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Hi guys,

1st post on here so please dont kick to hard:bonk:

I have recently decided to take up photography and have just got myself
a canon 400d, everything seems to be pretty goon on it, but seeing as i'm a complete noob I can't yet tell the difference between this and a normal digi camera (I'm sure it will come in time).

My question is I want to do quite a bit of landscape photography and assume
im going to need a better lens than the stock one that i currently have,but seeing as the camera cost a few hundred and having a little lad (bless him)
ive no idea what lens to get or even if i should just get a tripod 1st/

can anyone of you fine chaps advise me a little?

I've a budget of 100 to 150 max

I know I'm not going to get a great one for that (ive seen lens at stupid coin)
but I think you'll all know alot more than me :lol::lol:
many thanks it's appreciated


Dj Flame
 
I know nothing about Canon kit, but Welcome to TP.
 
the stock lens is fine to use for landscapes. you will not get another lens for that money. Just practise get your comostion and techniques sorted.

If you are treating it like a p&s those are the kind of images you will get.
 
A tripod is indeed a good investment. For landscape with the kit lens you'll probably be aiming to use f/8 - f/11. If you find the shutterspeed to be longer than (say) 1/50 of a second, then definitely consider a tripod.
 
A tripod and a remote is a good way to start. The tripod holds the camera perfectly still and the remote fires the shutter without touching the camera. Even pushing the shutter release button can jog the camera so it's a must to use a remote (or a timer) when using a long exposure (for sun sets and so on).

Ideally you'd want a wide angle lens like a Sigma 10-20mm (£280+ 2nd hand) or a Canon 10-22mm (£450+ 2nd hand) but those aren't a must at the moment.
 
:welcome: to TP :wave:

I think I'd be tempted to get a decent tripod first, something like a Manfrotto 190ProxB. That, plus a decent head will probably take up around £100-120 of your budget. Then, once you have a better idea of what you need from a lens you can start planning your next purchase :)
 
Welcome to TP, DJ Flame.

I'd say keep your money in your pocket for the time being. Your general rule should be that you don't buy stuff until you can see that your existing gear is holding you back (and how/why). Then you'll know what you need to buy. But otherwise, keeping little mouths fed and little feet shod is probably a better priority!

As others have said, the kit lens that comes with your camera is OK for landscapes. If you shoot at around f/8 to f/11 it's decently sharp. You won't get anything significantly better within your budget.

I wouldn't rush out to buy a tripod yet, either. Do some reading (Google is your friend, as is the TP search facililty) about good camera holding technique, and about camera shake and shutter speeds. You should be able to get steady pictures in decent and not-so-decent light without a tripod. But if and when you find that what you're shooting needs a tripod, then you'll know it will be a good buy.
 
Welcome in mate. You here from wellys gaff?

As above really. Tripod is a good buy and look at a fifty mm, gives nice results for little outlay.
 
Assuming your kit lens is the 17-55 lens, then this will probably be a good start for landscapes (some of the kits are 90-300 lenses which would be a bit of a struggle)

Recently I hired a 10-22 from lensesforhire, I found that I had to change the way I was taking pictures with it to get good landscapes. If you are going to go somewhere for a week say, where there are going to be some stunning landscape oportunities, then I recommend trying the lens by hiring from them. Be warned though, should you end up liking the lens, it is currently out of your budget to purchase.

A cheapy kinda tripod would be the next best thing, (I would go cheap until you know you want to spend long hours out in the cold getting the shots :-) ). It needn't cost a lot (I got mine last Christmas for £10, but make sure it can take the weight [not that the 400d and 17-55 is that heavy, but a lot of mini-tripods say they can but can't]). I found with my 400d, that at iso greater than 400, I would get noise that /I/ felt spoilt the shot. Recently, I took some nice landscape shots at 30s, and an added benefit was that the people who were in the way disappeared completely.

If you would like to improve portrait photos of your little lad, then the 'nifty fifty' a 50mm 1.8 aperture lens will be a nice addition. It is somewhere around £70+ (you might find some people on here selling it, I think there was an add in the for-sale bit?). It ain't gonna be a great addition for landscape (I took a couple of 'architectural' type shots with it). The thing about this lens, is that it can give a nice shallow depth of field at the 1.8 aperture.
 
I've had my 400D for about half a year now and the past month I've been doing some landscape shots, and the stock lens believe it or not is fine for it. You're never going to get magazine shots with it but it does the job on the low range shots.

If you can't tell the difference between the 400D and a point and shoot digital camera then, I hope this doesn't sound patronising, but you're doing it wrong. Take it off the auto settings! Learn what all of the functions do (this forum and your manual are your best friends in those respects) and experiment around in manual mode (the M on the dial). If you don't see a difference then, well, I don't know what to say. :thinking:

Tripod and a remote were my first purchases. Maybe you should look at some filters for a different taste and a lens hood if you're looking to do some sunrises/sunsets. I don't think you need a new lens at all, even though the stock one isn't great, until you have had your 400D a while and you understand what you want and why you want it etc.

