Lab for push processing C41 - Agfa Vista 200

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Hi,

I have 5/6 rolls of Agfa Vista 200 that I shot at 800, having being told that it pushes quite well. However, I am running into problems finding a lab to process it. They all seem to want to process for box speed and then bump the exposure during scanning. Will this not cause muddy shadows and low contrast due to the neg being underdeveloped?

Does anyone know of any labs that will push process colour film?

A kind TP comrade has offered to do it if I cant find anywhere, but neither of us know what the process looks like for push processing colour film. Does anyone have any ideas? I seem to remember there being a discussion on here about pushing Vista 200 but I can’t seem to find it now.

Matt
 
Peak say on their website that they do push processing for a small fee, but it doesn't say how much. Might be worth giving them a ring or an email and asking?
 
Hi Carl, I asked them but I think that service is only for B&W as they werent keen to do my c41.
 
ntphotoworks.com will, they've got a price list on their site
 
Thanks guys, for reference, NT photo works agreed they would do it (additional 30 secs per stop). Peak imaging said they would push 1.5 stops to get as much as possible in tolerance and do the rest at scanning. Not sure which way to go now!
 
I have experience of dealing with Richard at NT, and he has a proper passion for it, personally thats where I'd sent it
 
From the scans I've seen from them, yeah. I'd recommend having a chat with them about it if you're concerned :)
 
Definitely give the NT photo works guys a call. They were super helpful when I urgently needed a couple of items earlier this year.
 
RaglanSurf said:
TBH I'm not sure you'll notice a huge difference between pushing it at the processing stage and tweaking it at the scanning stage. I ran some Vista through at 1600 a couple of years ago and it was adequate

Nikon F5 Agfa Vista 1600-1 by Nick Watson, on Flickr

Nikon F5 Agfa Vista 1600-5 by Nick Watson, on Flickr

Nikon F5 Agfa Vista 1600-27 by Nick Watson, on Flickr
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Nick, you didn't say how these were processed. I'm guessing shot at 1600, devved as normal, then scanned with compensation at that stage? Scanned by you or the lab? Sorry if I'm being dumb here!
 
ChrisR said:
Nick, you didn't say how these were processed. I'm guessing shot at 1600, devved as normal, then scanned with compensation at that stage? Scanned by you or the lab? Sorry if I'm being dumb here!
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Sorry Chris,

Supposedly pushed by a now defunct Jessops but looking at the negs I don;t think they knew what 'pushing' was. I scanned them using a Nikon 9000, driven by Vuescan (I think) and I rescued what I could using Lightroom. My thoughts on Vista are pretty well known on here and this was really just done as an experiment. Yes you can push Vista, the results are, as I said, adequate. Would I bother doing it again? No, not unless it was a dire emergency or I'd over-ridden the DX coding and accidentally left my camera set to 1600 :banghead:.
 
Thanks for the tips guys and the samples. I will report back once I get them back from the lab.
 
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Do you mean I should or shouldn't bother doing it again?
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Your choice to use colour film at 1600 ISO is to push Vista or just pay what it costs for 1600 colour film and IMO £8 a roll is ridiculous for most filmies.
H'mm leaves me with a problem in low light when I can't use flash and I'm not interested in B\W :eek:
 
Oatcake said:
Hi Carl, I asked them but I think that service is only for B&W as they werent keen to do my c41.
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It doesn't surprise me - pushing C41 doesn't have a particularly marked effect on the results.

Unlike pushing / pulling E6 - where the effect is very very significant indeed.
 
Just wondering if the guideline timings for XP1 when pushed would be any good when applied to other C41 emulsions? Been a (very) long time since I used and souped XP1 but I seem to remember it being extremely pushable, with 1600 ASA looking more like HP5/TRI-X at 400. Mind you, hp5/TRI-X at 1600 and beyond gives lovely big grains!
 
Kurtis Huke said:
Hey, I took three rolls of Agfa Vista Color 200 yesterday, but of three rolls I shot two at different film speeds (400 & 800 iso). Anyway I was thinking of writing on small note saying "Push from 200 iso to 800 iso" and "C-41" or "AP70", then attaching it on film roll cassette? I think my nearest Boots store don't develop the film themselves, they have them delivered to a different place to be pushed within the 9 working days.

Notify me if this a good way or an very unnecessary way of going through this situation and please inform me what I should do really do?

Cheers.
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Probably won't be understood by them I'm sorry to say as pushing isn't something that an ordinary processor will be able to do (the entire process is automated based on the films DXn barcode) and the person running the machine is unlikely to know what it is. I'd also not be too bothered with writing the process on as C41 is exactly the same as Agfa AP70 was (Kodak, Fuji, Agfa and Konica all had their own "version" of the C-41 process, and all of them were interchangeable) and it's highly unlikely they would do any other process anyway as C41 is the only real high street process left.

If you want to push film, can I suggest that you stump up for some proper higher speed film rather than just using Vista and trying to push it. It's really a very old Fuji emulsion (badged as Agfa, as Agfa Photo is just a badge these days) and nowhere near as good as those from today regarding grain, contrast, exposure latitude etc, all of which are worstened by pushing.
 
