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I've just been forwarded this link on Facebook. Its a very quick and simple way to email your MP in support of gay marriage legislation.

Without getting into the equality debate, it seems like a no-brainer to me. Anyone shooting weddings can see that this could lead to a much larger gay wedding market. Who possibly wouldn't want that?

It takes less than a minute to do.

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Mike_c said:
Without getting into the equality debate, it seems like a no-brainer to me. Anyone shooting weddings can see that this could lead to a much larger gay wedding market. Who possibly wouldn't want that?
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If that's an argument for supporting gay marriage, then it's an extremely crass and rather distasteful one.
 
There is nothing crass or distasteful about it. Its simple business logic to support and aid an already growing market sector.

As it happens, I'm gay myself and do agree with the balancing of equality. That said, I'd support pet marriages and tree portraits too. If it could create extra business, why not?
 
Mike_c said:
There is nothing crass or distasteful about it. Its simple business logic to support and aid an already growing market sector.

As it happens, I'm gay myself and do agree with the balancing of equality. That said, I'd support pet marriages and tree portraits too. If it could create extra business, why not?
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This.

Well overdue legislation and anything that puts more work out there can only be a good thing.
 
Jesus protested: "How dare you turn my Father's house into a market." The court of Gentiles was full of cattle and sheep pens, cages of doves and the tables of the money changers and the Wedding togs ;)
 
As someone who would be taking advantage of the legislation the last person I would want at my wedding is...?? Rampant capitalism without a thought for the many of us who are denied what you have!
 
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I dont know that the market is that big. Some gay people have said they would get married, some say they wouldnt, and to be honest, you will probably pockets of gay weddings - in rural Cambridgeshire (along with many places) weddings tend to be your normal (and I use that word not to antagonise, but as I would to say its normal to have 2 legs, or normal to be right handed) male/female Christian affairs. If you were to setup for Asian weddings for example, somewhere like Newmarket would not be the best choice! Maybe there will be a few extra enquiries, but I dont really think we should be awaiting a stampede.
 
Why don't we just call it marriage? No need for any other description.


Steve.
 
Sorry but I will not be doing this

Also is it not against the forum rules to solicit members in this way?
 
Hmm :thinking:

The OP clearly stated "Without getting into the equality debate" and was just highlighting an avenue to help maximise business.

He's only pointed it out - Legislation and personal ethics is therefore not the issue here.

Whether or not people want to take advantage of the market is their own personal choice.
 
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Surrey Weddings said:
not sure the gay wedding market is for you if it is just about the pound sighns in front of your eyes....
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But making money from "traditional" or non-same sex marriages if fine, right? Hypocrisy much?

The wedding industry in the UK is worth billions, regardless of your sexual orientation. There will just be more couples going forward who need photographers, DJ's and flowers etc.

It's good news for a lot of people. Most of all, same sex couples! :)
 
iamchrisphoto said:
But making money from "traditional" or non-same sex marriages if fine, right? Hypocrisy much?

The wedding industry in the UK is worth billions, regardless of your sexual orientation. There will just be more couples going forward who need photographers, DJ's and flowers etc.

It's good news for a lot of people. Most of all, same sex couples! :)
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There won't be more couples though all this legislation changes is that same sex couples will be able to call it being married instead of being in a civil partnership. These are currently just another aspect of the bloated wedding industry and will remain so.
 
No point in me e-mailing our MP on this issue. Pretty sure Ben Bradshaw is in favour of it anyway!
 
iamchrisphoto said:
But making money from "traditional" or non-same sex marriages if fine, right? Hypocrisy much?

The wedding industry in the UK is worth billions, regardless of your sexual orientation. There will just be more couples going forward who need photographers, DJ's and flowers etc.

It's good news for a lot of people. Most of all, same sex couples! :)
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It wont be, lets say 10,000 gay couples had a civil partnership last year, this year it may be only 5000 having a civil and 5000 having a wedding, although there may be a few who would not have had a civil but now have a wedding.
 
I'd query "it's a matter of personal choice to shoot a gay wedding" - I suggest that if it were (let's be polite) "outside your comfort zone", and you refused to do one, you'd probably get clobbered by some legislation or another for "discrimination".
I'm personally not in favour of church weddings for gay people, I believe that marriage is by definition between a man and a woman - if people want a civil partnership, fine.....
 
Organnyx said:
I'd query "it's a matter of personal choice to shoot a gay wedding" - I suggest that if it were (let's be polite) "outside your comfort zone", and you refused to do one, you'd probably get clobbered by some legislation or another for "discrimination".
I'm personally not in favour of church weddings for gay people, I believe that marriage is by definition between a man and a woman - if people want a civil partnership, fine.....
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Well you wouldn't say you won't do it you just say your booked on the day in question.
 
hmmm, well I wasn't sure about whether legislation was needed tbh, but then I imagined never, ever going to my gay niece's wedding. Her sister got married, why not her too?

Two people in love, not hurting anyone, not hurting 'you' (well, perhaps upsetting your 'sensibilities')

too much hate in this world, why stifle love?




My opinion about marriage is squiffy anyway - you should be able to enter into a legal agreement to protect your property, assets etc, especially in the event of death (where, strangely enough being in a civil partnership, or living with someone, does not count when it comes to probate) without having to have a wedding, without even having to have a registrar or witnesses. All you should need is a lawyer (or even a do-it-yourself web form). You can divorce that way, so why not marry that way?

signed 'cynical of Basingstoke' :p
 
What the bill does as it stands is discriminate against heterosexual couples who will not be able to enter into a Civil Partnership, an option still available to homosexual couples.
 
