last nail in his coffin

Ok; so you think I'm a troll - these are the views of a very eminent pathologist who has recently retired; have the decency to explain the difference in his views to mine?


Are these views so much different from what I am saying?
R2D2:

Yes. You are Trolling.


This is what Trolls do - they take the evidence that agrees with their view and ignore all the rest. You are trolling and you need to look at wider evidence.

Maybe try accessing the internet from a clean machine, not one that has cookies set to just give you what you want to hear. You do know that when you use a search engine, or Facebook, it gives you what you are looking for, not what is out there?
 
R2D2:

Yes. You are Trolling.


This is what Trolls do - they take the evidence that agrees with their view and ignore all the rest. You are trolling and you need to look at wider evidence.

Maybe try accessing the internet from a clean machine, not one that has cookies set to just give you what you want to hear. You do know that when you use a search engine, or Facebook, it gives you what you are looking for, not what is out there?


So, another post where you won't discuss the views of a very highly qualified Professor?

I take it you think the proffesor is also a Troll?

I think the bold highlighted text of my last post summs up your reaction; you actually refuse to discuss anything that doesn't fit in with your own viewpoint and just become rude when a different opinion is offered
 
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My name is Robert, call me Rob, Bob or anything you choose

Last time I did that you gave it all the poor old me bit and summoned the @men
 
So, another post where you won't discuss the views of a very highly qualified Professor?

I take it you think the proffesor is also a Troll?

I think the bold highlighted text of my last post summs up your reaction; you actually refuse to discuss anything that doesn't fit in with your own viewpoint and just become rude when a different opinion is offered

You cannot even understand a simple post - is it wilful or something more fundamental?
 
You cannot even understand a simple post - is it wilful or something more fundamental?


It really is quite simple:

(1) we have a lockdown policy with the current tier system. This is an option to defeat the virus which will never happen. Following this stratergy we will plunge the western world into a hugh recession, be unable to fund any of the public services, create untold missery and mass unemployment.

(2) Abolish the lockdown Policy, let people make their own risk assesments and carry on pretty much as normal allowing the economy to grow again and keep the country in a possition where it can afford to provide for future generations. The death rate for this virus amongs the young fit and healthy is extremely low and presentsvery little risk to them.

The question is the balance between the two options.

I have looked at evidence from both sides; looking at numbers is very emotional and dramatic but has no relevance to risk assesment. It is the percentage figure that matters and Covid has a very low death rate in the young.

What happens if the Coronavirus mutates and the vaccine becomes useless, what happens when the next pandemic hits? Do you really think the Country can survive 'locking down' every few years?
 
What I also am struggling with is the very same people who have continually complained about the 10 years of austerity we have been through are supporting these 'lockdown' policies.

Those years of austerity will look like a pure pleasure cruise compared to what we are about to face in the future if we allow these lockdowns to continue.

The rich won't be troubled in the slightest; they will always be rich. Itis the poorer end of society that will be devastated. There will be no blue collar jobs left, no jobs in the hospitality industry, no public services to give 'the needy' and hand up and no money for any future Govt to assist no matter what side of the house they are on.

The rich will not pay for anything - why would they start and run businesses with punitive tax measures and no chance of making any profitt - the risk of starting businesses will be far too high if they face forced closures every few years.
 
It really is quite simple:

(1) we have a lockdown policy with the current tier system. This is an option to defeat the virus which will never happen. Following this stratergy we will plunge the western world into a hugh recession, be unable to fund any of the public services, create untold missery and mass unemployment.

(2) Abolish the lockdown Policy, let people make their own risk assesments and carry on pretty much as normal allowing the economy to grow again and keep the country in a possition where it can afford to provide for future generations. The death rate for this virus amongs the young fit and healthy is extremely low and presentsvery little risk to them.

The question is the balance between the two options.

I have looked at evidence from both sides; looking at numbers is very emotional and dramatic but has no relevance to risk assesment. It is the percentage figure that matters and Covid has a very low death rate in the young.

