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Only £3 per sheet at Peak! Same as for B&W and E6.
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Only £3 per sheet at Peak! Same as for B&W and E6.
My Plan was to "taco" them and do them at home (not sure if they will fit in my tank, but if not then I can just spend £20 on a bigger one I guess). Scanning will be my main issue I think!
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My Plan was to "taco" them and do them at home (not sure if they will fit in my tank, but if not then I can just spend £20 on a bigger one I guess). Scanning will be my main issue I think!
I'd be very wary home developing colour negative film. Developing colour is a much more difficult, precise process than doing black and white (not that I've done either myself
) In terms of scanning, I find that using Vuescan to output a raw negative file and then inverting it in Photoshop using the ColorPerfect plugin gives me good colours (but still lots of dust and scratches 
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My Plan was to "taco" them and do them at home (not sure if they will fit in my tank, but if not then I can just spend £20 on a bigger one I guess). Scanning will be my main issue I think!
Ah, you mastered the dark art of colour developing! I tried taco for a few tbh I think I just added even more scratches. You can fit two or three sheets in the 2x35mm height tanks though it might be worth a look at the Mod54 or Jobo. I ended up going down the jobo route as I was going to go the whole hog and get a machine, then I realised how big they are and opted for manual rollers.
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Cool, I'm not sure what the local guy charges for C41 but his E6 is about £4.50 so I'd only need a few to justify the postage.
Well, I'm not sure if "mastered" is the right word to use
I've only done three rolls so far but I don't reckon it's that much harder than B&W, and in some ways it's easier as I don't have to look at all these charts for different films and developers!The 1L kit cost £16 quid and does at least 12 rolls of film. On other sites I've read that one roll of film is similar in surface area to four sheets of 4x5, so you can do somewhere in the region of 48 sheets of film. Even if my maths is way off and you can only do half that amount, it still works out at around 65p per sheet!
Thanks for the tip about the taco method, I might look into the Mod 54
Need to get a camera first though... Running before I walk and all that I'd be very wary home developing colour negative film. Developing colour is a much more difficult, precise process than doing black and white (not that I've done either myself
I don't think any software will let my V550 scan 4x5
Do Vuescan do a free trial version of their software? Might look into this for my MF stuff. I'm never sure about correcting colours with software as I'm scared that I'll lose the colours that make each film special, such as the muted colours of Portra
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I don't think any software will let my V550 scan 4x5
You can do 54 on a v500 you just need to go it in two parts and stich the files together. Remind me later and I'll write up what I do. It's sub optimal but functional.
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I don't think any software will let my V550 scan 4x5
Try and grab yourself a used Epson 3200 or 2450 (or 4990 if you can stretch a little.) I got a 3200 for the (admittedly lucky) price of 99p on eBay. Scans 4x5 pretty decently, although I am pining for an Epson v850 or Imacon Flextight now. But for a beginner large format photographer it's perfect.
Don't worry about the software correcting the colours. In Vuescan you just turn off all adjustments/settings and set everything to neutral. Ask it to then save the file as a negative tiff and the Photoshop plugin converts it like a charm!
The only time I've said something that I'm 100% sure of on this forum and you prove me wrong lol
:Is it just a case of opening the two scanned files in photoshop and layering them over each other so they line up? Thanks Steve, some instruction would be great. All these reasons not to go LF are slowly disappearing
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Dare I say that if you're really, really certain that you want to have the least possible difference between film and scan you should profile your scanner? (You can profile digital cameras as well - rushes off to wash mouth after blatent swearing ).
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The only time I've said something that I'm 100% sure of on this forum and you prove me wrong lol
Is it just a case of opening the two scanned files in photoshop and layering them over each other so they line up? Thanks Steve, some instruction would be great. All these reasons not to go LF are slowly disappearing
I'll write up better instructions later but basically, you scan it in two parts but don't adjust the settings between the parts then blend them how you like the overlap is enormous if you do it right. I use Microsoft ICE because its fast and free despite my usual misgivings about MS.
The only sort of standards for scanner profiling are only really applicable to transparency film.
So at £3 a sheet it is £60 to get a whole box developed ?
Tetanal kit is £16 and good for two boxes well good if you regard Tetanal as good the Rollei kit costs more but would do four boxes and doesn't have crappy blix.
All the film seems to have gone now , can't think how that happened........
So at £3 a sheet it is £60 to get a whole box developed ?
Tetanal kit is £16 and good for two boxes well good if you regard Tetanal as good the Rollei kit costs more but would do four boxes and doesn't have crappy blix.
All the film seems to have gone now , can't think how that happened........
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You guys are lucky I didn't just buy all 9 boxes. You all owe me dearly 
I'd like to see some of the results using this film, has anyone here shot it in large format before?
I'd like to see some of the results using this film, has anyone here shot it in large format before?You guys are lucky I didn't just buy all 9 boxes. You all owe me dearly
I've never shot 160NS in any format, and I've never used any large format gear before, so for me it's doubly new!
Also I don't believe I said thank you for the heads up on the film, so thank you
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Thanks for the heads up. I'd have just brought the lot if funds allowed I expect, still not overly fussed as I mostly prefer 10x8 and transparency and have 250ish sheets of that on hand in 5x4
At the risk of the naming the named thing (apache referal logs and all) you can have a wonder around Tim Parkins film comparisons to get a feel for it
https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2010/12/a-colour-film-comparison/
https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2011/02/colour-film-comparison-pt-two/
https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2011/06/colour-film-comparison-pt-3/
Wonder how long it will take as such.