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Amazing progress today with an overwhelming vote of 400 to 175. Alarmingly 139 of those vote are said to have been from the Conservatives. Regardless, what fantastic news!

(I'm heterosexual, if it's of any relevance.)
 
Sorry but I don't see it as "Amazing progress" it is just another bill that still doesn't put gay & heterosexual couples on equal footing.

I still feel its a shame that heterosexual couples can not undergo a civil partnership.
 
I fully and absolutely support equality in law of homosexual and heterosexual couples.

I wonder if the church will seriously re-evaluate its definition of marriage in order to keep up with society.
 
I think people should marry who they want, everyone has the right to be happy. The only people who oppose are people with out dated attitudes and people who bring religion in it. Not everyone believes in the same religions that you do, and if these gay/lesbians get married, they aren't going to move into your house and parade it in front of you. Theres too much hate and people who want to stick their nose into your business these days, & I hate that they always try to stop these things because of religion. They would not like it if we turned up on their door with a book of science and evolution so they should stop preaching how people should live their lives.

Sorry if this isn't in tone with the topic, but things like this really bother me
 
munch said:
Sorry but I don't see it as "Amazing progress" it is just another bill that still doesn't put gay & heterosexual couples on equal footing.

I still feel its a shame that heterosexual couples can not undergo a civil partnership.
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well, with a bit of luck civil partnerships will become an irrelevance that can actually be done away with, and everyone can just get married
 
munch said:
Sorry but I don't see it as "Amazing progress" it is just another bill that still doesn't put gay & heterosexual couples on equal footing.

I still feel its a shame that heterosexual couples can not undergo a civil partnership.
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You know, I've never looked at it that way, but yes....why can't a heterosexual couple decide to have a civil partnership ( with the legal advantages it brings) instead of a marriage?
 
right, i probably should know this, but I don't... Obviously I could google it or look on BBC but cannot be bothered.

At the moment CP of same sex couples is OK. I assume this is akin to when we got married in a registry office. Fully official and legal but minus the religious bits.

"Gay marriage" or call it what you want, is the other way round. Same sex, church do?

If so I don't see the problem, however having no religious leanings in any way whatsoever, I assume somewhere in the Bible it says, "If though doth be gay, you cannot marry in a chuch" - paraphrasing a bit.

What "the church" needs to do is move with the times a bit and adapt to change... Lot's of other "industries" have done so, otherwise we'd all be driving Model T Fords (in black)
 
Lynton said:
"Gay marriage" or call it what you want, is the other way round. Same sex, church do?
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No. Nothing to do with the church. It's a legal thing.

Churches do not have to carry out the ceremonies if they don't want to. It's just legislation to allow same sex couples to have the same ceremonies and the same rights.


Steve.
 
archamedes said:
I think people should marry who they want, everyone has the right to be happy.
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I am sure many people would argue that getting married ensures you are not happy!!! :p

Maybe it would have been kinder to defeat the bill!
 
Lynton said:
right, i probably should know this, but I don't... Obviously I could google it or look on BBC but cannot be bothered.

At the moment CP of same sex couples is OK. I assume this is akin to when we got married in a registry office. Fully official and legal but minus the religious bits.

"Gay marriage" or call it what you want, is the other way round. Same sex, church do?
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Civil partnership grants broadly the same rights and responsibilities as marriage. It is not the same as a registry office marriage as it is not marriage, it is a civil partnership. The important bit is what it is called.

When this Bill becomes law, the sexes of the people getting married in said registry office won't matter, it will be a marriage, not a civil partnership.

The church is an irrelevance here, the important bit is the ability for two people of the same sex to be married.

One other thing this Bill will do is to stop the requirement for those wishing to change their sex to divorce an existing spouse before registering the change with the state, because at present two people of the same sex cannot be married. I know a post-op M to F TS that as far as the state is concerned is still male, so she can remain married to her wife. It is absurd that she has to do this, sooner this Bill receives Royal Assent the better.
 
**Mod hat**
Just be a little careful about the "religion and politics" guys :thumbs:

Steve Smith said:
No. Nothing to do with the church. It's a legal thing.

Churches do not have to carry out the ceremonies if they don't want to. It's just legislation to allow same sex couples to have the same ceremonies and the same rights.


Steve.
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**Mod hat off**
But surly if the legislation is passed and the Church still refused to preform the
ceremony / wedding,
surly you guys and gals are no better off?
I can't see the church budging on this, even if the Goverment says Yay?
Just my thoughts as a straight guy that believes in "live and let live" :thumbs:
 
Cobra said:
But surly if the legislation is past and the Church still refused to preform the
ceremony / wedding,
surly you guys ad gals are no better off?
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Nope. A gay couple won't have to go anywhere near a church to get married. There are other places they could get married. Churches have sod all say in marriage.
 
archamedes said:
I think people should marry who they want, everyone has the right to be happy.
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I agree, but even post this legislation there will be people over the age of consent that are competent to make the decision to marry but will not be allowed to marry the partner of their choice (list broadly taken from Deuteronomy 27:20,22 and 23 in the King James bible).
 
onomatopoeia said:
I agree, but even post this legislation there will be people over the age of consent that are competent to make the decision to marry but will not be allowed to marry the partner of their choice (list broadly taken from Deuteronomy 27:20,22 and 23 in the King James bible).
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Unless they come from Norfolk of course. There's a special exception for them! :D
 
Great news.


Edging on politics... Brave of Cameron to push the issue despite some of the vile opposition that was shown by some members of his party in the debate today. The right thing to do, and a real step forward.
 
Slimbert said:
Anything goes round these parts.....just ask Mike Lynton!!
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as long as its consensual... and keeps within the "mammalian order..." :thumbs:
 
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