Lighting For Car Shoots

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Hi there,

i am looking at progressing my photography in the next year. i love taking photos etc.

i currently take a lot of shots for fast-n-modded.co.uk, auto-media and live promotions.

my shots can be found : http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich_r33/sets/

problem is, i wish to get some proper lighting set up.

i currently have a canon 500d.

im after taking shots like :

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i just wanted a few different options, as always, budget is tight.. but if anybody could give me a few pointers would be amazing ! links aswell etc.

Many Thanks,

Rich

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Firstly, welcome to TP :)

Secondly, you have some awesomely good stuff on your flickr page that looks good.

Thirdly, in terms of off-camera flash, there are loads of options available.

The cheapest are the current crop of 'ebay' triggers and flashes made by Yongyuo etc. Seems to be good value (about £40 per flashgun) and they do wireless triggers for £20 or £30 that are seemingly pretty reliable.

Flash In The Pan (usually seen as FITP in threads) is a memebr on TP who sells all sorts of flash-related gear - have a look here to see what he's got in stock. He's pretty good on price.

You're really going to need wireless triggers of some sort if you intend to go down the small flashgun (speedlight) route, just for ease of use in terms of moving lights quickly and putting lights in sneaky places like footwells and interiors.

There are loads of more expensive options, but generally they all do the same thing, just with varying degrees of reliability, cost, features and range.

I use three Nikon speedlights; a modern SB800, which is also my main on-camera flash if I need it, plus two old SB28s. All have manual power settings and are built like tanks. Plus, they are pretty powerful.

I team these up with Elinchrom Skyports, wireless radio triggers that attach to the flash via a PC sync cable. These receive a signal from a trigger mounted on my hotshoe. Very reliable but everything has to be done manually because this system doesn't support TTL metering of any kind. I've got these soaking wet, dropped them into all sorts of unsavoury much but they keep on working providing you keep them charged. They're £60 per receiver the bit for the flash) but they do 'starter' packs for about £120 - check out the flashcentre.

They've just changed the design of the Skyport, so they're slightly more expensive. The older, crappy looking ones are the ones I have. They work the same. Look on fleabay or in TP classified, as they often come up used.

A really expensive way of doing TTL, off-camera flash (exclusive to canon systems) is using pocket Wizards. I know jack about these but they're supposed to be the nuts.

You can also get studio-type lights (big, powerful mothers) that are semi-portable but either need main connection, or connection to some kind of battery unit. Elinchrom and Bowens seem good makes but expect to pay a lot. There will be people on TP who have much more experience with these than me - I've only used these in a studio environment.

Regardless of what trigger/speedlight set-up you go for, most people invest in all sorts of extra accessories to shape the light, like softboxes (FITP sells these from time to time), gels, dishes and snoots. I'd probably stick with bare flash or get one or two softboxes to at least be able to 'change' the light, so to speak.

You'll need stands to mount lights. I use Konig ball-head tripods because I work outdoors and need tough, rugged stands. I use a Nikon AS-19 foot to mount the flashes onto the tripod. You can get 'fake version that are slightly cheaper if you want. Many prople use ordinary light stands, which are fine unless it's dead windy - Konig make these also, check amazon for prices.

Main thing about tripods is they may be sturdy but they aren't that tall, which is why people look at stands as a better option. I just like tripods :)

As for inspiration and ideas, have a look at the strobist blogspot and flickr groups - lots of info on there, although the flickr group is littered with ****s who think they're it. Some people upload lighting set-ups like these (these are some of mine), which can help to understand how people get shots... there might be a car group on there if you search or ask the question in a thread.

Hope this helps :)
 
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thanks for your speedy reply and help..

its a minefield of what to get but im sure lighting opens up another world. i currently do a lot of deliberating with light etc what side, orange streetlights blar blarr.. so it will be like learning all over again.

Thanks for the feedback on the photos / flickr :thumbs:

im going to have a browse ebay and that user who you recommended.