What happens if the Coronavirus mutates and the vaccine becomes useless, what happens when the next pandemic hits? Do you really think the Country can survive 'locking down' every few years?

Well Fraser,

It's contagious. So people can't make their own risk assessments, because they're at the mercy of other people. If you have a job you have to go to, and you take precautions not only there, but also outside of work, and so does the person sitting next to you. Then you're probably fairly low risk.

But if the person next to you has the same moronic views as you, then they'll ignore all the rules, ignore social distancing etc. Which they've assessed as being fine. Then come and sit next to you at work, putting you way more at risk than if everyone followed the lockdown rules - and without you being able to make that risk assessment yourself.

Not difficult to understand, but I'm sure you'll still fail to.
 
Not difficult to understand, but I'm sure you'll still fail to.
Well, he at least has some understanding of the new "Like" system: he's given me the first "(n)" I've seen used! :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
 
It really is quite simple:

(1) we have a lockdown policy with the current tier system. This is an option to defeat the virus which will never happen. Following this stratergy we will plunge the western world into a hugh recession, be unable to fund any of the public services, create untold missery and mass unemployment.

(2) Abolish the lockdown Policy, let people make their own risk assesments and carry on pretty much as normal allowing the economy to grow again and keep the country in a possition where it can afford to provide for future generations. The death rate for this virus amongs the young fit and healthy is extremely low and presentsvery little risk to them.

The question is the balance between the two options.

I have looked at evidence from both sides; looking at numbers is very emotional and dramatic but has no relevance to risk assesment. It is the percentage figure that matters and Covid has a very low death rate in the young.

What happens if the Coronavirus mutates and the vaccine becomes useless, what happens when the next pandemic hits? Do you really think the Country can survive 'locking down' every few years?

First Bold: This is why we have drink drive laws that apply to everyone, including you.

Second Bold: You haven't.

Third bold: What if it does? Hmmm? Whataboutery.

Probably best to look at things like:
Why do Pandemics occur?
What preparations should we have for them?
Is it cheaper to throw away old PPE and pretend there's no risk, and then have to spend £Bns when there is a Pandemic, or maybe keep a level of preparedness in the country - maybe PPE stockpiles - maybe a body of clever people that devise plans and scenarios etc.
Do practice, table top exercises, like Cygnus, but actually pay attention to the results...
Take action at the beginning, rather than 2 months later. You may have noticed that it is possible to receive news updates from across the whole world, almost instantly, now!

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Do practice, table top exercises, like Cygnus, but actually pay attention to the results...
It's unfortunate that no-one in the current or previous government, who should have been aware of the outcome of Cygnus, appears to have read the conclusions...
The UK’s preparedness and response, in terms of its plans, policies and capability, is currently not sufficient to cope with the extreme demands of a severe pandemic that will have a nationwide impact across all sectors
 
It's unfortunate that no-one in the current or previous government, who should have been aware of the outcome of Cygnus, appears to have read the conclusions...
I'd like to see R2D2, the irritating, squeaky droid explain that.
 
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As I understand it - this also applies to ALL care homes in the UK.

The vaccine comes in batches of something like 400 dose vials. Now as these have to be kept at Ultra low temps till thawed for the actual giving of the vaccine , it's kind of difficult to see how they are going to be able to get the vaccines to a one of perhaps 60 residents


Pretty sure I've read somewhere that the vaccine only needs super cold storage for relatively long term keeping. Once "on site", it's OK at normal fridge temperatures for a few days.

Scientist who created Covid-19 vaccine 'disappointed' he's not allowed to get it - Mirror Online (near the end)
 
It's unfortunate that no-one in the current or previous government, who should have been aware of the outcome of Cygnus, appears to have read the conclusions...

I'm sure no-one in the current government has the attention span needed to read a report and I also have my doubts about the two previous ones as well.
 
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