine. AMD 8350 8 core, 4GHz, 16GB ram. R7 200 graphics with 2GB
Previews are taking an age (Nikon RAW) maybe twice as long as LR5. Viewing 1:1 generally takes around 3 to 4 seconds but sometimes stalls for upwards of 20s!
Dragging the image around at 1:1 is really laggy.
Turning off GPU then restarting lightroom and it took about 30s just to drawn lightroom with all its menus (big white boxes all over the place to start with).

I've not properly check CPU usage but judging by the fan spooling up it is taking a lot more of a hammering than usual.

Not at all impressed!
 
brman said:
hmmm... should have read this thread before upgrading and removing LR 5 :(

Performance has taken a big hit on my machine. AMD 8350 8 core, 4GHz, 16GB ram. R7 200 graphics with 2GB
Previews are taking an age (Nikon RAW) maybe twice as long as LR5. Viewing 1:1 generally takes around 3 to 4 seconds but sometimes stalls for upwards of 20s!
Dragging the image around at 1:1 is really laggy.
Turning off GPU then restarting lightroom and it took about 30s just to drawn lightroom with all its menus (big white boxes all over the place to start with).

I've not properly check CPU usage but judging by the fan spooling up it is taking a lot more of a hammering than usual.

Not at all impressed!
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Go over and post on the Adobe forums - need to make some noise about this
 
hollis_f said:
Well, it might do - if this were typical. However, it is the first version of LR that hasn't gone through a series of public betas, so it's not really typical, more like the complete and utter opposite.
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They USED to run Beta tests of all their releases (I remember taking part in some) but there was no public Beta of LR5.
It seems they would rather let their customers be the Beta testers than release fully debugged and working programs.
No problem, my copy of LR 5.7 is working fine and I see no compulsion to "upgrade" to LR 6 until it's running smoothly, maybe by v6.2 or 6.3.
 
Are the poor performance hits only being seen with ATI cards or nVidia as well?

Seems quite odd that what on the face of it is a step change development (using the GPU) has thrown up such a major problem once being used by the paying public. I wonder if the private testers are still constrained by their NDA's and will be commenting on anything???
 
I've been a huge fan of Lightroom over the last few years, and have always upgraded as soon as a new version was released. I did start to worry that v5 was starting to become a little too complex. From the discussion so far it seems that v6 is taking this trend much further. Compatibility of software with video card? Aaaaarrrggggghhhhh.......!

I'm definitely hanging on to my cash for now.
 
Box Brownie said:
Are the poor performance hits only being seen with ATI cards or nVidia as well?
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I'm just going to counter some of the doom and gloom here, mine is running fine! I know that isn't the case for some but so far my LR6 experience has been very positive. Do i think it's worth the upgrade for standalone users, probably not unless one of the frankly limited new features is a must have. For me it feels a little quicker in general, the GPU acceleration in the develop module is welcome, face detection is good but not without it's flaws, HDR and pano's are low down on my list of priorities but nice to have all the same.

If you're a standalone user then a trial of LR6 is the way to go to see if it has any value to you.

I'll add my experience is across two devices, editing rig i7, 20gb ram, HD7970, SSD (boot), SSD (catalogue), WD red for images and 1920x1200 desktop. The other being an ageing i5 Elitebook laptop 16gb, SSD.
 
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brman said:
Previews are taking an age (Nikon RAW) maybe twice as long as LR5. Viewing 1:1 generally takes around 3 to 4 seconds but sometimes stalls for upwards of 20s!
Dragging the image around at 1:1 is really laggy.
Turning off GPU then restarting lightroom and it took about 30s just to drawn lightroom with all its menus (big white boxes all over the place to start with).
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That sounds like LR5 for me. LRCC seems generally faster and snappier so far. Though I haven't had much to do in the develop module yet, mainly just importing and culling. (Knackered late 2009 27" iMac, 2.66 i5 with ancient ATI Radeon HD 4850). It seems to say it's OK with my graphics card, though I thought it wouldn't meet the minimum requirements...
 
Box Brownie said:
Are the poor performance hits only being seen with ATI cards or nVidia as well?

Seems quite odd that what on the face of it is a step change development (using the GPU) has thrown up such a major problem once being used by the paying public. I wonder if the private testers are still constrained by their NDA's and will be commenting on anything???
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Mine is on NVIDIA so I'm guessing both
 
without going down the CC route is there a price to upgrade my current Lightroom 5 to the 6?
 
AndrewSt said:
without going down the CC route is there a price to upgrade my current Lightroom 5 to the 6?
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And as mentioned before, you need to be logged out of the Adobe site or they'll try to force CC on you. Also, when you go to buy it will give you the full price - there's a small edit link to the right of the price information that will let you change it to the upgrade pricing.
 
Most interestingly they are no longer doing a student/teacher version of the standalone software you have to go down the CC licence route. I wonder if that's to keep tabs on students still using it after leaving education? Looks like I'll be upgrading my version3 to version 5 rather than 6 :-(
 
AndrewSt said:
without going down the CC route is there a price to upgrade my current Lightroom 5 to the 6?
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I've always bought my Lightroom copies from Amazon (full LR4 and then upgrade to LR5) but at present they are only showing the full version of LR6 as a download, not the upgrade edition.
They are cheaper than buying direct from Adobe and sometimes have additional discounts (plus I had an Amazon voucher that I was given.)
 
Installed it today, absolutely belts along on my PC. :clap:
 
Hmmm. Mixed reviews so far from you guys.

I might download it on Sunday and have a play then compare to LR5 and see what works best. I've got a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4096 MB in my iMac so would have thought the GPU acceleration would make a difference. Here's hoping :)
 
TopBanana said:
Most interestingly they are no longer doing a student/teacher version of the standalone software you have to go down the CC licence route. I wonder if that's to keep tabs on students still using it after leaving education? Looks like I'll be upgrading my version3 to version 5 rather than 6 :-(
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Upgrade to LR6 would be £59. Student version of LR5 £54. Extra £5 is probably worth it?
I'm disappointed Adobe don't do a "Lightroom Only" CC package. I have PS Elements 9 that I use about once a year if that and object to forking out for a plan that forces me to have a newer version I won't use [emoji35]
 
Rendering is very slow. I imported my first lot of photos yesterday, since upgrading, I had been using the Fuji 55-200 lens for the 1st time and was staring to panic when I clicked on them to enlarge as they were horribly out of focus. The I realised that I had to wait as much as 4 or 5 seconds! It also crashed on me a couple of times.

Now I'm using a 6 year old iMac but can LRCC be THAT resource hungry compared to LR5? Fortunately I still have LR5.
 
GPU acceleration doesn't work on my Radeon R9 270 either even though its on the official list could be a driver problem though.
 
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