Thanks for your help ;D
 
also, have you any ebay links etc ?

maybe start with some cheaper stuff and then upgrade like i did with my camera ;D

what is it that they use in those photos ?
 
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search for yongnuo (think that's the spelling) on the bay and you'll find loads of stuff.

In those shots (the car ones) it looks like two Canon flashes and some ebay triggers... pretty basic really. You don't even need canon flashes - read the 101 section on strobist blogspot to get a better handle on things :)
 
thanks for your help , its greatly appreciated!

so basically to get me going,

im looking at :

2 speedlight
2 tripods/stand
2 recievers
1 transmitter ?
 
essentially that's what you need rich yep.

However, be aware that you're going to pushing the speedlites to their absolute max in a lot of cases for car photography. But what has been suggested would be a good start.
 
Just thought I'd say that some of your images on Flickr are truly brilliant... Welcome to TP btw.

On PistonHeads.com they are organising shoots with supercars, teaching you how to light cars for a nice final image - Here is where some of the images taken from regular Joes like us starts http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=109&t=828292&mid=0&i=240&nmt=PH%20Studio%20Shoot....Updated&mid=0

I'm booked into one on the 21st Aug, see if there are some free...


thankyou very much for the feedback.

i love doing night shoot on cars, i find them more dramatic and makes the cars look ' harder ' if you know what i mean.

in terms of portability etc i think they are my best option ?

does anybody know of any packages with the equipment that i have mentioned above ?

Many many thanks for all your help so far !
 
If you are serious and want to invest in proper location lighting have a look at the lencarta Safari.. Lots of light modifyers with the Bowens S-fitting. It is my plan to get one for that purpose..

Nice shots too btw...
 
This is a fantastic thread for me to read and look over. Im in the same as Rich. Im starting to do more car shoots but am a real newbie at it and have no idea on what flash/light set-up to have.
 
Just thought I'd say that some of your images on Flickr are truly brilliant... Welcome to TP btw.

On PistonHeads.com they are organising shoots with supercars, teaching you how to light cars for a nice final image - Here is where some of the images taken from regular Joes like us starts http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=109&t=828292&mid=0&i=240&nmt=PH%20Studio%20Shoot....Updated&mid=0

I'm booked into one on the 21st Aug, see if there are some free...


I'll second this as I did the first one.
 
I hope the OP does`nt mind me intruding. I started a thread on shooting cars on here a couple of days ago but a mod (I assume) for some reason moved int to the `Transport` forum where nobody goes, hence no replies.

Here is what I asked about. Any help would be great.

Thanks

I have been asked to take a friends suped up car in a certain way and have no idea where to start.

He knows of a high point in a scenic area which would give a level horizon behind the car which would mean if you could catch a great sky it would work well.

Another option but also something I know little about would be to take the photos but not worry about the sky and change it in PP. Obviously easier than trying to drop on a decent sky.

He wants the sort of pic where the flash highlights parts of the car and maybe one inside too.

Anyone have any tips or know of any online tutorials etc?

Hope this makes sense.
Thanks in advance.
 
rich your pics are awsome :thumbs: i think i might try a bit of strobing and see what i get and special mans pics were also very helpful to show setup:thumbs:.but ive a bit of a flash problem myself i have a canon 350d and try flash exposure compansation indoors no problem but when i go outside during the day when the sun is out(fill flash)it synchs to a shutter speed of 200 and im also having the same problem with my 430ez on manual and im very tempted to get one of those chinese flash guns if it will realy go manual and just sens the the shuter release and fire the flash with the setting i have set.very good thread everyone very helpful hope you dont mind a bit of a hijack rich and hello everyone:wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave:
 
I believe that there is a feature on photographing and lighting cars in What Digital Camera's October edition.

Paul
 
thanks everybody for the feedback. some dude in a red suit is due on december the 25th so watch this space..lol
 
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