I might be able to get to the London meet thingy but if not I haven't been to Kew in ages and seem to recall that is not a million miles from you Nick so could drop it of within a couple of weeks at least.
At the risk of the naming the named thing (apache referal logs and all) you can have a wonder around Tim Parkins film comparisons to get a feel for it
https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2010/12/a-colour-film-comparison/
https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2011/02/colour-film-comparison-pt-two/
https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2011/06/colour-film-comparison-pt-3/
Wonder how long it will take as such.
I might be able to get to the London meet thingy but if not I haven't been to Kew in ages and seem to recall that is not a million miles from you Nick so could drop it of within a couple of weeks at least.
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Thanks for that! Just had a quick look and the 160NS looks alright, although I much prefer Provia and Astia (why can't they bring it back? 30 sheets isn't gonna be enough to last me
)Sadly Fuji's earth logic or economics is not our earth logic.
Personally I have always preferred Velvia 100 and while you can get it in 5x4 I have not been able to get my paws on 10x8 for some years.
For the subjects I like to shoot Porta to me looks to pastel and lets just not mention Ektar 100
Personally I have always preferred Velvia 100 and while you can get it in 5x4 I have not been able to get my paws on 10x8 for some years.
For the subjects I like to shoot Porta to me looks to pastel and lets just not mention Ektar 100
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Probably only if you want to print tremendously big or contact print. 54 is bulky and ungainly I'd hate to try doubling it.
What's the best way to stored developed 5x4 negs? I was assuming there was some sort of Kenro wallet thing to go in folders like with 35mm and 120, but it seems not. Can't find anything online about the storage of developed LF film
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You can get Kenro or clearfile wallets for 54 from Firstcall, but I ended up getting a lifetimes supply and a folder from eBay for about £20.
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Oh, already answered..
No idea what that little hole in the corner of the film is for, but it's darn useful to stick a paper clip through to hang it up
Ahh! My interweb searching skills are obviously lacking today, the Clearfile ones look pretty good, I'll have to get some next time I order something from Firstcall. Cheers
Ahh! My interweb searching skills are obviously lacking today, the Clearfile ones look pretty good, I'll have to get some next time I order something from Firstcall. Cheers
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Not sure which film you're talking about - I assume a Fuji one? I've not used many films, and Acros is the only one I've come across with a hole. I used that in Quickloads and wasn't sure if it was just a Quickload phenomenon. I find it annoying, as I always have a hole to spot out in the image area - it's the worst thing about Acros in my book. I mainly use (holeless) FP4.
The linear dimensions are doubled but the film area is quadrupled in the words of Julia Hills from the court room sketch in Who Dares Wins "well if we are being honest size does matter"
The last four years I have shot about 100 sheets of 10x8 a year but maybe only 20 5x4 I find the resolution from 5x4 disappointing in comparison others needs may vary but I do make large prints on occasion (40")
Everything is heavier and mostly more expensive for 10x8 but it is perfectly possible to use it for landscapes and portraits but you would certainly be advised to try 5x4 first
Oh I see, I thought it was a common thing with all 5x4 films, how odd! Luckily you can crop out the dot without losing much of the frame. The hole makes it much easier to hang the film up, as I'm not sure how else to hang it as there's no real space around the edges to clip anything to it
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I don't know how others manage it, but I use a Paterson film clip and position my "spike hole" in the non-image area. I think the hole in Acros is there to make hanging easier - I just wish it was nearer the edge.
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I use a variety of stainless hangers for developing most hold the film in such a way there is only contact with the edges the ones not to get are the crock clip type that are also used on some dip dunk rigs as these tend to make it much harder to get flat film for scanning.
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I use clothes hangers for baby girls clothes. They've got rubber "teeth" to hold skirts and the like which holds film nicely and fits over my shower rail.
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Bulldog clips that fit over a coat hanger, which in turns hangs wherever I want it to.....usually from the shower rail......a second bulldog clipp is attached to the bottom end of roll film to ensure it hangs vertically.
Any tips on a 10x8 field camera to buy and where to buy it in the UK/EU?
That's a really great idea, I might have to dig out some bulldog clips and try that out!
What's the general opinion of Fomapan 100 in 5x4?
My overall plan is to shoot FP4 (because there's no PanF in 5x4 ) but Fomapan is about a third of the price (£25.96 for 50 sheets of Fomapan 100, or £38.32 for 25 sheets of FP4) so I think it would be really good to practice with, as I can screw up 2/3 of my photos for the same price lol
I've read that the quality control of the film isn't as good as other brands, but looking at photos on Flickr etc the results do look nice.
My overall plan is to shoot FP4 (because there's no PanF in 5x4
) but Fomapan is about a third of the price (£25.96 for 50 sheets of Fomapan 100, or £38.32 for 25 sheets of FP4) so I think it would be really good to practice with, as I can screw up 2/3 of my photos for the same price lolI've read that the quality control of the film isn't as good as other brands, but looking at photos on Flickr etc the results do look nice.
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What's the general opinion of Fomapan 100 in 5x4?
My overall plan is to shoot FP4 (because there's no PanF in 5x4
I've read that the quality control of the film isn't as good as other brands, but looking at photos on Flickr etc the results do look nice.
its fine so long as you get the exposure right. Ive only used the 200 though but the reciprocity times are mental. basically just treble anything the light meter says. So expect lots or 3 or 4 minute exposures.