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Hi guys..

Im going to be buying some studio lighting so i can take some studio shots of my daughter and also of my partners friends children etc.

I have approx £250 to spend on lighting what would you guys recommend in regards to what equipment to get? also im unsure on how many watts etc?

Could you advise please?

Thank you.
 
are you planning to take outdoor images? if yes, then you might want to reconsider and get a couple of stobes (flashguns) and some modifiers such as the lastolite ezybox and strobokit.

not trying to put you off studio lights, but flashguns are really versatile and can be have far fewer constraints than studio flash.

hope this helps
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Can someone explain the watts thing to me? what would be the best wattage for shooting portraits?
I don't want to nitpick but it isn't watts, it's watt-seconds.
Watts is an expression of consumed power, for example a 200watt continuous lamp
Watt-second (Ws) is an expression of stored energy, used in flash. Basically a 200Ws flash watts in its capacitors (and discharges it in a flash that takes maybe a 1000th of a second) so, roughly, it produces as much light in say 1/1000th second as a 200 watt lamp produces during a 1 second exposure. It gets confusing because most of the sellers of junk flash don't know the difference and describe their flash heads as 200 watts etc.

Even using the correct term, Ws, doesn't help all that much because some flash heads produce more actual power than others, but as a guide...

The Lencarta SmartFlash 200 has a guide number of 100 (ft). That's with the camera set to just 100 ISO, but modern DSLR cameras can produce good results at much higher ISO settings than that.

What the guide number means is that when fitted with a standard reflector, simply divide the distance in feet into the guide number, and the answer is the lens aperture that will give an acceptable exposure. So, if the distance from the flash to the subject is 9' you get a lens aperture of f/11 - which is enough power for most people, most of the time - and you can effectively double the power just by doubling the ISO setting to 200.

You can see from this that you don't need a lot of power for home studio photography, and certainly not for portrait photography.

If you're shooting outdoors in sunlight and you want the flash to be more powerful than the sun, then it's very different and you need a lot more power.
 
No garry thank you for nitpicking! Its the only way that i will learn! :-)

So to confirm i wont need much power for home portraits etc.

What would be your opinion for example on this? Is it decent and worth buying or would i buy it and wish i had bought something else? http://www.jessops.com/online.store/products/74367/show.html

thank you for your explanation and your help. Its much appriciated.
 
Quantuum units, for around 72 quid each for a 200Ws head you can't go far wrong here, they also come with a reflectors

http://www.foto-tip.pl/sklep/product_info.php?products_id=1415&language=en

This 300Ws portable unit is also a great bang for your buck @ around 205 pound
http://www.foto-tip.pl/sklep/mobile_studio_flash_quantuum_r__dual_power_with_battery_pack-p-1409.html

I looked for the best lighting system for my budget in all but the big name brands, I found these perfect for me.

They are in Poland but speak English and customer service up to now has been excellent, my order will be here on Thur.
 
No garry thank you for nitpicking! Its the only way that i will learn! :-)

So to confirm i wont need much power for home portraits etc.

What would be your opinion for example on this? Is it decent and worth buying or would i buy it and wish i had bought something else? http://www.jessops.com/online.store/products/74367/show.html

thank you for your explanation and your help. Its much appriciated.
I'm involved with Lencarta so I'm not going to comment on other brands - there are probably a lot of other members here who can comment on them from their own experience.
 
PerfectSpeed said:
Quantuum units, for around 72 quid each for a 200Ws head you can't go far wrong here, they also come with a reflectors

http://www.foto-tip.pl/sklep/product_info.php?products_id=1415&language=en

This 300Ws portable unit is also a great bang for your buck @ around 205 pound
http://www.foto-tip.pl/sklep/mobile_studio_flash_quantuum_r__dual_power_with_battery_pack-p-1409.html

I looked for the best lighting system for my budget in all but the big name brands, I found these perfect for me.

They are in Poland but speak English and customer service up to now has been excellent, my order will be here on Thur.

Interested to hear anyone else's thoughts on these.

Dean
 
Short answer: if you just want to take good quality basic home portaits, for your budget get a twin head Lencarta Smartflash outfit with a couple of brollies and a reflector.

If you then want to do a bit more, add one of their better lights and maybe one or two of their nice ProFold softboxes and other modifiers etc, as and when, background system and so on.

Lencarta's new digital heads look nice and have a few more handy features. Also check out Elinchrom D-Lites :thumbs:
 

Yes, that's a fairly good explanation, although it has various faults. In no particular order:
1. He doesn't explain the relationship between the various f/numbers, for example that f/32 is twice the power of f/22
2. The measurement needs to be taken from the flash tube, not from the front of the reflector
3. It makes absolutely no difference whether a flash head has analogue or digital controls
4. He totally fails to mention that effective power can be increased by increasing the ISO setting on the camera
5. He hardly mentions that changing the light to subject distance effects the quality of the light, and doesn't mention at all that the fall off of light from front to back of the subject is also affected by the distance.

Other than that, and his accent:)...
 