I'd like to know is high speed film expensive to make or as they don't sell much the unit costs are high..,.and the reason they don't sell much is because of silly prices...catch 22.
 
Kurtis Huke said:
Hey, I took three rolls of Agfa Vista Color 200 yesterday, but of three rolls I shot two at different film speeds (400 & 800 iso). Anyway I was thinking of writing on small note saying "Push from 200 iso to 800 iso" and "C-41" or "AP70", then attaching it on film roll cassette? I think my nearest Boots store don't develop the film themselves, they have them delivered to a different place to be pushed within the 9 working days.

Notify me if this a good way or an very unnecessary way of going through this situation and please inform me what I should do really do?

Cheers.
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If I wanted push processing, I would NOT go to Boots, as Samuel says. Bite the bullet and ask Peak. It'll cost you a couple of quid more per roll, IIRC. That plus Peak's normal charges just might make buying Superia 1600 and using Filmdev slightly cheaper. Worth a try, anyway.
 
You'll probably have better results doing it yourself. Add 30 seconds to the development time for each stop you want to push. I can't remember whether two or three stops is the recommended maximum for C41.
 
Also, I'm fairly sure Portra 400 looks okay shot at 800 without pushing. I remember seeing something along those lines on the UKFilmLab blog...thinking about it...may have been Fuji 400H. Anyway, you get the idea!
 
Hi, filmdev.co.uk developed a few batches of AgfaVista 200 for me and with no extra charge for pushing (800). Scans looked fine to me. I've posted about them before and I think a few of you may have tried them now. They're a friendly bunch. Essentially, wedding photographers who bought themselves some C-41 developing equipment and now offer the dev/scan service to others. They'll typically get the scans to you by wetransfer.com within a couple of working days often. Cheap too. Starts at something like £3/roll for dev and web grade res scan so you can see what you have on the roll etc. Here are a few examples of pushed AgfaVista 200 they have developed for me.

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jjdoyle said:
Hi, filmdev.co.uk developed a few batches of AgfaVista 200 for me and with no extra charge for pushing (800). Scans looked fine to me. I've posted about them before and I think a few of you may have tried them now. They're a friendly bunch. Essentially, wedding photographers who bought themselves some C-41 developing equipment and now offer the dev/scan service to others. They'll typically get the scans to you by wetransfer.com within a couple of working days often. Cheap too. Starts at something like £3/roll for dev and web grade res scan so you can see what you have on the roll etc. Here are a few examples of pushed AgfaVista 200 they have developed for me.

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That's lovely.
 
I'm embarrassed to say that they're still in the loft waiting to be sent off!
 
Oatcake said:
I'm embarrassed to say that they're still in the loft waiting to be sent off!
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Get thee to the loft young Matt.....:D​
 
Oatcake said:
I'm scared of how crap they'll be! Especially given how much it'll cost for me to find out!
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Oatcake said:
A kind TP comrade has offered to do it if I cant find anywhere, but neither of us know what the process looks like for push processing colour film.
Matt
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it's potentially going to cost you nothing if your comrade helps out so what is there to be scared of re cost?

you either want to get them devd or not.....if so, pay for it, if not then accept that the films wil remain in the loft or the bin!

As for not knowing what the process looks like, as already mentioned, extending the c41 developememt time for c41 makes little difference, nonetheless I'd suggest adding about a half minute or so for each stop pushed so an additional minute and half on top of the standard developing time.
 
Given my hit rate they'll probably end up in the bin either way haha and Andy has already helped me out more than enough. He's got enough work developing his own film. I may send a roll off to filmdev and get some cheap scans, if there's nowt good then I'll just bin the negs. I'm a bit intrigued cos I forgot what is actually on them.
 
Hi again, Filmdev are pretty friendly about film with flaws or errors in exposing etc. I can't recall exactly what they told me now but they'll be very fair with you if they develop a roll which turns out not to be worth scanning. They call beforehand anyway to talk through what you want. For anyone using them regularly, they'll work with you to get the 'look' you want in your work, a little like Canadian Film Lab or Richard Photolab do with clients. Or, you can drop them an email from their site and just have a chat first before you decide whether to send them the film. Now I sound like their agent! I'm not but compared the various treatments I'd had in the past from High St labs, they felt like a real find when I first bumped into them. I anticipate using them for C41 work quite a bit.

I hope it works out well for you if you do decide to talk with them and look forward to seeing/hearing about your results.
Cheers
Jonathan
 
FishyFish said:
That's lovely.
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Thanks very much FishyFish – morning sunshine coming through a gap in my garden fence in the summer and backlighting a few leaves for me. It was like that for maybe 20 mins a day for a couple of weeks or so.
 
RaglanSurf said:
TBH I'm not sure you'll notice a huge difference between pushing it at the processing stage and tweaking it at the scanning stage. I ran some Vista through at 1600 a couple of years ago and it was adequate

Nikon F5 Agfa Vista 1600-1 by Nick Watson, on Flickr

Nikon F5 Agfa Vista 1600-5 by Nick Watson, on Flickr

Nikon F5 Agfa Vista 1600-27 by Nick Watson, on Flickr
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I love the colours in these three shots. Amazed that AgfaVista (200 or 400?) went to 1600. I'll try that with one of the rolls I have here sometime soon.
 
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