But having said that, the Canon nifty fifty (50mm f/1.8) would be a great cheap lens for you to experiment with, but it wouldn't work for landscape at all (at least in the general scheme of things). You never know, just get out there and shoot, shoot, shoot. :clap:
 
Thanks for the response's, and the welcome it is much appreciated.
I have in the last few days started gettnig off the Auto settnigs on the camera. However, as I'm new to photography i'm not fully compis mentis
in all aspects of iso speed/f stops etc.:thinking::cuckoo:

I'm off to the caravan next week so will post some shots.:D

I've still not got any additional kit and going off the recommendations from your good selfs I can't see me doing of a bit yet.:thumbs:

Oh and hello Bertroot :wave:it is I off welly's gaff... thanks for the heads up on this site... this place is great for a beginner, and everyone seems helpful:clap::clap:
 
I would agree with Stewart. Don't rush out and buy a tripod. Without doing a lot of research you are more likely to buy a 'dog'.

The kit lens has image stabilisation. Works a treat hand held.

John
 
IMO you should buy almost nothing - maybe spend £20 on a couple of photography books but leave it at that. Understanding Exposure is quite well written and comes recommended.

Just use your camera in P, AV & TV modes. Learn what those modes are for and how you can use them to your benefit. Learn about exposure compensation and white balance.

That is gear knowledge on the right road. Your harder part is start learning about composition. If you see something you want to take a photograph of then don;t just stand there and take it - have a think about how you want it to come out. Try differetn angles, definitly try and shoot from different levels, eye level is often not as interesting as ground level for example.

Get out and shoot, and watch as a couple of things happen.
1. You become confident you are doing the right thing and begin to understand the effect you changing settings has on the image
2. You start to develop interest in specific subjects and a style of shooting them

THEN look to see if you need any equipment to further your photography.
 
The kit lens has image stabilisation. Works a treat hand held.

John

I'm not sure it does on the 400D - I think that was the last model to feature the non IS kit lens.
 
learn your camera and see what you use and need then buy kit, allways try to buy kit with a specific way it will improve your photography
 
I'm not sure it does on the 400D - I think that was the last model to feature the non IS kit lens.

Indeed, the 400D kit lens is non IS. I could never get the exposure right on the 18-55 for some reason, even though the settings were always spot on...
 
I have had the 400d for around 2 and a half years now. I reckon around 80% of the photos I take at the moment are on Av mode, or Tv mode. There is nothing wrong with that. I find it difficult to view the metering bar on my camera.

/If/ you are using one of the preset modes, like sport, or portrait, try moving to one of these modes (Av was easiest for me, some people might prefer Tv or P). These are still automatic modes, except that you control two (well three) of the variables (in most of them, this is exposure, and Av = apertures, Tv = shutter speed, [+ISO speed] ). Almost all of your shots (well, the same proportion) will remain usable, and will teach you a little more about how the shutter speed, aperture, ISO and depth-of-field interact. Also, try and play around with the exposure setting a bit as well.

However, if you had a decent point and shoot in the past, it quite possibly had these modes as well, in which case, if you only have one lens, then there is no real difference.

The difference would be here, is in the way the photo is taken. On most point and shoots, there is either 'live view' in which case the sensor reports to the LCD screen what it can see, you look at this and decide when to press the shutter. Or (bad grammar) there is a separate view-finder. This is where the SLR comes in. It stands for Single Lens Reflex (or something similar), it basically meanst that the light you look at through the view-finder, (as the 400d doesn't have live view), is the same as that which will be presented to the sensor (ok, well, quantum theory would state that the quanta of light which have already been observed by your eye no longer exist but, ignore that). When you press the shutter release, the mirror which enabled the light to be reflected into the view-finder, moves up and out of the way, allowing the light to fall onto the sensor instead. (Ok, there is also a shutter curtain that moves out of the way, and one which moves back into the way, ensuring that a band of light, the length equal to that of the time you have selected, is presented evenly to the sensor).

Ignoring the waffle above, the main difference between a good point and shoot, and an SLR camera, is that the light waves which are entering the lens aimed at the sensor, are those that are bent and made visible to your eye. (ok, well on the 400d, you see 95% of what the sensor sees).

This means that the perspective, and the framing of what you see through the view-finder is exactly (well almost on the 400d) what the sensor will see. If it isn't viewable, then the sensor won't see it. If it is viewable, then the sensor will definitely see it. On a point-and-shoot, this may not be the case.

The other (and I suspect more obvious) difference, is that you can spend an awful lot of money buying add-ons for an SLR camera.

I have taken many landscape style shots that /I personally/ was happy with at the time. Quite frankly that is all that you need to worry about to begin with, (unless you are getting paid for them, or are into one-up-manship). I was happy with the local landscapes I took, hand-held with the 17-55mm non-IS kit lens that came with my 400d. Personally, for my landscapes I invested in a polarizer to change the way that the light falls upon the sensor, but that is a nicety which should perhaps not be at the top of your priorities unless you think it will effect the type of landscapes you are after.

I would have said don't worry about rushing into things, but you do have an ankle-biter, and they do have this tendancy of growing, so perhaps a bit of practice of portraits whilst it is still short and unable to crawl away too fast wouldn't go amiss. I don't have one myself, but apparently they are cuter when they are younger.

If you are taking portraits, then perhaps a tripod wouldn't be so bad for that either. One thing that I have found very useful, and only bought recently, was an el-cheapo infra-red remote from ebay (the real Canon one is just as good), which has a 2 second delay. You press the 2S button, the light on the front of the camera starts flashing, and you have 2 seconds to get into position. (this is also good for longer exposure landscapes, it means that the camera has stopped shaking by the time the shutter moves)
 
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