Yes, I didn't get the digital control bit but it wasn't a bad demo and always nice to see the practical demos even they they weren't fully explained. One thing he missed was that most of the power lost by the big battery powered Profoto jobbie was in the 2m cable from the battery to the head. That's where most of it has gone. The other thing he didn't mention was flash durations and my own tests prove that shorter durations lose quite a bit of power Ws for Ws.

His accent could have been worse Garry, like Yorkshire, but my main complaint is about Profoto. The more I see their stuff, the more I want it. The performance is peerless IMHO, and that's even before you get to use it. Really nice controls, top build quality, and extra features like the Air remote system :thumbs: And not as expensive as some.
 
Yes, resistive losses weren't mentioned.
Actually, from memory, the nonsense about 'effective watt-seconds' derives from assumptions about resistive losses... In reality manufacturers should use cables that can take the strain. Lencarta does:)

I'll ignore the bit about the Yorkshire accent - as you know I don't have one - and the real Yorkshire accent seems quite attractive to me. What I personally find difficult is the 'rough' accent in cities.

If you really want to be critical take a look at my own efforts on flash power, written with no accent at all:)
 
Yes, resistive losses weren't mentioned.
Actually, from memory, the nonsense about 'effective watt-seconds' derives from assumptions about resistive losses... In reality manufacturers should use cables that can take the strain. Lencarta does:)

I'll ignore the bit about the Yorkshire accent - as you know I don't have one - and the real Yorkshire accent seems quite attractive to me. What I personally find difficult is the 'rough' accent in cities.

If you really want to be critical take a look at my own efforts on flash power, written with no accent at all:)

Nice try Garry :) But guide numbers are as prone to error as anything else. Hot-shoe guns?! And what is a standard reflector? They vary a lot, as I think you have pointed out before.

There is no perfect method, and it seems very little incentive for manufacturers to try and be more honest and helpful. F/number in a regular 100cm softbox would seem to me to be a) most relevant, and b) less prone to variables than current methods. The industry could easily adopt a 'standard' softbox like that. Heck, even a standard white 100cm brolly would be better than what we currently have.

But at the end of the day Ws seems to be at least as good as anything else, and everyone uses it anyway. FWIW, I think 200Ws is the most useful amount of power for most home studio set-ups. You can usually turn it down enough for f/2.8 at low ISO, and at full power with a couple of stops extra ISO it's enough for small groups with sufficient DoF.
 
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I agree. Basically that tutorial tries to explain just how important power is (or isn't) in studio flash photography. I did think about going off at a bit of a tangent and mentioning hotshoe flashguns, but I decided against it
1. Because people tend to lose interest if tutorials are too long
2. I couldn't explain the complicated and misleading testing methods on hotshoe flashguns in just a few words...
F/number in a regular 100cm softbox would seem to me to be a) most relevant, and b) less prone to variables than current methods.
Agreed, but I can't see it happening. As you suggest, not all manufacturers may want their prospective customers to know the truth.
Heck, even a standard white 100cm brolly would be better than what we currently have.
Yes, an umbrella placed at whatever distance is needed to fill it to an agreed point would work perfectly but again, what chance is there of all manufacturers adopting a standard that may reduce their sales?

Ws is a universally misunderstood criteria. I honestly believe that guide numbers, for all their faults, are more meaningful and more easily understood, simply because anyone should be able to replicate whatever figures have been claimed, and so they should be able to tell other people if the figures can't be achieved. Even so, there are still firms claiming guide numbers that are totally false, just as some of the colour temperature consistency figures claimed by some (usually the same) sellers are false - but they tend to get away with it.
FWIW, I think 200Ws is the most useful amount of power for most home studio set-ups. You can usually turn it down enough for f/2.8 at low ISO, and at full power with a couple of stops extra ISO it's enough for small groups with sufficient DoF.
That's exactly how I feel. Frankly I don't see the point of very high powered mono heads, which are pretty much limited to around 1500Ws anyway, they tend to cause more problems than they solve and I'm not even sure that there are any problems to solve.

In my experience the lighting situations that need a lot of power need a lot more than can be realistically engineered into a mono head; industrial photography is the province of mains powered generator units, not mono heads. I've often had to use a 6000Ws and 6 x 2400Ws generators in a large factory and have still been wanting more...

The point that I was really trying to get people thinking about in that tutorial is this one
ISO speed is very important. Years ago when everyone was shooting on film, there was nothing much we could do about ISO speed – we could always change to a ‘faster’ film with a higher ISO speed, but doing this always produced a lot of grain, so we were pretty much limited to films of around 100 ISO.

And we had similar problems with the early digital cameras too. For example the Canon D30, the Nikon D100 and the Kodak DCS14 cameras were all capable of fine results at 100 ISO but the image quality fell apart at higher ISO settings. But now, with modern DSLR cameras, the results are pretty good at reasonably high (but not very high) ISO settings and pretty much every DSLR camera is capable of producing acceptable results at 400 ISO. So, if you move the ISO setting from 100 to 200 ISO you will effectively double the power of your flash head, and if you move it from 100 to 400 ISO you will effectively quadruple the power!
 
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